Possibly High 3-A Range for MCU Sentry/The Void (Edited)

[Naeem0304]

On the JP Marvel/Disney Website (an official source), its stated numerous times that Sentry is the "strongest enemy in history":

The latest trailer has been released! The Sentry, the most powerful enemy in history that surpasses all of the Avengers, attacks!
The Thunderbolts*, a team of extremely eccentric outlaws, rise up!

This film tells the story of the birth of the Thunderbolts, a new team tasked with confronting a global crisis on behalf of the Avengers. With humanity facing the threat of extinction, these eccentric outlaws—who aren't "strongest" or "heroes" with a history of criminal mischief—decide they have no choice but to band together and face the Sentry, the most powerful enemy in history, possessing more power than all of the Avengers combined. While the comical banter between the mismatched Thunderbolts members is heart-pounding, the film also boasts spectacular action scenes on a scale only a Marvel Studios production can deliver, as well as a heartwarming human drama about the team's quest to unite despite their inner darkness. Furthermore, at the end of the story, the members of the Thunderbolts are shockingly announced as the "New Avengers," making this a must-see film ahead of the upcoming theatrical release of Avengers: Doomsday next year.https://disneyplus.disney.co.jp/news/2025/0815_thunderbolts#:~:text=This film tells,Doomsday next year.

Although the Thunderbolts* truly knew that heroes like them were the very definition of justice, for various reasons they had no choice but to turn to villainy and commit crimes.
For them, who had a past that could not be changed, the existence of the Avengers may have been dazzling. However, the Avengers are no longer with them...
https://marvel.disney.co.jp/movie/thunderbolts/news/20250428_01#:~:text=Although the Thunderbolts,city into chaos.
The video emotionally depicts the conflict of the Thunderbolts*, who have no choice but to shoulder the fate of the world afterwards.
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One day, the Sentry, the most powerful enemy in history, attacks, possessing incredible powers that even the entire Avengers combined cannot match. Everyone in New York is instantly wiped out, throwing the city into chaos.

This film tells the story of the birth of the new team, the Thunderbolts, who will take the place of the Avengers in facing a crisis that threatens the world.
With humanity facing the threat of extinction, these "super-eccentric outlaws" who are neither "strongest" nor "heroes" and have a history of committing crimes decide to "do it!" and come together to face the most powerful enemy in history, the Sentry, who has more power than all the Avengers combined.

Kaji, who plays Bob, who holds the key to the story, as well as the Sentry, the strongest enemy in history that the Thunderbolts* will face, expressed his joy, saying , "As a voice actor, I'm extremely proud to be taking on the MCU for the first time as a main character," but also revealed that he was surprised at how key the role he played, saying, "But the description in the materials I was given just said, 'A mysterious man, Bob. However--' so I didn't know what to talk about (laughs) ! " Revealing the setting, he said, "It was quietly revealed, but in fact, I'm Bob, but I'm also the Sentry," and highlighted the points to look out for, saying, "If I could say one thing, it would be who exactly is that voice that sounds like me in the trailer? Which character is it, or is it neither? I can't say yet (laughs) . "

The Thunderbolts* are a new team of "super-eccentric outlaws" who have committed crimes in the past but who have been tasked with standing in for the Avengers to face the threat threatening the world. With
humanity on the brink of extinction, these guys who are neither "the strongest" nor "heroes" decide they have no choice but to come together and face the most powerful enemy in history, with more power than all of the Avengers combined.
https://marvel.disney.co.jp/movie/thunderbolts/news/20250501_02#:~:text=Kaji, who plays,yet (laughs) . "

Florence Pugh , who plays Yelena, the "sister" of Avengers Black Widow/Natasha, who grew up in a Russian assassin training institute , appeared in a gorgeous pastel green dress. "What's funny is, even while we were making the movie, we all knew it was going to be something special. And when I saw the finished product for the first time, I was convinced it was something special," she said , revealing a behind-the-scenes story. Regarding the film's already garnering rave reviews, she smiled and said, "Now that it's finally reaching the world, and it's naturally becoming a hot topic, and hearing all the positive feedback, it feels so fulfilling. I'm so happy that everyone will soon be able to see this film ." Yelena, played by Pugh, forms a new team, the "Thunderbolts*," with a group of "eccentric outlaws" who have committed crimes in the past, in response to an attack by the Sentry, the most powerful enemy in history with more power than all the Avengers combined. In a world without the Avengers, she risks turning her life around and taking on evil.

