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Still has Passive Abyssal Energy
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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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Machmatej
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Shigaraki resists and counters most of that nglStill has Passive Abyssal Energy
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Skirk when she tries to kill shiggy
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Alr then what are u waiting for, explained for each of them
Machmatej
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Corruption Type 1
- Type 1 Corruption can be resisted by a strong enough willpower. It also seems to need physical touch, which Shigaraki counters with a widespread decay or air cannon (Shigaraki doesn't need background knowledge or prep time for this btw, Danger Sense and Search would inform him of Skirk's weaknesses, plus these attacks are starting moves for him)
Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3)
- Type 2 is resisted by high enough resistance to Mind Manipulation, which Shigaraki has. Type 3 has a limitation described as "beings whose physical forms are similarly complex or extreme in nature are likely to be unaffected by exposure to such a being". I don't know if this counts, but Shigaraki is an amalgamation of souls described to be transcended and complex.
Pain Manipulation
- The abyssal energy page doesn't go too in depth on how it works. But Shigaraki's Super Regeneration prevents him from feeling pain.
Information Manipulation Type 1
- The page just says "Forbidden knowledge originated from the very depths of the Abyss". so I'm assuming it's not combat-applicable.
Transmutation
- Shigaraki's body control and reactive evolution should counteract any forced transformations/mutations. And him turning into a "mindless beast" wouldn't do any favors for Skirk unless she can control him, since at that point Shigaraki would just be a Nomu, and his abilities and instincts would still register her as a threat and attack her.
Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Memory Manipulation
- Shiggy straight up has enhanced resistances against all this stuff. And the page says "Direct contact with high concentration of Abyssal Power" is what causes mental trauma. Shigaraki would either be straight-up immune by virtue of already being mentally traumatized, or he just gets forced into getting a Rage Amp because his trauma is what causes his hate, and hate is what fuels his willpower to fight. More likely, he'd just avoid direct contact ig.
Perception Manipulation
- The page just says it causes hallucinations. This is linked to the mind manipulation, which Shigaraki resists, but either way, Shigaraki can ignore hallucinations since his Search automatically tracks someone's soul, and Danger Sense would just let him track Skirk through a 6th sense, regardless of what he's hallucinating. Worth mentioning that his profile doesn't cover this, but he should be resistant to the hallucinations caused by AFO's mere presence, as not only has stood in AFO's presence before, but also shares his soul with him.
Darkness Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Void Manipulation, Unholy Manipulation
- I'm gonna need an elaboration on how this works, because the description on the AE page doesn't sound combat applicable.
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yes he joined the second war, I still have doubts about the first war, because there is a possibility that he went down into the abyss after being defeated in the first war.
no one considers the other dragons to be equal to the sovereign, but even if they are not equal to the sovereign in terms of power, because of the large number it can affect the duration of the war, so it is possible that the 40 years were not a 1v1 fight, Scylla and Kukulan even knew about the war which means that those who fought Phanes and Shades were not only the sovereign and Nibelung
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I cant with this Aether
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@Voidnether was talking about how cooked the genshin verse became on the wiki the moment skirk lost
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I command you to fix all of the genshin profiles, effective immediately
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"Chainscale them to narwhal" they say
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Atleast they ain't dead like Shigaraki does
Shigaraki will forever haunt this verse
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The Forbidden Knowledge is combat applicable, bassicly more corruption and shi (and an amplification of one's power) and none of the abilities need physical touch, in fact is just passive abilities from the energy alone (like there could be an Abyssal Miasma 60 meters away from u and would still affect u). In Skirk's case the perception manip affects the mind directly, making u forget about her existence and Skirk's page needs some updates, since apparently she can yk the casual Spatial Manipulation, Regeneration to a Low Mid lvl and some kinda of advantage against Shiga's decay (when used on the floor) should be her ability to flight or levitate at worst
Shigaraki forgetting about what he was doing in the middle of the fight
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Alr roll it back then, Skirk vs All For One
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Random Wednesday strikes again
Machmatej
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I'd hate to clog up the discussion thread with a vs debate, since it's already been like 5 pages. But I already addressed this, shigaraki resists.
