(GRACE) Adding Pokemon Masters to the canon

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

He's saying he prefers new profiles lol

So weird how you saw "Applying stuff" and thought I meant "Smashing current profiles with a sledgehammer".

 

[Antvasima]

I'll elaborate, since I feel like my opinion can't really be easily summarized as "agree or disagrees".

Proposals I think would be unreasonable: Declaring it entirely non-canon and not using it at all.

Proposals I think would be reasonable: Secondary canon, new keys, new profiles, some combination of the previous three.

Proposal which I personally prefer: New profiles.

This is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Jinx666]

His proposal was for me not to do everything. Initially you said you supported it as secondary canon, so how is it different now?

My proposal is for Masters EX versions of characters to use separate profiles, so that they can then freely integrate with the version of main-game canon they establish Masters EX, instead of stepping on the toes of the mainline profile with Masters EX's many contradictions. But yeah, i also do propose that its not just left to you to decide whats canon and whats not for Masters EX, since its clearly controversial and a team effort.

So effectively yeah, whats now being agreed upon is the making of Masters EX specific profiles when regarding Masters EX events and timeline. Mainline profiles should be unaffected for the most part.

Which is literally a win-win for everyone. You get to make profiles (including ones for protagonists) that base around Masters EX and all the broken scaling interpretations it brings, while the mainline profiles isnt affected by the what-if secondary canon and stand as their own thing, and thus cant be immediately removed or disregarded the second the ongoing Masters EX storyline contradicts.

 

[Jinx666]

I will also say that Masters EX protag profiles would be based on an actual character now, as opposed to a player-insert in the mainline where its you controlling their actions. Thus, we can't say that they have access to every pokemon in their games pokedex (since its an actual interpretation of the character) or composite everything the player can possibly get, and instead we include every Pokemon they are shown to use/reference instead, and what aspects of the mainline they follow.

 

[Ezaru]

This is probably fine to apply then.

I am sorry to OP.

But to me the two mods seem more neutral if anything leaning Jinx666's points, as he is the one who suggested seperate profiles

While the mods see OPs proposal as acceptable, they literally said they prefer Jinx666

Proposals I think would be unreasonable: Declaring it entirely non-canon and not using it at all.
( no one proposed this)

Proposals I think would be reasonable: Secondary canon, new keys, new profiles, some combination of the previous three.
(OP Wants this)

Proposal which I personally prefer: New profiles (Jinx666 wants this)

^I hope thats right?

Maybe paz and jinx can explain better

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So which staff members here have thought what about this revision thread then?

 

[Ezaru]

Okay. So which staff members here have thought what about this revision thread then?

This seems to be the summary they both agreed too

Proposals I think would be unreasonable: Declaring it entirely non-canon and not using it at all.


Proposals I think would be reasonable: Secondary canon, new keys, new profiles, some combination of the previous three.


Proposal which I personally prefer: New profiles

As far as I understand:

OP wants: full canon, I assume with new Keys for Masters versions

Jinx wants: non-canon / seperate profiles

Mods are OK with secondary canon + new keys but prefer seperate profiles

I am just unsure what "new profiles" means, does that mean like "non-canon but canon to itself and offical so it gets a profile but doesnt scale to mainline"?

Like i assume new = seperate?

 

[FinePoint]

I am just unsure what "new profiles" means, does that mean like "non-canon but canon to itself and offical so it gets a profile but doesnt scale to mainline"?

Like i assume new = seperate?

Indeed.

Non-canon to the 'main profile', but still canon to the 'Pokemon franchise' and therefore eligible for their own, separate profiles.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Soooooo we’re back to zero mods agreeing.

 

[Jinx666]

Well i think we reached a compromise personally.

I was never against Masters EX info, but its very clearly not 1:1 with the mainline, and with separate profiles, no one has to worry about secondary canon contradicting the mainline and beiong subjected to immediate scrutiny if we mixed canons. Masters EX versions of characters are also not the player-controlled character, and have their own canon choice of pokemon, personality and storybeats they separately followed to actually document, as opposed to the complex compositing of a JRPG protag.
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Making separate profiles for alternate versions that aren't part of mainline material, is just the standard for most developed verses anyway (such as Dragon Ball).

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Well i think we reached a compromise personally.

