The Incredibles Discussion Thread

[IDK3465]

We gonna have uncomfortable conversations about Omni Droid scaling when Mr Incredible only won through LS Meta

I mean, he should still at minimum scale durability-wise considering he was able to tank several hits from the thing, and he can even damage some of its weak points, like its arm and head, so he should still probably downscale from it even if he’s weaker

 

[Dinobot1996]

Also, Mr. Incredible was pretty much at his most out of shape when he fought the Omnidroid v.8, to the point where The Incredibles: The Essential Guide implies that he had gained 50 pounds during his retired years (and he only starts actively trying to get back into shape after defeating the Omnidroid)

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

Interesting they removed the "power type" category in the 2nd movie I wonder why? I would imagine Voyd and Krushauer would've been pretty high in terms of power type.

Someone should write a doomed yaoi fanfic about him and his husband roommate raising their children up until his death via cape

That's just sad, though kinda goes in hand with the popluar fan theory that Edna designed Syndrome's suit when she realized he was a villian.

 

[IDK3465]

I still just don’t understand why the initial downgrade from 7-C was made, like, Hypershock’s file explicitly says he’s able to produce mag 6 earthquakes WITH HIS FISTS, it absolutely should scale to his physicals. Also, Mr. Incredible doesn’t have a lower strength stat unlike what Maverick claims, power type just refers to abilities and hax rather than raw power, so like, wtf is his argument.

 

[Dinobot1996]

These Dash scans were just brought to my attention by @Zenkaibattery1, one scan from The Incredibles: The Essential Guide stating that Dash is one of the fastest things on Earth, and the other scan from the Pixar Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded, stating that Dash is the fastest thing on Earth and played faster than light pranks at school:

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I still just don’t understand why the initial downgrade from 7-C was made, like, Hypershock’s file explicitly says he’s able to produce mag 6 earthquakes WITH HIS FISTS, it absolutely should scale to his physicals. Also, Mr. Incredible doesn’t have a lower strength stat unlike what Maverick claims, power type just refers to abilities and hax rather than raw power, so like, wtf is his argument.

Yeah I don't really stand by that thread anymore

These Dash scans were just brought to my attention by @Zenkaibattery1, one scan from The Incredibles: The Essential Guide stating that Dash is one of the fastest things on Earth, and the other scan from the Pixar Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded, stating that Dash is the fastest thing on Earth and played faster than light pranks at school:

Not sure about FTL but I can see Dash being a lot faster than we rate him.

 

[Oiguana2701]

These Dash scans were just brought to my attention by @Zenkaibattery1, one scan from The Incredibles: The Essential Guide stating that Dash is one of the fastest things on Earth, and the other scan from the Pixar Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded, stating that Dash is the fastest thing on Earth and played faster than light pranks at school:

What exactly would that make him be faster than? Like, he's already been calculated to be faster than any animal, there's probably ways to get him to like, subsonic+ or supersonic, but I really doubt he could be faster than light or cosmic rays or anything that isn't basic, mostly because he doesn't even have feats to prove (and it's a kids encyclopedia thing, they weren't thinking of particles that reach 99% of the speed of light)

 

[Dinobot1996]

I'll leave it up to others exactly how to interpret the information in those scans, but in the meantime, it looks like the 'nose' end of the Jack-Jack laser calc is now approved, so I imagine a Relativistic upgrade isn't far off now...

 

[Dinobot1996]

Another scan that was brought to my attention by @Zenkaibattery1 was this Omnidroid section of The Incredibles: The Essential Guide, which states that the Omnidroid v.10 was almost ten times the size of the v.9:

It was also suggested that the Omnidroid v.10's ranged weaponry should be treated as lasers for moving in a straight line and burning on impact, and yes, The Incredibles: the Junior Novelization straight up calls it a laser, I checked:

This would be consistent with the other laser stuff.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Another scan that was brought to my attention by @Zenkaibattery1 was this Omnidroid section of The Incredibles: The Essential Guide, which states that the Omnidroid v.10 was almost ten times the size of the v.9:

It was also suggested that the Omnidroid v.10's ranged weaponry should be treated as lasers for moving in a straight line and burning on impact, and yes, The Incredibles: the Junior Novelization straight up calls it a laser, I checked:

This would be consistent with the other laser stuff.