Shigaraki has better and faster regeneration, and low-mid level regen is too weak for Shiggy's decay.
This is only useful depending on her mobility. Because levitating won't save her from getting snatched 100 meters away and decayed by his infinite mass of hands
Shiggy resists this, but even if he couldn't, he can straight up fight on pure instinct alone, and his Danger Sense would just immediately register Skirk as a threat and attack her.
Machmatej
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i'm down, though AFO is weaker than shiggy
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Somehow has a lot of resistances
Machmatej
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he has the same resistances as shiggy. if anything, he should have less
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This is peak asl, if this is the quality they would give us for the entire 10-12 hours then I'm down for it else where the hell is the skip button man
I see, well I just thought it'd be boring if it's the same character especially in the span of just like 1-2 days? Idk if castorice would be willing to run it tho, and skirk vs muzan one next
Machmatej
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Current Skirk vs Shigaraki is a mismatch. Shigaraki doesn't have resistance to deconstruction (for some reason) so he gets annihilated, but at the same time Skirk doesn't resist his fear and paralysis inducement. Same with Muzan. Skirk doesn't resist Battle Spirit and Muzan can't damage Skirk at all.
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Skirk doesn´t even have any fear (which they label as fear eternal) beside her master challenging her to a duel, she is pretty much emotionless since she supress her emotions.
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This type of fear eternal also makes her stronger.
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That doesn't make her immune. Shigaraki doesn't strike fear into people just because he's scary. His mere presence causes hallucinations/visions of your death and paralyzes you. It's an ability. And if she fears her master in a duel, then she is capable of feeling fear, and she will be vulnerable to Shigaraki's fear manipulation.
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Why is Flins acting as if the Traveler was some defenless dude
Watch Skirk using an Abyssal Portal to hide until Shiga forgets and attack from behind
Actually a lot of top tiers in Genshin should have this, like we see mid tiers like Keqing being capable of resisting Osial's overwhelming aura, but hey this is the current state of Genshin's profile
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It won´t be the same since Shigaraki can´t produce a fear powerful enough to replicate Surtalogi himself since his presence alone is terrifying and a calamity across the entire universe. (who is also the embodiment of Power himself)
Plus Genshin makes a distinction between between regular fear and fear eternal. This type of fear will only make the user stronger, so if anything Shigaraki will make Skirk stronger. This is numerous times confirmed in the lore as well Fear = Skirk source of Power. Her fear is more existential than Traumatic.
´´Fear only serves as a spur for the weak. But when you grow stronger, unconquered fear will become naught but a shackle.´´
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Bro just wanted to Aura farm LOLWhy is Flins acting as if the Traveler was some defenless dude
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It makes so much sense why Surtalogi didn´t defend his hometown, like why should he? They condemned him, put him to prison and wanted to sentence him to death.
I also understand why Skirk ignores everyone because if she becomes to close with everyone else, her master would also destroy them. But i think perhaps the only way to defeat Surtalogi though teamwork. if Skirk worked together with others.
Potentially Childe may be the only candidiate who may be able to grow stronger than Surtalogi.
I also understand why Skirk ignores everyone because if she becomes to close with everyone else, her master would also destroy them. But i think perhaps the only way to defeat Surtalogi though teamwork. if Skirk worked together with others.
Potentially Childe may be the only candidiate who may be able to grow stronger than Surtalogi.
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Really? That's her win-con? Hiding until Shigaraki forgets and drops his guard? Because Danger Sense would feel her presence and react immediately after the portal is created, maybe even before that since Search can monitor her at all times, so Shigaraki would know where she'd reappear. Also not in his profile for some reason, but Shigaraki should have AFO's warping quirk, which would just allow him to do the same thing.
Fair enough. Shigaraki's profile is missing a few abilities and resistances too.