I was never against Masters EX info, but its very clearly not 1:1 with the mainline, and with separate profiles, no one has to worry about secondary canon contradicting the mainline and beiong subjected to immediate scrutiny if we mixed canons. Masters EX versions of characters are also not the player-controlled character, and have their own canon choice of pokemon, personality and storybeats they separately followed to actually document, as opposed to the complex compositing of a JRPG protag.
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Making separate profiles for alternate versions that aren't part of mainline material, is just the standard for most developed verses anyway (such as Dragon Ball).

No, we didn't. I had them agreeing to Masters being canon as a whole except (hypothetical) things that would contradict mainline, until you came along and lied that Masters is actually full of so many contradictions that all the characters should actually be separate profiles. You won everything short of Masters just being noncanon again despite lacking any evidence, and I lost almost everything despite all the evidence I provided.

You were VERY against it. Attacking me, my evidence, literal mods and people who are famous for the help they give... You wanted none of Masters touching VSBW until you realized that I was willing and able to make it happen. We wouldn't be mixing canons because Masters would become part of the main canon. Literally Red himself does this already in mainline, that's why we know his canon team and that the protagonist wasn't Leaf. I sincerely hope you're joking here, because Pokemon is a verse full of JRPGs.

We do that for characters that are actually different people. Xeno Goku is from a GT timeline (but not GT Goku) and CC Goku is from a Super timeline (but not Super Goku). Masters characters are literally just the same people but they travelled to an island.

 

[Ezaru]

As as outside observer I think you both made good points and the mods seem at least open to both ideas so probably best to cut the personal attacks and try and lay out the issues for the mods

 

[Jinx666]

No, we didn't. I had them agreeing to Masters being canon as a whole except (hypothetical) things that would contradict mainline, until you came along and lied that Masters is actually full of so many contradictions that all the characters should actually be separate profiles. You won everything short of Masters just being noncanon again despite lacking any evidence, and I lost almost everything despite all the evidence I provided.

They agreed to considering Masters as secondary canon (As people were already awar eof the blatant contradictions and shaky timeline Masters EX brings for the sake of being a crossover gacha game). That means it was never agreed upon that it was integrated alongside mainline, and could instead only be 'canon' as long as it didnt contradict the mainline.

You know as well as i do that there are contradictions, since you tried to retcon SwSh mainline story in order put Masters EX events involving Leon above it. And beyond that, its very clear in the wider Pokemon community as a whole that there are blatant plot holes and contradictions all across Masters EX itself, so this isnt just coming from me.

You were VERY against it. Attacking me, my evidence, literal mods and people who are famous for the help they give... You wanted none of Masters touching VSBW until you realized that I was willing and able to make it happen. We wouldn't be mixing canons because Masters would become part of the main canon. Literally Red himself does this already in mainline, that's why we know his canon team and that the protagonist wasn't Leaf. I sincerely hope you're joking here, because Pokemon is a verse full of JRPGs.

I was against it being used as mainline yes. Although i can respect why people want to use it as secondary canon, and partially use bits of it since its only confirmed 'canon' in character portrayal, it most definitely is nowhere near on par with mainline, and holds too much separation and contradiction imo to lump into trainer profiles for mainline (Which 90% of them still need to be cleaned up anyway before adding the huge content Masters EX brings). I admittedly also was concerned that it would only be you making these edits, where you have historically taken hyperbole statements from Masters EX and tried to spin them in a clearly-wrong interpretation (such as trying to make trainers have equal stamina to their Pokemon based on a non-literal statement from Olivia in Masters EX).

Red is an exception because he appears as an NPC in the active story (and not a placeholder like Hilbert/Hilda were in BW), meanwhile characters like Dawn and Lucas are interchangable depending on player preference. This doesnt mean Masters EX dictates whose the 'canon' protagonist just because a mainline game on higher standing chose Red.

We do that for characters that are actually different people. Xeno Goku is from a GT timeline (but not GT Goku) and CC Goku is from a Super timeline (but not Super Goku). Masters characters are literally just the same people but they travelled to an island.

Well no, cause its not only restricted to being alternate universe versions. You can make profiles for separate continuity, or in large cases, time-skip versions. With Masters EX, its just abundantly clear that although it was written with faithful character portrayal, the events in a crossover gacha game are just too separate and contradictory to be 1:1 canon with the mainline. Like i said before and no matter how many times you want to deny it, you are aware of these, so it is just overall better to make separate profiles where you're allowed to freely scale.

