Attack on Titan - Canon Adjustment and Clarifications

[KLOL506]

Vote count (Staff votes only)-

Agree: 7 - Agnaa, DDM, Nierre, LordTracer, Qawsedf234, Theglassman12, KingTempest,

Disagree: 0

Neutral: 0

Grace is pretty much over since it starts after the creation of the thread and two days have passed since then, this can be applied now, but if you want more staff votes you are more than welcome to wait for them.

@WeeklyBattles Preferably make a Blog post (With a mention that it was accepted in this CRT) or just add in a canon section to the AOT page and explain it accordingly to your CRT with references and all (Don't forget to link the CRT in the edit summary).

 

[Agnaa]

The thing you sent is too vague to be valid. He's the original author sure, but if he changes the anime from the manga then that makes two contradicting cannons.

Yeah, and as the person with ultimate authority to write and authorise new instalments (such as short stories), we consider clear statements indicating that he rewrote parts of the anime he regretted in the manga, as indications that the anime better meets his vision from the manga. And so, when there are contradictions, we'd give the anime primacy, in line with the preferences of the primary person with the authority to update the canon.

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah, and as the person with ultimate authority to write and authorise new instalments (such as short stories), we consider clear statements indicating that he rewrote parts of the anime he regretted in the manga, that indicates that the anime better meets his vision from the manga. And so, when there are contradictions, we'd give the anime primacy, in line with the preferences of the primary person with the authority to update the canon.

That's fair.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Can y'all help out here? Some of these "Appeal to authority" arguments are going wild.

For franchise works, the standard is that the original source material is the primary canon.

However, there's multiple cases where the author gets the ability to retell the story in a new fashion which then becomes the new default canon (Multiple WNs, series like Fairy Tail or Bleach and stuff like director's cuts as prime examples).

Ultimately if the author expresses that the adapted work is the "true" or "clarified" or "superior" version compared to the original, it usually becomes the new canon. This would not be a case of a Logical Fallacy. An Appeal to Authority is defined as the following:

Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. Also see the appeal to false authority .

But an Appel to Authority doesn't work here, because the author is the proprietary owner of the work. He dictates what can and can't use the work and is in control of the canon of the work. An Appel to Authority is like "X must be true because Y said so", which isn't the case here since its the creator clarifying a point.

 

[KLOL506]

For franchise works, the standard is that the original source material is the primary canon.

However, there's multiple cases where the author gets the ability to retell the story in a new fashion which then becomes the new default canon (Multiple WNs, series like Fairy Tail or Bleach and stuff like director's cuts as prime examples).

Ultimately if the author expresses that the adapted work is the "true" or "clarified" or "superior" version compared to the original, it usually becomes the new canon. This would not be a case of a Logical Fallacy. An Appeal to Authority is defined as the following:

But an Appel to Authority doesn't work here, because the author is the proprietary owner of the work. He dictates what can and can't use the work and is in control of the canon of the work. An Appel to Authority is like "X must be true because Y said so", which isn't the case here since its the creator clarifying a point.

Based on everything that you said, what is your conclusion of OP's proposals? Are you in agreement with it, or in disagreement?

 

[KingTempest]

A story isn't a mathematical theory or a well-formulated formula, where contradiction leads to the destruction of the current formation of either. A story is a collection of events that, when specifically discussing a fictional story, is all dependent on how the author directs it. If he initially created a set of events that occur a specific way, and he decides to re-work those events in the future, it's entirely his prerogative as his work isn't dependent on logical consistency, it's dependent on what he writes into it.

Too busy to look at the whole thread but yes this

 

[KLOL506]

Too busy to look at the whole thread but yes this

So, based on all that, ya agree with OP or nah?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Based on everything that you said, what is your conclusion of OP's proposals? Are you in agreement with it, or in disagreement?

Idk I guess it looks fine

 

[KLOL506]

I'll take that as a vote if it's fine with you.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll take that as a vote if it's fine with you.

Yea

 

[KingTempest]

So, based on all that, ya agree with OP or nah?

Lemme Read all of it first
Edit: Yeah

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Ultimately if the author expresses that the adapted work is the "true" or "clarified" or "superior" version compared to the original, it usually becomes the new canon. This would not be a case of a Logical Fallacy. An Appeal to Authority is defined as the following:

The ultimate case is that "Death of the Author;" ends up happening. And it can lead to various results, and may who or what ends up in charge of the new canon may vary. There was a verdict that ended up being an "Everything is canon" or even it "Being up to the fandom/community to decide."

 

[Theglassman12]

Not really seeing the “appeal to authority” argument hold much weight here. Count me for agreeing with the OP.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not really seeing the “appeal to authority” argument hold much weight here. Count me for agreeing with the OP.

Is this the first time we've actually agreed on something?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alright so does anything else need to be done here? Just put the OP scans in a blog?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Alright so does anything else need to be done here? Just put the OP scans in a blog?

Yeah that and link the crt at the end of your blog to show that it was evaluated and accepted and then you can just add the blog to the verse page and all should be good to go

 

[Agnaa]

Alright so does anything else need to be done here? Just put the OP scans in a blog?

I'd put them on the verse page instead tbh. We're open to novel sections for these sorts of things in verse pages, and we've moved most information linked in pages from blogs to mainspace pages (aside from calculations, that is).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'd put them on the verse page instead tbh. We're open to novel sections for these sorts of things in verse pages, and we've moved most information linked in pages from blogs to mainspace pages (aside from calculations, that is).

Mkay

 

[Theglassman12]

@WeeklyBattles maybe, can't remember the last time that happened.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump. Was this applied?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It hasnt been yet no, I just got home from my trip, will do so in a bit

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump. Was this applied?

Applied, this can be closed now

Thank you all for your input!