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Massive Johnny Test CRT (The Whips Are Back!)

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Yep. You heard that right. The notorious Johnny Test glazer is back with another CRT, and boy did I cook a gourmet meal for everyone! Let's not waste any time and get right into it.

In the original calc, there were a couple of glaring issues that I had with it that needed to be fixed.

First things first, Bambu wasn't able to find any info on how big Porkbelly really is, so he just used a scaling image he found (or made idk) to use as a reference.

However, that image grossly (and I mean grossly) underestimates how big Porkbelly is. In fact, I found two statements in the show that implies that Porkbelly is far bigger.

In a season 2 episode, the military created a Electro Sonic Pulsar, that, when activated, can send a 1 million gigawatt pulse 100 miles wide, creating an implosion so strong, it can wipe out an entire city's power. This is the first implication shown in the series that Porkbelly is 100 miles wide.

In a season 5 episode, the military created a dog that, when threatened, can set off a neutron bomb within themselves that will destroy everything within a 100 mile radius. So, another implication that shows Porkbelly is 100 miles wide. It's also stated that the dog has to be stopped before it "blows Porkbelly off the map".

So yeah, instead of the city only being a measly 553.89 meters, it should be far higher than that (specifically 100 miles wide).

And the second thing this calc gets wrong is the temperature. Bambu just uses the average Winter and Summer temperatures for Ontario instead of using actual statements coming from the episode.

Mr. Black and Mr. White state that Brain Freezer lowered the temperature to -50°F (~-45.56°C), however in a later scene, Brain Freezer lowers the temperature even more, though it's never started how cold it actually, so we'll have to use -45.56°C as a lowball. The Summer temperature Bambu used (25 C) is completely fine, though.

So in reality, Johnny turned the temperature from -45.56°C to 25°C in an instant, so that's actually a 70.56°C change in an instant across a 100 mile area.

So yeah, to say this calculation needed to be redone is a bit of an understatement.

Fortunately for me, the calc did get redone (shout out to my boi @Kachon123), and this’ll result in upgrades for the verse, specifically for the Johnny X and Super Dukey keys.


Edit: So the 7-A+ calc is invalid now due to the size of Porkbelly (100 miles wide) being inaccurate, so now we're relying on this calc, which will result in 6-C Johnny X and Super Dukey

On the topic of Johnny and Dukey’s profiles, there’s one thing that needs to be removed that I should’ve done a while back: Removing the “Varies” and the “High 8-C” value from their profiles.

There are no statements, implications, or explanations for why Johnny and Dukey are so inconsistent, therefore “Varies” and “High 8-C” should be removed from their profiles, which will now mean their profiles should look like this:

Johnny Test:
Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level (Can trade blows with those who can harm him, Survived this explosion. Destroyed the Test house), likely Town level+ (Can easily hurt Bling-Bling Boy, who can survive this); Small Town level to Small City level with Bionic Arm (Increased Johnny's power by 3000%), higher with Super Strength Milkshake; Large Planet level+ with Portable Black Hole (Has a black hole that was able to move the Earth with this much force) | Island level (Far stronger than his base form. Performed a Power Poot that was stated to be 200 Megatons. Destroyed Porkbelly with his Hurricane Hands. Dispersed an entire snowstorm. Created an explosion that engulfed Porkbelly with his Power Poots)

Striking Strength: Multi-City Block level, likely Town level+. Small Town level to Small City level with Bionic Arm | Island level

Durability: Multi-City Block level, likely Town level+ (Has survived the destruction of the Test House on several occasions) | Island level (Was completely fine after being in the destruction of Porkbelly. Survived a Power Poot explosion done by himself, Dukey, and The General, which should be 600 Megatons, with no injuries)

Dukey:
Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level (Comparable to Johnny, who deflected a blast, which caused a devastating explosion that he survived. Survived the destruction of the Test’s House), likely Town level+ (Can easily hurt Bling-Bling Boy, who can survive this). Small Town level to Small City level with Bionic Arm (Increases Dukey’s power by 3000%), higher with Super Strength Milkshake. Large Planet level+ with Portable Black Hole (Has a black hole that was able to move the Earth with this much force) | Island level (Comparable to Johnny X, who performed a Power Poot that was stated to be 200 Megatons, as well as dispersed an entire snowstorm. Created an explosion that engulfed Porkbelly with his Power Poots)