Characters such as Cyrus and Florian who are confirmed to be alternate versions of the character would be eligible for this by your logic anyway. And Cyrus' profile (As well as the rest of the Rocket Leaders) already have composited both their standard appearances and the confirmed-alternate versions from RR in USUM (Since all the bosses are takes on 'what if the evil team won'). Alongside all the anime integration into game profiles, this shows already that Pokemon just hasn't caught up with the concept of making separate profiles. So maybe we should be looking at this as a new start

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

They agreed to considering Masters as secondary canon (As people were already awar eof the blatant contradictions and shaky timeline Masters EX brings for the sake of being a crossover gacha game). That means it was never agreed upon that it was integrated alongside mainline, and could instead only be 'canon' as long as it didnt contradict the mainline.

You know as well as i do that there are contradictions, since you tried to retcon SwSh mainline story in order put Masters EX events involving Leon above it. And beyond that, its very clear in the wider Pokemon community as a whole that there are blatant plot holes and contradictions all across Masters EX itself, so this isnt just coming from me.

That's literally what secondary canon means. Everything is integrated unless it contradicts.

That's why I made Keys for both on the same profile. There's that lying I'm talking about, since you've admitted you haven't played the game.

I was against it being used as mainline yes. Although i can respect why people want to use it as secondary canon, and partially use bits of it since its only confirmed 'canon' in character portrayal, it most definitely is nowhere near on par with mainline, and holds too much separation and contradiction imo to lump into trainer profiles for mainline (Which 90% of them still need to be cleaned up anyway before adding the huge content Masters EX brings). I admittedly also was concerned that it would only be you making these edits, where you have historically taken hyperbole statements from Masters EX and tried to spin them in a clearly-wrong interpretation (such as trying to make trainers have equal stamina to their Pokemon based on a non-literal statement from Olivia in Masters EX).

Red is an exception because he appears as an NPC in the active story (and not a placeholder like Hilbert/Hilda were in BW), meanwhile characters like Dawn and Lucas are interchangable depending on player preference. This doesnt mean Masters EX dictates whose the 'canon' protagonist just because a mainline game on higher standing chose Red.

...Yes, and if it's secondary canon that means it's gonna be in the same canon as mainline. Another outright lie that ignores almost everything about my evidence and original post, as well as fabricating the idea that there are contradictions. Literally nobody said or implied that I would be the only one working on this, that was a strawman argument you brought up earlier. That also isn't even what I said; I said they shouldn't have overwhelmingly lower stamina than their Pokemon, and when you doubled down on trying to get me with that, I said the scan doesn't even say it drains their stamina at the same rate.

Cool, so are Red and Leaf. And it's a good thing Masters agrees with mainline that Red was the protag.

Well no, cause its not only restricted to being alternate universe versions. You can make profiles for separate continuity, or in large cases, time-skip versions. With Masters EX, its just abundantly clear that although it was written with faithful character portrayal, the events in a crossover gacha game are just too separate and contradictory to be 1:1 canon with the mainline. Like i said before and no matter how many times you want to deny it, you are aware of these, so it is just overall better to make separate profiles where you're allowed to freely scale.

Characters such as Cyrus and Florian who are confirmed to be alternate versions of the character would be eligible for this by your logic anyway. And Cyrus' profile (As well as the rest of the Rocket Leaders) already have composited both their standard appearances and the confirmed-alternate versions from RR in USUM (Since all the bosses are takes on 'what if the evil team won'). Alongside all the anime integration into game profiles, this shows already that Pokemon just hasn't caught up with the concept of making separate profiles. So maybe we should be looking at this as a new start

I don't recall saying DBH wasn't a separate continuity. And timeskip profiles are mainly only for profiles that were already massive, like Naruto or Goku or Samus. "Erm I've literally never played the game and you've done immense research on it, therefore you should just admit Masters contradicts itself constantly no matter how many times you tell me it doesn't"

What, so because I won't let you make Game Red and Masters Red be two different profiles despite being the same person, that suddenly means a character explicitly told to you to be from another timeline must also be tacked on to their profile? No, that's a complete Association Fallacy. And I'm not going to let you soapbox about how you think the profiles should be in my CRT.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That's why I made Keys for both on the same profile.

With a note trying to say Sword and Shield's championship with Lean+it's entire DLC isn't canon because Masters contradicts it, mind you.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

With a note trying to say Sword and Shield's championship with Lean+it's entire DLC isn't canon because Masters contradicts it, mind you.

Since apparently people need to be spoonfed and people love to demonize Pokemon fans for existing these days, it was because the Masters thing happened much more recently.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Since apparently people need to be spoonfed and people love to demonize Pokemon fans for existing these days, it was because the Masters thing happened much more recently.

