Uta vs Quanxi

[That_moron2]

They start in base form 10 meters apart, both with prior knowledge, and Uta is willing to do anything to survive/win, speed equal, battle takes place in an open field

Uta: 6 (@That_moron2, @Bimbitesthedust, @Arkansalter2, @MannyQ361, @GodEarh206, @Ms.Luzifer)

Quanxi: 2 (@Anonymous_Learner, @Zyurtunder13)

Beat Moron with hammers:

 

[That_moron2]

This might sound like a stomp, but Uta actually needs a little under 6 seconds to put someone to sleep. Given the starting distance, Quanxi could get in close quarters within less than 2 seconds and kill her.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Feels stompy...Uta Deseverse
Quanxi solos and got my vote

 

[That_moron2]

Feels stompy...Uta Deseverse
Quanxi solos and got my vote

You aren't ready for when I break out the Quanxi goons mid-match and loses args again. Uta has SI too

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This might sound like a stomp, but Uta actually needs a little under 6 seconds to put someone to sleep. Given the starting distance, Quanxi could get in close quarters within less than 2 seconds and kill her.

That weakness is such a bad weakness... The "effects" seem to be instant, as you even said... The "6 seconds" is the persons own reactional movements, closing their eyes and such... You can be asleep/unconscious while having your eyes open, would have nothing to do with Uta but the person their effecting

It shouldn't even be a weakness to begin with
It legit says if she sings, you get transported into her world

歌うことで人々を仮想空間〝ウタワールド〟へ導く能力

The ability to lead people into the virtual space “Uta World” through singing.

Everything else outside of that wouldn't be the effects/timeframe of transporting them into her space

 

[That_moron2]

That weakness is such a bad weakness... The "effects" seem to be instant, as you even said... The "6 seconds" is the persons own reactionaly movements, closing their eyes and such... You can be asleep/unconscious while having your eyes open, would have nothing to do with Uta but the person their effecting

It shouldn't even be a weakness to begin with
It legit says if she sings, you get transported into her world

Everything else outside of that wouldn't be the effects/timeframe of transporting them into her space

Nothing in that passage says its instant. Also its pretty much impossible to be asleep and standing up

 

[Mickey1940]

what's the point of getting all of uta's matches removed if she's still treated exactly the same as before the key separation

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nothing in that passage says its instant.

Explain to me how the effects wouldn't be instant when she's transporting their "spirit/conscious" into a virtual space when she's singing... That would be like saying law's shambles effect isn't instant

Like we literally see the effects from her being instant when she's singing (Haven't seen the movie tho so can't link much)

Also its pretty much impossible to be asleep and standing up

She's controlling their body

ウタの意識に取り込まれると、現実世界には体だけが残る(その体はウタの支配下にあるため、現実世界で意のままに操ることもできる)。

Once absorbed into Uta's consciousness, only the body remains in the real world (since the body is under Uta's control, it can be manipulated at will in the real world).

 

[That_moron2]

Explain to me how the effects wouldn't be instant when she's transporting their "spirit/conscious" into a virtual space when she's singing... That would be like saying law's shambles effect isn't instant

Absolutely not. It says she transports people's souls, nothing about how long that takes

Like we literally see the effects from her being instant when she's singing (Haven't seen the movie tho so can't link much)

They're already in Uta World in both these instances

She's controlling their body

She's controlling their body to stand up, and then fall down and then get back and fight for her? That doesn't make sense

 

[That_moron2]

what's the point of getting all of uta's matches removed if she's still treated exactly the same as before the key separation

She got her stats changed as well and a new weakness, but I think you meant to put that in the vs removal thread

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Absolutely not. It says she transports people's souls, nothing about how long that takes

Transported to a separate space, if it takes 6 seconds so many characters would've been able to stop her by that time... It isn't like this at all

They're already in Uta World in both these instances

That's still the effects of her the devil fruit when she's singing

 

[That_moron2]

Transported to a separate space, if it takes 6 seconds so many characters would've been able to stop her by that time... It isn't like this at all

Nobody even knew it was happening

That's still the effects of her the devil fruit when she's singing

She can do all that stuff thought based. Putting someone to sleep and using creations are not the same

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nobody even knew it was happening

Sensing that Uta was about to sing, Momonga immediately reacted with an “Oops!” and took out his ear muffs. These were headphone-type earplugs designed to counter Uta, equipped with noise-canceling and sound-blocking functions. The marines were also issued the same ones.

With these on, Uta's singing voice wouldn't reach him—Momonga stood before Uta triumphantly.