The Thunderbolts* are a team of extremely eccentric outlaws who, despite having committed crimes in the past, have been tasked with facing the threat that threatens the world on behalf of the Avengers. They are neither the strongest nor heroes.
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The Thunderbolts* are too unsettling to entrust with the future, and standing in their way is the Sentry, the most powerful enemy in history, described as "the ultimate hero, with more power than all the Avengers combined." His attack instantly wipes out the people of New York.

The latest trailer was released the other day, revealing the existence of the Sentry, the strongest enemy that the Thunderbolts* will face.
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The self-proclaimed god, the Sentry, is an incredible being with more power than all the Avengers combined, capable of creating pitch-black darkness and wiping out people in the blink of an eye. Social media has been flooded with comments expressing their horror at the Sentry's destructive power, such as, "The Sentry is too scary," and "It's scary how he can wipe out people in an instant. "

• Anyway, I want to turn attention to the text above. "The Existence of the Sentry, the strongest enemy that the Thunderbolts will face."

1. The text is clearly written in past-tense, as we have no indication that Sentry will be more powerful than Doctor Doom or any other threats in Doomsday/Secret Wars. Lastly, it'd be a massive breach of marketing and contract if it was a future-tense statement.
2. This implies that Sentry is stronger than Gauntlet Thanos (currently rated at 3-A, although he'd logically be H3A thanks to the cosmology upgrade), given how Bucky participated in the fight against Gauntlet Thanos in Wakanda (Infinity War).

• "Strongest enemy in history" would only pertain to Avengers Villains, as the texts following the statements reference the Avengers. Therefore, Dormammu wouldn't apply here.

In the All about Bob, Sentry & The Void DVD feature of Thunderbolts, this is what's said by Eric Pearson (the Screenwriter for the film).

...while they ultimately have to fight this Void who is going to erase the universe.

• This is supporting evidence, as erasing a universe in the MCU would be H3A.

Director Jake Schreier compared Sentry's power, or influence, to the Infinity Stones (which was linked to Sentry's statement page).

Jake Schreier when asked how 'THUNDERBOLTS*' connects to Avengers Doomsday. --- "There might be some stones, or pebbles. I don't know how you want to rate your rocks. Look, you know the character that we're talking about, and you know there's a level of power involved there that could have an impact going forward.

Because we have a statement of H3A power, and Sentry/Void being the "strongest enemy in history", this would likely mean that Sentry's power could be on the level of the Infinity Stones (barring Low 1-C scaling from Infinity Ultron).

I'm proposing a "Possibly" High 3-A AP rating for two reasons:

1. Avengers Doomsday has yet to release, so Jake Schreier's statement can easily be different from this interpretation.
2. The true H3A supporting statement from "erasing the universe" is quite vague, since we only saw The Void turning people into shadows. The buildings in New York City weren't affected beyond getting blackened by the shadows.

A) Assuming the AP proposal is rejected, I think High 3-A via Darkness Manipulation should at least be a given.

 

[ByArrow]

I agree

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

I agree, pretty straight forward. It's actually comical how many statements he has about being the strongest enemy in history

 

[Naeem0304]

I agree, pretty straight forward. It's actually comical how many statements he has about being the strongest enemy in history

I know right

I kept going from article to article, and in some shape or form it kept coming up.

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

I know right

I kept going from article to article, and in some shape or form it kept coming up.

There's probably some more out there but it'd be beating up a dead horse at that point. The general idea is all the same "Errr yeah Sentry is kinda cracked guys"
"Possibly H3A" sounds really good

 

[KaramcaS]

It is straight forward Hyperbole but I want to wait what admins should say

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sentry having infinite power requires enormous levels of evidence that is not supported here. Unless he actually overpowes an Infinity Gauntlet, alters an infinite realm or a better statement is given about his shadow realm I'm not in support of this upgrade.

Our FAQ about similar statements have a note that must be considered:

Q: What is the Tier for possessing Infinite Power or Infinite Strength?
A: Statements regarding infinite power, infinite strength, or unlimited quantities do not automatically indicate an ability to produce an infinite amount of energy at once. For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once). Statements involving "infinite power/strength" must be clearly indicative of magnitude to qualify for tiering, in order to avoid inflated ratings or inconsistencies in a story. Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier. If proven, however, statements of infinite strength would qualify for High 3-A or higher if evidence regarding a higher degree of infinity above baseline is established.