And... what weight does that give again, Sean? There's a reason my suggestion was secondary canon, and it was to make sure things like said note wouldn't fly under any sky we put up.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

And... what weight does that give again, Sean? There's a reason my suggestion was secondary canon, and it was to make sure things like said note wouldn't fly under any sky we put up.

…Like, all of it since it happened before this CRT started?

 

[DaReaperMan]

…Like, all of it since it happened before this CRT started?

No, it'd have lower weight because it's not mainline.

We're not Kingdom Hearts lmfao

 

[Jinx666]

Aight well now that the thread is actually getting somewhere im not gonna keep typing essays but

That's literally what secondary canon means. Everything is integrated unless it contradicts...

Yeah, and Masters EX does that in spade loads. Being secondary canon in general doesnt put you in the same league as Masters EX. Its supplementary and ample to be retconned over if mainline sources contradict it.

...Yes, and if it's secondary canon that means it's gonna be in the same canon as mainline. Another outright lie that ignores ...

Well not necessarily. Secondary canon is supportive canon. You can say the events in secondary are canon, but if they tread over mainline in any way like Masters EX does, then its ample to get disregarded at any time. Separate profiles are the best at preventing this notion from happening.

And i still dont personally believe its canon other than being faithful to character portrayal which is all your evidence has proven. Maybe if Masters EX or Pasio was ever natually referenced in a mainline game (and isnt just a passing fourth-wall break comment, i mean an actual Pasio mention), there would be more weight.

Erm I've literally never played the game and you've done immense research on it, therefore you should just admit Masters contradicts itself constantly no matter how many times you tell me it doesn't"...

Once again, someone doesnt need to play the game to be able to comment on it. Ive been playing Pokemon, i know general Masters EX info and watched some of the events out of interest for the characters, but i also know the crazy fanfiction events that take place in Masters dont align with the canon

What, so because I won't let you make Game Red and Masters Red be two different profiles despite being the same person, that suddenly means a character explicitly told to you to be from another timeline must also be tacked on to their profile?...

Im not trying to make those profiles. Personally i have no interest in making Masters EX profiles (nor should it be a priority), but if Masters EX info must be included, it should be done on separate profiles given the nature of its 'canon' standing in Pokemon.

There are profiles for the 'same person' in separate medias everywhere, thats what disambiguation templates are used for. But no, i think im saying the opposite to this. Profiles for alternate versions of the character (Like Cyrus from D/P/Pt and USUM who are confirmed to be different versions of one another) should be separate since this wiki doesnt composite. Pokemon just hasn't caught up with this way of doing things

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, and Masters EX does that in spade loads. Being secondary canon in general doesnt put you in the same league as Masters EX. Its supplementary and ample to be retconned over if mainline sources contradict it.

Why do you keep lying about Masters to a guy who's literally played the game, constantly? Yes, it literally would, because the thing we're voting for here is to make Masters become secondary canon.

Well not necessarily. Secondary canon is supportive canon. You can say the events in secondary are canon, but if they tread over mainline in any way like Masters EX does, then its ample to get disregarded at any time. Separate profiles are the best at preventing this notion from happening.

And i still dont personally believe its canon other than being faithful to character portrayal which is all your evidence has proven. Maybe if Masters EX or Pasio was ever natually referenced in a mainline game (and isnt just a passing fourth-wall break comment, i mean an actual Pasio mention), there would be more weight.

"Not necessarily" Literally confirms that I am right And no, separate profiles will not prevent hypothetical contradictions from happening in the first place.

You have not read the original post at all. "It all only means character portrayal" is just a downplayed interpretation of a small aspect of one of my scans. Also I literally explain why the latter can't happen in the FAQs.

Once again, someone doesnt need to play the game to be able to comment on it. Ive been playing Pokemon, i know general Masters EX info and watched some of the events out of interest for the characters, but i also know the crazy fanfiction events that take place in Masters dont align with the canon

You are filling the discussion with misinformation. You just look at wacky events happening or stuff with Legendaries showing up and default to that meaning it automatically must be noncanon.

Im not trying to make those profiles. Personally i have no interest in making Masters EX profiles (nor should it be a priority), but if Masters EX info must be included, it should be done on separate profiles given the nature of its 'canon' standing in Pokemon.

There are profiles for the 'same person' in separate medias everywhere, thats what disambiguation templates are used for. But no, i think im saying the opposite to this. Profiles for alternate versions of the character (Like Cyrus from D/P/Pt and USUM who are confirmed to be different versions of one another) should be separate since this wiki doesnt composite. Pokemon just hasn't caught up with this way of doing things

So yes, I was right.