“If I can block your singing voice, you're powerless.”

　ウタが歌おうとする気配を察し、モモンガは「おっとォ！」と即座に反応して、イヤーマフを取り出した。ウタに対抗するため作られた、ヘッドフォン型の遮しや音おん機能付き耳みみ栓せんだ。海兵たちも同じものを支給されている。

　これを装着していれば、ウタの歌声は届かない――モモンガは勝ち誇ってウタと対たい峙じした。

「歌声さえ塞ふさげば、貴様は無力だ」

If it took time, Momonga wouldn't need to react immediately beforehand

Nobody even knew it was happening

She can do all that stuff thought based. Putting someone to sleep and using creations are not the same

It would legit work the same way apoo devil fruit works

 

[That_moron2]

I was referring to the initial events that set off the film. Regardless, that doesn't support your assertion that Uta's ability to put people to sleep is instant at all. We don't even see Momonga get put to sleep iirc. The ONLY time we see someone get put to sleep it took her six seconds to actually make them pass out

 

[That_moron2]

Anyway, there's a case to be made that upon Uta's singing Quanxi would become too tired to actually reach her and that even if she doesn't instantly get sent to Uta World she does instantly become unable to resist during the time it takes to be sent to Uta World

 

[That_moron2]

Anyway, there's a case to be made that upon Uta's singing Quanxi would become too tired to actually reach her and that even if she doesn't instantly get sent to Uta World she does instantly become unable to resist during the time it takes to be sent to Uta World

Quanxi's superhuman stamina means that she'd be resistant to initial drowsiness though, so I think I'll go with her. Uta might have a better shot at attempting SI, but her first move in character is using her DF. I'll go with Quanxi unless good args for Uta pop up

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The ONLY time we see someone get put to sleep it took her six seconds to actually make them pass out

Bro couldn't resist or do anything at all... He legit looks like a mindless body until he instantly feel asleep, the consciousness eyes (the light on his eye) instantly vanished...

 

[That_moron2]

Bro couldn't resist or do anything at all... He legit looks like a mindless body until he instantly feel asleep (the consciousness eyes, the light on his eye) instantly vanished...

He was still awake, just too drowsy to actually do anything. Someone with superhuman stamina could potentially fight through that

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He was still awake, just too drowsy to actually do anything. Someone with superhuman stamina could potentially fight through that

Your body forcibly shutting down doesn't depend on stamina, it's a control to one's own body to sleep... But her transporting his consciousness was basically instant in that clip

 

[That_moron2]

Your body forcibly shutting down doesn't depend on stamina, it's a control to one's own body to sleep... But her transporting his consciousness was basically instant

How quickly you get tired is dependent on stamina, your consciousness is transported at the same time you fall asleep, but he clearly wasn't asleep since he was still standing up

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How quickly you get tired is dependent on stamina

Sleeping doesn't require you to be tired... Sleeping comes from the mind shutting down, how would stamina prevent your own body shutting down

your consciousness is transported at the same time you fall asleep, but he clearly wasn't asleep since he was still standing up

Ok so it was instant whenever she wanted to transported him after the drowsy part...

 

[That_moron2]

Ok so it was instant whenever she wanted to transported him after the drowsy part...

Not what I said at all? I'm arguing the effect is gradual

Sleeping doesn't require you to be tired... Sleeping comes from the mind shutting down, how would stamina prevent your own body shutting down

Greater stamina would allow you to move better as you are nearing passing out yes

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Greater stamina would allow you to move better as you are nearing passing out yes

No... If you're body is shutting down, your shutting down... Stamina has no effect on that. Stamina amount would work if it's based on physical work being done over and over, your own body shutting down on its own would make you unable to use any of your stamina

Not what I said at all? I'm arguing the effect is gradual

And it wasn't... Drowsiness was always seen as active, and her transporting him at the same time as her finishing note was instant

 

[That_moron2]

No... If you're body is shutting down, your shutting down... Stamina has no effect on that. Stamina amount would work if it's based on physical work being done over and over, your own body shutting down on its own you make you unable to use any of your stamina

Yes it does. Endurance/Stamina is literally treated as being able to push through effects such as your body shutting down on this site.

And it wasn't... Drowsiness was nearly instant and her transporting him the same time as her finishing note, was instant

He became drowsy, his eyes rolled up, and he fell over over the course of 6 seconds. No part of that is him instantly falling asleep.

Actually from the time Uta began singing to the time he became unable to fight back was several seconds. More time than it would take for Quanxi to just kill her

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yes it does. Endurance/Stamina is literally treated as being able to push through effects such as your body shutting down on this site.