Not sure it meets our light standards

also, love that ya'll are even able to find this sh*t, deadass. I remember being a lil' kid and how they would make all these books, novels, and guide picture books for movies growing up. Legitimately makes me nostalgic to see this.

The Incredibles especially, because it came out just a few years before my first memories, from around 2007. I watched it and a lot of other disney movies.

 

[Dinobot1996]

If the Omnidroid's lasers can get accepted as light, @Zenkaibattery1 showed me a calculation of Elastigirl dodging the laser:

 

[ByArrow]

If the Omnidroid's lasers can get accepted as light, @Zenkaibattery1 showed me a calculation of Elastigirl dodging the laser:

This look like aim dodging.

 

[IDK3465]

This look like aim dodging.

I wouldn’t say so actually because A: she was actively running away, so it’s not like she could look back to tell where it was aiming or when it was about to shoot, and B, slowing down the footage shows she’s moving in-tandem with the laser anyway, so wether she noticed it firing beforehand or not doesn’t matter to the calc

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

It looked like aim dodging to me, and there's exactly a 0% chance it's with our light standards.

Come on guys, Mr. Incredible is not a speedster

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following.
Mr. Incredibles upgrades are something i've been waiting for

 

[Soulgizmo]

Good matchups for the omnidroid?

 

[That_moron2]

Good matchups for the omnidroid?

If that Multi-Continent calc I saw is legit (very low chance we actually get High 6-A Mr. Incredible on the wiki though) then the USJ Nomu could be a cool fight based on the connections here

 

[Dalesean027]

If that Multi-Continent calc I saw is legit (very low chance we actually get High 6-A Mr. Incredible on the wiki though) then the USJ Nomu could be a cool fight based on the connections here

Yeah nah it ain't legit we've already discussed universal man scaling the near black hole shit is just hax and going to that density is a risk for him himself too, hardly anything he'd fully scale too

 

[Baken384]

that Multi-Continent calc I saw is legit

It's not.

 

[That_moron2]

Yeah nah it ain't legit we've already discussed universal man scaling

Because he was probably holding back against the Omni-Droid?

 

[Baken384]

Because he was probably holding back against the Omni-Droid?

PWe will never know because how he was killed is never revealed.
Plus in the same page where Mr Statistic Man (Universal Man) has his so called black hole, the NSA thinks his strength is dog poopoo, that is more hax than AP.

 

[Dalesean027]

PWe will never know because how he was killed is never revealed.
Plus in the same page where Mr Statistic Man (Universal Man) has his so called black hole, the NSA thinks his strength is dog poopoo, that is more hax than AP.

Literally

 

[That_moron2]

PWe will never know because how he was killed is never revealed.

You can argue Bob outscales based on narrative and statements regardless of the Omni-Droid.

Plus in the same page where Mr Statistic Man (Universal Man) has his so called black hole, the NSA thinks his strength is dog poopoo, that is more hax than AP.

This would be more based on durability and power type (both of which are very high) than his A.P.

 

[Dalesean027]

You can argue Bob outscales based on narrative and statements regardless of the Omni-Droid.

This would be more based on durability and power type (both of which are very high) than his A.P.

For one there is no narrative there, bro is offscreen and we don't even get an inkling of information on his defeat there is nothing really to scale there when he has trash physical stats and otherwise its a hax ability brodie and if it really was a testament to how durable he wouldn't have it listed as a weakness that if he goes near black hole density he'd create an uncontrollable gravity nexus some shit he himself wouldn't scale to

Outside of that even if you did try and upscale via scaling chain it'd just be an outlier to everything else ngl since we see Mr. Incredible high diff plenty of feats that'd be much lower

 

[That_moron2]

For one there is no narrative there, bro is offscreen and we don't even get an inkling of information on his defeat there is nothing really to scale there when he has trash physical stats and otherwise its a hax ability brodie and if it really was a testament to how durable he wouldn't have it listed as a weakness that if he goes near black hole density he'd create an uncontrollable gravity nexus some shit he himself wouldn't scale to

Outside of that even if you did try and upscale via scaling chain it'd just be an outlier to everything else ngl since we see Mr. Incredible high diff plenty of feats that'd be much lower

I definitely think it’s an outlier unless there’s something crazy that we haven’t noticed, but I don’t agree that he just can’t reach that level and the statement is wrong. Your reasoning for Bob not scaling is valid though.

