Revolutionization of our intelligence ratings

[Vzearr]

First and foremost. I'm back! Back with a banger too!

Intelligence. The SCD community in only getting bigger and I want to make the wiki a place where they can debate their characters with better knowledge on each one, therefore my idea comes into play.
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Premise​

The view of intelligence better known as "g" is broken down into six primary things:

1. Fluid Reasoning: The ability to solve problems and detect patterns.
2. Verbal Comprehension: Understanding and expressing complex verbal concepts.
3. Visual Spatial Reasoning: Manipulating and organising information/objects in a specific space.
4. Quantitative Reasoning: Applying logic and number skills to problem solving.
5. Working Memory: Holding information short term.
6. Processing Speed: The speed in which you respond to information.

Instead of vague labels like "Genius". I believe we should directly relate feats to these six indexes.

Example: Genius Profile​

• Fluid Reasoning: Solved the BB murder case, requiring advanced deduction against a near perfect opponent. - GENIUS
• Working Memory: Has perfect memory recall. - GENIUS
• Processing Speed: Formulated a strategy against Naomi within minutes. - GENIUS
• Quantitative Reasoning: Manipulated an FBI agent who was cautious of his identity into revealing his identity by staging a bus hijack. - GIFTED
• Visual Spatial Reasoning: Constructed a double bottom drawer that destroyed a book if it was opened incorrectly. - GIFTED
• Verbal Comprehension: Ranked as the top student in Japan, aced his final year exams. - GIFTED

Overall Intelligence: Genius.


This method gives better based ratings for intelligence.

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Additional Cognitive Domains​

Beyond the six traditional ones I believe the following should be included:

1. Learning Ability Index– The capacity to adapt, learn from mistakes, and apply knowledge to new situations.
   • Example: After his fake rules were exposed, he made a flawless new plan involving unpredictable future factors that went perfectly. - EXTRAORDINARY GENIUS

1. Manipulation Index– The ability to influence humans and situations.
   • Example: Manipulated a detective who knew the lethal risks into revealing her name. - GENIUS

1. Logical Ability Index– The ability to apply deductive reasoning to systems.
   • Example: Remade the rules of the Death Note. - GIFTED

Scaling From The Ratings​

From ratings we should scale up, for example someone may have the following index:

GIFTED
GIFTED
GIFTED
GENIUS
GENIUS
GENIUS
GIFTED

They should be referred to as a genius. In traditional IQ testing scores given are not necessarily the average but are scaled up.

Why This Framework Matters​

By breaking some characters intelligence into specific indexes, we lose the odd vague descriptions and instead give an actual system based scale. This makes it possible to meaningfully compare intelligence levels across individuals or characters easier.

The Final Proposal

• Fluid Reasoning: Explanation - Rating
• Working Memory: Explanation - Rating
• Processing Speed: Explanation - Rating
• Quantitative Reasoning: Explanation - Rating
• Visual Spatial Reasoning: Explanation - Rating
• Verbal Comprehension: Explanation - Rating
• Learning Ability Index: Explanation - Rating
• Manipulation Index: Explanation - Rating
• Logical Ability Index: Explanation - Rating

 

[Flashlight237]

I personally commend the acknowledgement of how there are multiple types of intelligence as it is well-known that intelligence isn't just more than just "how smart of you?" However, as someone who had attempted an Associates Degree in psychology, I can confidently say that the Vs Debating community? Ehh... We're not psychologists. I don't think anyone expects Death Battle, the Outskirts Battledome, Spacebattles, BBW, etc. to psychoanalyze fictional characters like what you're proposing hwre; we basically expect them to just take the ups and downs of intelligence under how normies like me expect to.

If this were to go through, I personally feel that all of this would more easily be utilized on completely stupid characters like Lindsay (Total Drama), Aqua (Konosuba), and Magikarp than it would on functionally intelligent characters like Professor X and Dr. Eggman. Video game characters would especially be hard to assess, as Mario would only have the spatial awareness and all that of the players of his game. About the only benefit I can see here is it allows us to assess the intelligence of intellectual wildcards like Anya Forger and Jashin-chan more easily.

I'm neutral on this, but leaning towards the opposition.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Outside being needlessly complex for our purposes, wouldn't processing speed be an extremely hard metric to judge for anyone with superhuman speeds?

 

[Tago238]

Who possibly cares enough to want to add the nuance

 

[Armorchompy]

This is very much way too detailed for the purposes of this website. Most people (really, anyone who doesn't already understand this stuff and isn't willing to spend a decent amount of time familiarizing themselves with it) would massively misunderstand or misuse this system.

That's the biggest issue and enough to not use it on its own, but consider that most fictional characters would hardly actually have the material for it. Outside of series where a character's intellect is an important part of the story (Things like Breaking Bad and Sherlock Holmes and whatnot) you're not going to find enough to actually fit this framework.

EDIT to add an example: Even super-intelligent characters like sci-fi tech geniuses often just have one field they're really good at (which is admittedly often "literally all kinds of science") but often have few feats of mundane reasoning and mental capacity, meaning their intelligence sections would be 1/9th a massive textwall of feats and the rest all guesswork or comparatively unimpressive feats.​

And to address the (valid) fact that it is a much more thorough means of tracking a character's intellect if you DO want to spend the time using this system and he DOES have enough feats for the framework to matter... nothing's stopping you from using it right now? We don't have the most specific rules for intelligence ratings, you can rate the character as "genius" or whatever and then have a bullet point list detailing different kinds of intelligence. This is something people commonly do with combat intelligence, and some profiles like Light Yagami actually do basically what you're proposing already. So there really is no upside to making it an obligatory part of our rules.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Only a handful of characters are likely to require this level of detail anyway. I also don’t think it’s a good idea to make things more complicated, the current version of our intelligence pages is already in a good place. As Armorchompy mentioned, listing the other types of intelligence as bullet points works better than what’s currently being proposed.

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that it seems too overcomplicated and hard to evaluate. My apologies.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

some profiles like Light Yagami actually do basically what you're proposing already. So there really is no upside to making it an obligatory part of our rules.

Couple extra examples that immediately came to mind.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Armor laid it out well. Insanely overcomplicated, impossible to measure thoroughly with the data we tend to be able to work with, provides essentially no upside since if we have the data available, people are still currently allowed to just expand on the Intelligence section as much as they want. Hard disagree.

 

[FinePoint]

I concur with my peers above.

Also, I feel like a similar idea was already brought up before and rejected for the same reasons.

 

[Vzearr]

This thread has been unanimously rejected. Could someone please close it.

Thank you for reading the thread.