Striking Strength: Multi-City Block level, likely Town level+. Small Town level to Small City level with Bionic Arm | Island level

Durability: Multi-City Block level, likely Town level+ (Has survived the destruction of the Test House on several occasions) | Island level (Was completely fine after being in the destruction of Porkbelly. Survived a Power Poot explosion done by himself, Johnny, and The General, which should be 600 Megatons, with no injuries)

For context, I added the “At least” part to because the calc Johnny X and Super Dukey scales to was lowballed for these reasons:

“Mr. Black and Mr. White state that Brain Freezer lowered the temperature to -50°F (~-45.56°C), however in a later scene, Brain Freezer lowers the temperature even more, though it's never stated how cold it actually is, so we'll have to use -45.56°C as a lowball. The Summer temperature Bambu used (25 C) is completely fine, though.”

-45.56°C was used as a lowball, so that’s why “At least Mountain level+” is necessary.

Okay, now that the main course is done, let’s go over the little parts:

There are some tweaks to both Johnny and Dukey’s intelligence section that I feel like making, especially Dukey.

Johnny Test:
Intelligence: Average normally. Gifted in combat (Johnny is, to an extent, a simple-minded person, usually acting without reason or thought. His reckless antics are usually the main cause of problems in Porkbelly. He is also horrendous at school, as he thought that 2+2 equaled monster truck, and he spelled the word "go" as "geaux". He has also received a lot of bad grades in school, though this mainly stems from laziness. However, Johnny's not a complete idiot. In some instances, he has shown to be capable of outsmarting Susan and Mary, who are geniuses, and while more often than not, he'll use fear tactics instead of sheer wit to "outsmart" his sisters, he has shown to be capable of using other methods other than fear tactics to outsmart his sisters. He's also well-versed in using reverse psychology, as well as guilt tripping in order to get his way. He's also shown to be an excellent cleaner, such as when he cleaned up rubble from his destroyed house, as well as cleaned the entire downstairs. However, Johnny excels in combat, being skilled in martial arts like karate and kung-fu. It has been revealed that the Test family shares Ninja heritage, which gives him all the basic abilities of a Ninja. He has also shown to have very good precision, as shown when he was about to use a rope to lasso a blimp before he got stopped from doing so, accurately throwing a lozenge into Bling-Bling's mouth, and popping 2 water balloons with a badge while blind. He has also shown to use his extensive knowledge on video games and apply it to combat, such as when he casually solo'd multiple robot enemies in simulation training, even earning compliments from The General himself. He, along with the help of a few others, were able to defeat a bunch of rogue Penguins, who were able to solo the entire military force and capture the country of Argentina in a relatively short time frame with no experience whatsoever. Despite his bully, Bumper Randalls, being stronger than him and becoming bloodlusted, Johnny was able to defeat and pacify him by using his environment to his advantage and exploiting his weaknesses. Despite being portrayed and/or perceived as dim-witted, ignorant, and reckless, more often than not, Johnny is usually the one who comes up with many clever and creative plans that end up saving the day. Despite the Gil Bots having adaptive technology, which caused them to find a solution to cover their weakness, he immediately thought of a plan where he’d use Dukey as bait to lure the Gil Bot to a water tower so he can short circuit it. After the Super Smarty Pants kidnapped Janet, Johnny immediately goes to the lab and retrieves what he thought was the Hairdo Ray and uses it to destroy the Smarty Pants. He remembered that the Pants were made of hair, and the Hairdo Ray made his hair fall out earlier, so he realized that the Hairdo Ray would have the same effect on the Pants. He intentionally broke a plant after remembering that Bling-Bling Boy’s mom subtly warned him that he’d be in a lot of trouble if he made one more loud noise. This distraction allowed Johnny and Dukey to escape Bling-Bling Island and retrieve Susan and Mary’s shoes. Quickly formed a plan to defeat Mr. Mittens by using a bunch of garage equipment. Johnny is a surprisingly quick and clever thinker when his back is against the wall)

Dukey:
Intelligence: Genius (Is easily much smarter than Johnny and most of the other characters in the series. Directly stated to be a genius by the show itself. Knows a lot about a variety of subjects, such as geography, world history, math, and literature. Usually gives great advice and is usually the one with the most common sense out of everyone in the show, often knowing when there’s danger approaching or when something suspicious is happening. He’s fluent in several different languages, including Chinese. Skilled in singing, as well as playing several musical instruments, including the violin, electric guitar, and trombone. He’s also a very skilled hand-to-hand fighter, as he was programmed with the DNA of Kung Fu masters, and he can fight on par with Johnny, who was stated to have Ninja DNA, as well as himself stating he’s knowledgeable in Karate)

Quick Note: The words in bold are the extra additions I made to their intelligence sections.