 

[Dalesean027]

This is an indexing wiki btw big number isn't the goal

I definitely think it’s an outlier unless there’s something crazy that we haven’t noticed, but I don’t agree that he just can’t reach that level and the statement is wrong. Your reasoning for Bob not scaling is valid though.

I never said the statement is wrong I just don't believe scaling it to his durability is valid and it seems more a hax thing

 

[Baken384]

Trying to find narrative over a character that never did anything but appear in 1 audio file

 

[That_moron2]

This is an indexing wiki btw big number isn't the goal

Who said that big numbers is the goal? I literally agreed with you that Bob wouldn't scale

I never said the statement is wrong I just don't believe scaling it to his durability is valid and it seems more a hax thing

Baken was implying it was wrong.

 

[That_moron2]

Trying to find narrative over a character that never did anything but appear in 1 audio file

Bob is supposed to be the strongest super, so he can reasonably upscale Universal Man if the black hole stuff wasn't a hax thing

 

[Baken384]

Baken was implying it was wrong.

Yeah it is. Universal Man's strength is considered trash, I don't know why Mr Incredible should be scaling to anything when his so called "Greatest Hero" statement doesn't even involve strength at all. Even Narratively when he beats the Omnidroids, it isn't even done through power, it is more Brains over Brawns.

 

[That_moron2]

Yeah it is. Universal Man's strength is considered trash

It would be more of a hax or at best durability thing than strength

I don't know why Mr Incredible should be scaling to anything when his so called "Greatest Hero" statement doesn't even involve strength at all. Even Narratively when he beats the Omnidroids, it isn't even done through power, it is more Brains over Brawns

The Incredibles: The Essential Guide makes it extra clear that being able to fight Mr. Incredible is indeed the ultimate benchmark that the Omnidroid could achieve:

This is absolutely about strength

 

[Baken384]

This is absolutely about strength

No it doesn't.
Omnidroid worthy of fighting Mr Incredible doesn't automatically indicate it is just strength. Examining this movie, it isn't just pure strength that got Mr Incredible his win, but it was mostly his wits. He managed to use the LS Meta to get in the Omnidroid so it just kills itself in the process.

If it was more explicit like it was clear to your face like Jotaro Kujo level statements id believe you but in this case, nah. The statement doesn't tell me its purely about power.
also unsuspecting supers lmao the droids just snuck up on his enemies

 

[That_moron2]

No it doesn't.
Omnidroid worthy of fighting Mr Incredible doesn't automatically indicate it is just strength. Examining this movie, it isn't just pure strength that got Mr Incredible his win, but it was mostly his wits. He managed to use the LS Meta to get in the Omnidroid so it just kills itself in the process.

If it was more explicit like it was clear to your face like Jotaro Kujo level statements id believe you but in this case, nah. The statement doesn't tell me its purely about power.
also unsuspecting supers lmao the droids just snuck up on his enemies

How he defeated it at that point is irrelevant. Its clearly implying the Omni-Droid wasn't strong enough to fight him beforehand.

 

[Baken384]

How he defeated it at that point is irrelevant. Its clearly implying the Omni-Droid wasn't strong enough to fight him beforehand.

I'll say it again, that statement doesn't even tell us that its purely strength related at all.
What consists of "Worthy of fighting Mr. Incredible"? Is it strength? speed? durability? Intelligence? His apparent danger sense? The statement is not explicit enough that its absolutely about strength. Get me a number 1 in strength statement or an actual "Strongest" Statement rather than praying that the statement provided is explicitly about his strength even though its not, and then I'll believe you.