Endurance and Stamina isn't the same so idk why you named both of them, your body shutting down and unconsciousness is different

He became drowsy, his eyes rolled up, and he fell over over the course of 6 seconds. No part of that is him instantly falling asleep.

Your calculating the time of his body movements... Not her effect

Actually from the time Uta began singing to the time he became unable to fight back was several seconds. More time than it would take for Quanxi to just kill her

Why couldn't Momanga, who also used precog to immediately put on noise cancellation, just stop her instead?

 

[That_moron2]

Endurance and Stamina isn't the same so idk why you named both of them, your body shutting down and unconsciousness is different

We treat them in the same category.

Your calculating the time of his body movements... Not her effect

Same thing

Why couldn't Momanga, who also used precog to instantly put on noise cancelation, instead just stop her?

She already had several puppets at that point and Momonga had been ordered not to hurt them by Issho

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

We treat them in the same category.

No we don't... Endurance can use stamina to resist the pain or something along that line but it ultimately doesn't go hand in hand. You can endure something without using stamina

Same thing

No... That would be like trying to "debunk" instant death ability by calculating the body movements of it shutting down and falling...

She already had several puppets at that point and Momonga had been ordered not to hurt them by Issho

Ok? He could've just ignore them...? Plus she wasn't singing at that point

 

[That_moron2]

No we don't... Endurance can use stamina to resist the pain or something along that line but it ultimately doesn't go hand in hand. You can endure something without using stamina

Semantics. We described both endurance and stamina feats in the stamina section of pages. Quanxi has feats for both of these things.

No... That would be like trying to "debunk" instant death ability by calculating the body movements of it shutting down...

If the guy didn't instantly die and instead gradually his body shut down? Then no its not instant death at all.

Ok? He could've just ignore them...? Plus she wasn't singing at that point

Its clear you didn't watch the movie. He couldn't just ignore her puppets they were actively attacking him

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Semantics. We described both endurance and stamina feats in the stamina section of pages. Quanxi has feats for both of these things.

Has nothing to do with Semantics and you ignored everything I said...

If the guy didn't instantly die and instead gradually his body shut down? Then no its not instant death at all.

Then you don't understand biology, your body functions independently from ones mind... Even if your dead, your body will still be working until it shuts down fully

Its clear you didn't watch the movie. He couldn't just ignore her puppets they were actively attacking him

Yee I didn't watch the movie (I already said that)... I'm just reading from the film red novel lol...

Seeing the context momanga is max 2 meters away from her, instead of stopping her from singing, they all immediately put on the head gear tho they might've been hesitant to attack her I guess,

Either way her devil fruit effects are still always shown to be instant, their body movements shutting down is not the speed of her ability effecting them

 

[That_moron2]

Seeing the context momanga is max 2 meters away from her, instead of stopping her from singing, they all immediately put on the head gear tho they might've been hesitant to attack her I guess,

This is because she already had people under her control and killing her essentially kills them too.

Either way her devil fruit effects are still always shown to be instant, their body movements shutting down is not the speed of her ability effecting them

No it isn’t. The guy didn’t actually go to Uta World for a full few seconds

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

give me a summary of thy win cons

 

[GodEarh206]

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

fat shark

 

[Gamecooob]

what stops Uta from just sprinting away while singing? Quanxi is gonna be drowsy instantly anyway, so like... ???
She ain't "fleeing", if we accept that it DOES take like 6 secs to make someone go zzz, why not just stall lol.

 

[That_moron2]

what stops Uta from just sprinting away while singing? Quanxi is gonna be drowsy instantly anyway, so like... ???
She ain't "fleeing", if we accept that it DOES take like 6 secs to make someone go zzz, why not just stall lol.

If Uta runs, Quanxi can transform and shoot arrows at her

 

[Gamecooob]

If Uta runs, Quanxi can transform and shoot arrows at her

In under 6 seconds? When she's already drowsy, which could 100% just throw off her aim in the first place? And also, she has to consciously make the decision to transform and THEN shoot arrows, which also take time to travel.

 

[That_moron2]

Quanxi also has all 3 types of acrobatics so that could help her catch up, or even over take Uta before she gets too far by virtue of accelerating faster, although she'll also slow down as she gets more tired. I'll go with Uta actually

 

[That_moron2]

give me a summary of thy win cons

Uta sings for 6 seconds and Quanxi falls asleep or uses SI to pacify her.
Quanxi runs up to Uta and cuts her head off.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I think Uta FRA?

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Quanxi, her wincon seems more logical