Good thing they're not different versions of the characters, huh?

 

[Jinx666]

Well its on you if you still think im just 'lying' for the sake of it atp. What prompted you to make this thread was everyone in the general discussion telling you not to try and retcon and overwrite mainline with Masters EX in the first place. You should also update the OP if we're voting on making it secondary canon but either way i think we're coming to a conclusion now.

The quote about canon character portrayal is the only point you've made with any weight tbh. And that specifies character portrayal only, it doesnt confirm the events on Paiso have occured canonically (and wouldnt make sense outside of its own isolated timeline). Those are very different, since it outlines that the character is going to be keeping their canon characters, similar to stuff like Dragon Ball movies, but it doesnt necessarily mean the situation they're being thrown into is canon. Its better to separate it so that both profiles can be free of the scrutiny

Well no, cause every mainline game has legendaries popping up and the protag fighting/catching/scaling to them, so not just about it being out of the ordinary. Masters EX however, is an after-the-fact that just throws around these legendaries (giving them, and shiny versions of all things) to even the most random of characters, contradicting the status of these legendaries in mainline for the most part. Thats fine if they're alternate non-canon versions sure, but then that specifies they need separate profiles. This is just easier for both

Well yeah, they are. Rainbow Rocket were all alternate versions Giovanni brought who had won their respective games and obtained the legendary they were after. They're not the same versions, however current profiles have lumped them together despite this. Masters EX also frequently uses Hoopa to do this for other characters, so if your standards are for them to be 'different people', then the wiki already isnt caught up

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

But you are. You're spamming the comments about contradictions that you made up from your head. Not only was I working on finding scans long before that, it was literally just you and the other guy who hates me and downplays all my arguments. Secondary canon (still) isn't what I proposed, and we have yet to come to a conclusion because a third mod still hasn't come and honestly I'm just thinking of asking a mod to close it tbh

No, it's just the only one you feel like addressing. And you're really going all-in on refusing to read anything else, huh? You still can't even explain why it wouldn't make sense, which I explained anyway in the FAQs which you also refuse to read. That's another Association Fallacy by the way, since it has nothing to do with our situation and the movies are canon to GT.

Do you think mainline doesn't do that? Red supposedly caught Mewtwo in FRLG yet it was back for his fight with Ethan, which again showed up later. In fact Ethan also caught Kyogre/Groudon and Rayquaza too only for them to show up in ORAS (or technically vice versa).

Great, so only alternate timeline characters need seperate profiles.

 

[Jinx666]

Secondary canon is what was being accepted in the first place, and what everyone thus far has been voting for. Not mainline canon. You're only wanting to close the thread now because you didnt get an outcome you wanted, which i think is too late anyway.

Ive addressed the other 3 plenty of times, but that one is an actual statement on Masters EX's canon, and it only refers to one aspect of character portrayal. Thats the only leeway. Ive seen your 'FAQs' and why you think why you do, but i still disagree with your interpretations on it nonetheless. I personally think the canon of a 25+ year old franchise with hundreds of different media forms atp shouldnt ride on you loosely interpreting jokes in interviews or websites saying what games debuted the characters (since they've already confirmed faithful canon character interpretation).

Games like ORAS and USUM used Hoopa rings and ultra wormholes to explain why they were there. Which is fine by me. ORAS is also separate from the original R/S/E timeline so its fine to assume it takes place separately from the original gen stuff. The Maxie and Archie in USUM are versions used from the original after all, which was post ORAS, so that just goes to show they're different timelines. Masters EX only explains a handful of this though, and is otherwise trapped in fanfiction land of just making endless gacha crossover units that dont fit with the story. Hence, put them in their own isolated profiles that dont have to worry about these implications

Well not just them, no. Thats what you're saying is your criteria, and ive shown you how thats already not being followed by the wiki. Either way, Masters EX is also hugely contradictory and not mainline canon, so its much better to give it its own profile for their versions of the characters for the many, many reasons ive already explained, so that you dont run into the problem of needing to try and overwrite mainline to compensate for Creation Trio scaling.

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

Idk if theres anything else to say then?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Can a mod close this? I have no desire to continue fighting for this and the mods seem uninterested with giving this a third Agree.