Shigaraki's presence is also terrifying, and Surtalogi being powerful isn't a reason to give exceptions to Skirk's fear resistance. All that implies is Skirk can't resist fear induced by more powerful characters.
None of that sounds like hallucination or paralysis inducement resistance, which is what Shigaraki's presence causes. Granted, all that can be overcome with sheer willpower, but Skirk getting stronger from fear isn't a reason enough to give her resistance to Shigaraki's fear hax.
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Shigaraki and Surtalogi are two different tiers btw, What is considered terrifying from the level of shigaraki =/= the one of a higher being who cause fear across the universe.
She should have resistance of Hallucinations since she is a citizen of the abyss. For the average person a mere exposure can cause hallacinations, fear etc, even the creatures from the abyss cause fear yet Skirk is unfazed by them. One of the many entities from the abyss is considered pit of despair
The thing is Skirk doesn´t have fear regarding beings that imitate Surtalogi appearance. So a mere hallaculation of Surtalogi wouldn´t make a difference. She fought against Skofnungr and Narhwal whom both imitated the appearance of Surtalogi without fear and these two are also greatly stronger than Shgaraki.
Machmatej
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Tier ≠ Hax potency. I don't know the context, but if a someone causes fear across the universe because they're known for being powerful, and if Skirk is scared of them because of their power level and not an actual ability that forcefully inflicts fear, that's not fear manipulation, that's social influencing. I'm gonna need you to give me an actual feat of fear manipulation that would put him above Shigaraki's or at least on his league, or I'm not convinced.
In the video you linked, the Captain says that the level of hallucinations vary according to mental trauma. Could it be that Skirk just isn't mentally scarred enough to be affected? He also says "Direct contact with high concentration of Abyssal power" is the source, and "verbal and physical interaction can be used to break through the hallucination". So it's not "mere exposure", and it's not a necessarily powerful hallucination either. I wouldn't give her resistance for this, unless there's a direct showing or statement of Skirk herself experiencing hallucinations or implying she can't experience them.
Imitating someone's appearance doesn't grant you their abilities, also I don't know the context, but it's also possible that Skirk knew those beings weren't Surtalogi, so she wouldn't be afraid of them. Shigaraki's hallucinations are accompanied by an overwhelming feeling of fear and dread, so it's not just perception manipulation. And again, being stronger ≠ better fear hax.
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The thing is she is always in direct contact with abyssal power since she reside in the abyss which is the source of abbyssal power, her limbs for example are entirely generated by abyssal power. She herself possessess the power of the abyss. Minor cases can be treated with verbal and physical interaction but extreme cases can only be treated with the draught of lucidity. She also trains with Narwhal who should have a greater form of abyssal power than those in the video mentioned.
"As I've said before, I still communicate normally with those who possess some measure of skill. And the food in the Abyssal rift only tasted off to him because he's an ordinary human."
"And about training — I don't really care how many hands I use, but I do care how many he'll have left when I'm done teaching."
"He still needs to live in Teyvat, so he can't just make new limbs for himself with Abyssal energy like I can."
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Universal Range, trust
The Potential Man in Genshin is the Traveler
Didnt know Danger Sense has a range across planets or realms ngl
Unless she reappears in his position, since the portals are created by her slicing time, Shiggy would expierence Gojo's death 1st handed fr
Yeah, and Shiggy is weaker than her (stats wise)
Nah, let me explain it for you, she witness her entire race being massacre before her eyes and when she tought she was save some dude made her train until she threw up, even cutting to the point of her wrists being open straight up, she is amoung the most mentally damaged characters in the game
That NPC only expierence the abyssal corruption exposure only during a day, Skirk litterally lives in the Abyss, even without go any futher, her limbs are abyssal energy, so yeah she is in constant contanct with high concentration of Abyssal Powers
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lol I don´t even think even the Traveler could outpotential Childe
Like how rapidly he became Narwhal level and he started at the absolute bottom.
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Childe is gonna be Sinner level by EOG trustlol I don´t even think even the Traveler could outpotential Childe
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