So I disagree. If Sentry is upgraded he will require something far more direct in my mind.

 

[Naeem0304]

Sentry having infinite power requires enormous levels of evidence that is not supported here. Unless he actually overpowes an Infinity Gauntlet, alters an infinite realm or a better statement is given about his shadow realm I'm not in support of this upgrade.

Our FAQ about similar statements have a note that must be considered:


So I disagree. If Sentry is upgraded he will require something far more direct in my mind.

Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier.

That's a fair statement.

Anyway, what about High 3-A or Universal range via Shadow Manipulation? AP wasn't the only proposal.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Thunderbolts artbook is coming in like 2 weeks we will probably get more info and concept art that we can use

 

[Qawsedf234]

Anyway, what about High 3-A or Universal range via Shadow Manipulation? AP wasn't the only proposal.

In the movie itself they only mentions the Shadows as covering the Earth. Going from Earth to infinite range would also require more to it in my view.

 

[darkphantom9805]

In the movie itself they only mentions the Shadows as covering the Earth. Going from Earth to infinite range would also require more to it in my view.

Because earth is all that matters in that situation? like how blast only mentions earth during Sp2 clash yet it destroys a lot more then earth

It’s also important to know thunderbolts flat out plot nerfed the feats in the film literally admitted by director they wanted everything to be grounded and that was their choice they could’ve went bigger but they wanted smaller

 

[Naeem0304]

In the movie itself they only mentions the Shadows as covering the Earth. Going from Earth to infinite range would also require more to it in my view.

The only person who said that in-movie was the doctor at the beginning, when he was warning Yelena about the risks of The Void. Plus, he never got to see Void's full potential; he only saw a small glimpse of it (when Yelena was looking at pictures from the lab, it showed two people who were shadowed).

In fact, this is all he said:

Yelena: It’s gonna change the world.

The Doctor: No, no, no. It could end the world.

The statement doesn't definitively say the Shadows would only cover the Earth. "End the world" can mean anything.

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The "universe" statement comes from a DVD extra detailing Sentry and the Void, and from the Screenwriter.

 

[Naeem0304]

Because earth is all that matters in that situation? like how blast only mentions earth during Sp2 clash yet it destroys a lot more then earth

It’s also important to know thunderbolts flat out plot nerfed the feats in the film literally admitted by director they wanted everything to be grounded and that was their choice they could’ve went bigger but they wanted smaller

This is true. I just finished watching the Director's Commentary, and during the Sentry fight, Director Jake Schreier says they were holding off on how much Sentry was going to do, even though he said Sentry had a "limitless power-set" (here's a linked clip from Twitter that I put in streamable).

 

[Qawsedf234]

It’s also important to know thunderbolts flat out plot nerfed the feats in the film literally admitted by director they wanted everything to be grounded and that was their choice they could’ve went bigger but they wanted smaller

That works against the point. To back a universal rating you need universal feats.

The "universe" statement comes from a DVD extra detailing Sentry and the Void, and from the Screenwriter.

Since we already accept it in his current profile, I guess a possibly rating for range alone would be fine. Though the link would need to be fixed.

 

[Naeem0304]

Since we already accept it in his current profile, I guess a possibly rating for range alone would be fine. Though the link would need to be fixed.

The original link was destroyed because IMGUR decided to go AWOL on a bunch of people's images.

I can just link a new one at some other point today.

 

[Naeem0304]

That works against the point. To back a universal rating you need universal feats.

Since we already accept it in his current profile, I guess a possibly rating for range alone would be fine. Though the link would need to be fixed.

Quick question. For a CRT like this, would your vote be enough for it to be applied, or 1-2 more votes from other staff are required?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Quick question. For a CRT like this, would your vote be enough for it to be applied, or 1-2 more votes from other staff are required?

Usually you need two mods. But if its only range and not AP it can probably be applied

 

[Naeem0304]

Usually you need two mods. But if its only range and not AP it can probably be applied

Yup, the upgrade now was only for range, and not AP (since there's not enough evidence, and waiting to see what Sentry does in Doomsday/Secret Wars is the better option).

Upgrade was applied. This can be closed.