 

[Jinx666]

No ones disinterested, i think we just generally established how we incorporate Masters EX canon

 

[Bobsican]

I'd suggest to summarize the current status of the arguments in favor and against, as well as the exact positions the staff that have commented have currently in a new thread, it's clear this has gotten to the point that no one is going to particularly check this topic without it being served on a dinner plate for accessibility.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Why on Earth would I debase my entire argument by willingly relegating everything to side profiles no one will bother with?

 

[Jinx666]

Why on Earth would I debase my entire argument by willingly relegating everything to side profiles no one will bother with?

I thought this was so that you could actually make profiles unbothered by the canon? Just cause people wont treat Masters Ex as the same canon as mainline doesnt mean they're eligible to composite

Dont you make profiles like Lawnmower and The Mech anyway? Who cares if they're not bothered with

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I thought this was so that you could actually make profiles unbothered by the canon? Just cause people wont treat Masters Ex as the same canon as mainline doesnt mean they're eligible to composite

Dont you make profiles like Lawnmower and The Mech anyway? Who cares if they're not bothered with

Um, what? No, Pokemon Masters has the largest cache of feats out of any Pokemon game, this one completely untapped outside of me. This was made to add Pokemon Masters into the canon.

Yes; smaller profiles I can work on as a pa-Sean project while I'm making bigger ones... though if I were you I would want to avoid playing the "Who's Got The Worst Profiles" game.

 

[Imaginym]

Indeed.

Non-canon to the 'main profile', but still canon to the 'Pokemon franchise' and therefore eligible for their own, separate profiles.

In addition to this, what other staff established positions would be pertinent to a summary?

Be it implementing keys or profiles (Though the quoted stance seems to advocate for the latter.), I believe proceeding with this would be value as it would help to further document the verse, & having it as established profiles could be a valuable resource to have accessible & present, potentially to build upon going forward.

 

[Jinx666]

Um, what? No, Pokemon Masters has the largest cache of feats out of any Pokemon game, this one completely untapped outside of me. This was made to add Pokemon Masters into the canon.

Yeah, and as agreed, its not a direct part of the mainline. So much easier to put it in its separate profile

Just because it gives you a lot of feats and makes Pokemon super strong doesnt mean its eligible to be put on the same profile as mainline

Yes; smaller profiles I can work on as a pa-Sean project while I'm making bigger ones... though if I were you I would want to avoid playing the "Who's Got The Worst Profiles" game.

Not what i was saying, but trying to use a Reuniclus profile from 8 years ago to discredit me isnt anything to go about.

 

[Jinx666]

But yeah, given how other external OP branches of series canon like Xenoverse in DBZ or Fire Emblem Heroes (another example of canon characterisation, but non-canon storylines and events) are popular in scaling, Masters EX for Pokemon will definitely not be disregarded just for being separate profiles (especially when you can get ridiculous scaling).

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, and as agreed, its not a direct part of the mainline. So much easier to put it in its separate profile

Just because it gives you a lot of feats and makes Pokemon super strong doesnt mean its eligible to be put on the same profile as mainline

That's a lie. We all just agreed that it was. Funny how Pokemon discussions always go swimmingly until you show up.

No, that was to counter your lie that I wanted to "work outside the canon" or some shit.

Not what i was saying, but trying to use a Reuniclus profile from 8 years ago to discredit me isnt anything to go about.

I didn't say anything about Reuniclus.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

But yeah, given how other external OP branches of series canon like Xenoverse in DBZ or Fire Emblem Heroes (another example of canon characterisation, but non-canon storylines and events) are popular in scaling, Masters EX for Pokemon will definitely not be disregarded just for being separate profiles (especially when you can get ridiculous scaling).

Nice job trying to devalue and misrepresent my entire argument. It's nothing like Xenoverse or FEH at all, and you know exactly what you're doing by desperately insisting it is.

 

[Jinx666]

I didn't say anything about Reuniclus.

You did...thats the only way you think my profile quality is bad? Using an 8 year old example ( as if pokemon even had good profiles at that point) lol

Just stop trying to detract this to some degenerate argument please. And stop trying to close the thread because you didnt get the outcome you wanted

 

[Imaginym]

I'll elaborate, since I feel like my opinion can't really be easily summarized as "agree or disagrees".

Proposals I think would be unreasonable: Declaring it entirely non-canon and not using it at all.

Proposals I think would be reasonable: Secondary canon, new keys, new profiles, some combination of the previous three.

Proposal which I personally prefer: New profiles.

This is probably fine to apply then.

This looks alright to me.

Are there any other pertinent Staff posts?

Does this not meet the criteria of 3 Staff Approvals?