 

[That_moron2]

I'll say it again, that statement doesn't even tell us that its purely strength related at all.
What consists of "Worthy of fighting Mr. Incredible"? Is it strength? speed? durability? Intelligence? His apparent danger sense? The statement is not explicit enough that its absolutely about strength. Get me a number 1 in strength statement or an actual "Strongest" Statement rather than praying that the statement provided is explicitly about his strength even though its not, and then I'll believe you.

Bro, how would you not be worthy to fight someone yet but stat gap them. That doesn't make any sense and you're being skeptical for no reason

 

[Dalesean027]

It does say unsuspecting supers part of the statement still makes it fraud on the Omni-Droid's part ngl so it getting stronger to face Mr. Incredible isn't AS crazy a statement, I mean see in the movie they tried off guarding Mr. Incredible too. I highly doubt Universal Man was sitting at hax density just ******* up himself and the area when he got attacked especially since that's his weakness as things stand we have 3 relevant pieces of information to draw a conclusion

1) we never see the Omni-Droid fight but we're told and shown it attacks unsuspecting Supers
2) Universal Man is almost never at max density due to the adverse effects and risk it causes, his physical strength is noted to not be very impressive
3) The statement is that the omni-droid was made more lethal until it can face mr. Incredible and while that may include potential durability or strength buffs its not inherently an AP and dura only statement, the previous Omni-Droid's didn't have legs and had like tank treads instead, it for a good while wasn't round so couldn't use its ball form for mobility or slamming, it likely didn't always have laser beams or saw blade arms so you can't write this off as only a power statement.


With all that in mind its safe to say the omni-droids certainly ain't High 6-A nor was its increase in lethality statement a strength increase only statement the High 6-A scaling just doesn't work

 

[Baken384]

Bro, how would you not be worthy to fight someone yet but stat gap them. That doesn't make any sense and you're being skeptical for no reason

Give me an explicit statement that its about strength.

The one provided doesn’t even classify as a strength related statement but rather than an in general thing.

Trying to scale Mr Incredible above a nothing burger statement from a guy who got clapped by the weakest omnidroid, while also we have no way to know how the Omnidroid fought Universal Man other than Omnidroids fighting them when its unsuspected.

It doesn’t help that Omnidroid got clapped by Gamma Jack who explicitly has a 7-C cap.

 

[That_moron2]

It does say unsuspecting supers part of the statement still makes it fraud on the Omni-Droid's part ngl so it getting stronger to face Mr. Incredible isn't AS crazy a statement, I mean see in the movie they tried off guarding Mr. Incredible too. I highly doubt Universal Man was sitting at hax density just ******* up himself and the area when he got attacked especially since that's his weakness as things stand we have 3 relevant pieces of information to draw a conclusion

1) we never see the Omni-Droid fight but we're told and shown it attacks unsuspecting Supers
2) Universal Man is almost never at max density due to the adverse effects and risk it causes, his physical strength is noted to not be very impressive
3) The statement is that the omni-droid was made more lethal until it cam face mr. Incredible and while that may include potential durability or strength buffs its not inherently an AP and dura only statement, the previous Omni-Droid's didn't have legs and had like tank treads instead, it for a good while wasn't round so couldn't use its ball form for mobility or slamming, it likely didn't always have laser beams or saw blade arms so you can't write this off as only a power statement.


With all that in mind its safe to say the omni-droids certainly ain't High 6-A nor was its increase in lethality statement a strength increase only statement the High 6-A scaling just doesn't work

Not replying to all this. I already agreed he doesn't scale to the black hole so if he actually beats him in a fight isn't relevant

 

[Dalesean027]

Not replying to all this. I already agreed he doesn't scale to the black hole so if he actually beats him in a fight isn't relevant

Thats fine its also more speaking on the fact that you're taking the statement to mean ONLY that the omni-droid got stat improvements and not improvements anywhere else when its not a strength statement there, its a lethality statement

 

[That_moron2]

Thats fine its also more speaking on the fact that you're taking the statement to mean ONLY that the omni-droid got stat improvements and not improvements anywhere else when its not a strength statement there, its a lethality statement

I never said it only got stat improvements I'm saying if it was actually already stronger than Mr. Incredible it would be considered worthy to fight him. They expected the one that he took down to kill him anyway, so you can't really say that because he couldn't overpower that one that he couldn't overpower the others