Another relatively minor addition to this pretty big CRT is Johnny and Dukey’s range in their Johnny X and Super Dukey keys.

As stated in the very beginning, it’s implied two times that Porkbelly is 100 miles wide, and both Johnny X and Super Dukey have done attacks that have either engulfed, destroyed, or stretched out as far as Porkbelly.

Johnny X: Performed a Power Poot that was stated to be 200 Megatons. Destroyed Porkbelly with his Hurricane Hands. Melted snow that covered the entire city.

Super Dukey: Created an explosion that engulfed Porkbelly with his Power Poots.

Granted, Super Dukey’s attack was done with three people, but keep in mind they all had the ability to Power Poot a massive explosion like Johnny did earlier, which resulted in a 200-Megaton explosion that destroyed and stretched past Porkbelly, so the fact that an even bigger explosion was caused with two more people implies that Dukey can perform the same 200-Megaton explosion Johnny did by himself, too.

So, now that we have a given size for Porkbelly, Johnny and Dukey’s range section should look like this:

Johnny Test:
Range: Standard Melee Range, Several Meters with Air Manipulation, Hundreds of Kilometers as Johnny X

Dukey:
Range: Standard Melee Range, Hundreds of Kilometers as Super Dukey.

To keep it brief, 100 miles (the size of Porkbelly) is roughly 160.934 Kilometers, which just puts Johnny X and Super Dukey in the “Hundreds of Kilometers” group. Neato.

So yeah. That’s everything.

Edit: So this CRT needed a huge overhaul.

So the 7-A+ calc is invalid now due to the size of Porkbelly (100 miles wide) being inaccurate, so now we're relying on this calc, which will result in 6-C Johnny X and Super Dukey

Also, a minor change in the tiers for Johnny and Dukey's base form. Instead of "8-A to 7-C", it should be "8-A, likely 7-C" since the "Varies" tier was removed, and the "to" implies that Johnny and Dukey's base form variates between those tiers

Thirdly, I need to create separate tabbers for Johnny's 'General Intelligence' as well as his 'Combat Skill/Intelligence'

Lastly, Johnny X and Super Dukey's "Hundreds of Kilometers" range is now invalid due to the 7-A+ calc being incorrect, so back to "Several Kilometers" you go.

TL;DR: “Island level” Johnny Test, “Varies” and “High 8-C” tiers should be removed, Intelligence section for Johnny and Dukey fixed

Agree
: @DaReaperMan (Agrees with 6-C tiering, "Varies" and "High 8-C" removal, as well as range), @LephyrTheRevanchist (Agrees with 6-C tiering, "Varies and "High 8-C" removal, as well as range), @Nierre (Agrees with 6-C tiering, "Varies" and "High 8-C" removal, as well as range)

Disagree: @LephyrTheRevanchist (Suggests that Johnny's intelligence section needs separate tabbers for 'General Intelligence' and 'Combat Skill/Intelligence'. Suggests "7-C" as opposed to "8-A, likely 7-C"), @Nierre (Suggests that Johnny's intelligence section needs separate tabbers for 'General Intelligence' and 'Combat Skill/Intelligence'. Suggests "7-C" as opposed to "8-A, likely 7-C")

Neutral:
 
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Remove the "gifted" thing from combat intelligence:
Unlike general intelligence, combat skill is not ranked on a scale with labels like "Genius" or "Supergenius." Due to the many factors involved, a simple rating system would fail to accurately capture a character's combat proficiency. For instance, it wouldn’t make sense to say someone who can learn any real-world martial art by watching it for a minute is necessarily superior to someone who has mastered a single martial art to a superhuman level. These are different types of skill that can’t be easily compared.

Using one-word ratings for combat skill could lead to misunderstandings, as a higher rating wouldn’t always mean that a character is objectively more skilled than someone with a lower rating. To avoid this confusion and better represent a character's abilities, we omit such ratings.
Combat Skill

As per replacing the calc...
If there exist conflicting accepted calculations for the same feat, the calc group members should discuss which ones that are most reliable to use in their own forum. The calc group is free to ask for relevant information from reliable members, by using the knowledgeable members list for verses or the associated verse page list of supporters. After a decision has been reached, and the most reliable calculations have been selected, a discussion should be started in the content revision forum to decide which characters that should scale to the feats.
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So you should've made a calc group thread first. Nevertheless, I will tag a couple of calc group members to gain their opinions.

@Mr. Bambu (since you made the original calc) @Dalesean027 (since you accepted the recent one) @Damage3245 (since you accepted the original) @Armorchompy @SeijiSetto
 
I would agree that the calc as is probably is smaller than Porkbelly's actual size, but I would strongly disagree with the interpretation that Porkbelly is 100 miles wide. That's absurdly large, as in, larger than the largest cities on Earth. And the statement doesn't actually say it is that size- it says that the pulse will be 100 miles wide, and that will wipe out the city's power grid. Those are two separate statements.

I don't mind the changes to temperature. But the 100 mile figure is blatantly incorrect.
 
There is something that I forgot that may or may not change anything...


Someone calc'd this feat years back, but they used a different method (storm dispersion method).

Does this calc need to be addressed, too, or should we just focus on the one we were originally talking about?
 
There is something that I forgot that may or may not change anything...


Someone calc'd this feat years back, but they used a different method (storm dispersion method).

Does this calc need to be addressed, too, or should we just focus on the one we were originally talking about?
I genuinely don't remember if Amelia was a CGM. If not, then it wouldn't be strictly necessary to deal with that, as it would be an unevaluated calc.
 
Yeah I accepted the math alone on the basis that the 100 mile diameter is the size of Porkbelly but yeah if that's not true then I obviously rescind my approval
 
If you’re removing the Varies tier, why do you still have him at 8-A to 7-C as opposed to just picking one or making him 8-A, likely 7-C? Unless I’m missing something, that’s still a variable tier.
 
Okay, so what should we use for the size of Porkbelly? Use the size of the average city?

@Amelia_Lonelyheart was a former CGM at the time so I think it was fine at the time before retiring and all.

Edit:

Posted a blog link so I corrected it now. Whoops
Well, since that calc was approved by a CGM, how would we incorporate that?

If you’re removing the Varies tier, why do you still have him at 8-A to 7-C as opposed to just picking one or making him 8-A, likely 7-C? Unless I’m missing something, that’s still a variable tier.
"8-A, likely 7-C" would work then if "8-A to 7-C" contradicts the removal of the "Varies" tier.
 
Can you show me an example of how this would look on Johnny's profile? I never done this before.
Just the same as Dukey's intelligence, leave them all together under the "average" rating in the case of Johnny. Or if you want them separated, you can put the combat intelligence in a separate tabber like this (and as you can see, many profiles need to be revised to remove the intelligence ratings from combat skill, is a work in progress)
 
Just the same as Dukey's intelligence, leave them all together under the "average" rating in the case of Johnny. Or if you want them separated, you can put the combat intelligence in a separate tabber like this (and as you can see, many profiles need to be revised to remove the intelligence ratings from combat skill, is a work in progress)
I'll try and go with the method of using tabbers for Johnny's intelligence section.
 
So we do one of two things:


We either redo this calc again by using an actual proper size for Porkbelly instead of a huge overestimate and a gross underestimate (third times the charm ig).


Or, since this calc was accepted years ago by a CGM, we incorporate this calc instead (aka the 'easier' method).
 
Does this mean we get more Johnny matches or submissions in tourneys?
Idk lol

My main focus was just getting this CRT over and done with, though with the current state this thread is in, it might take a while (plus I'm the only supporter, so you're going to see me yap a bit here).
 
Other than that, everything looks fine.
Everything's not fine lol

I gotta redo the 7-A+ stuff, and I can't do that until everyone comes to a consensus on what the best method is:

So we do one of two things:


We either redo this calc again by using an actual proper size for Porkbelly instead of a huge overestimate and a gross underestimate (third times the charm ig).


Or, since this calc was accepted years ago by a CGM, we incorporate this calc instead (aka the 'easier' method).
 
So we do one of two things:


We either redo this calc again by using an actual proper size for Porkbelly instead of a huge overestimate and a gross underestimate (third times the charm ig).


Or, since this calc was accepted years ago by a CGM, we incorporate this calc instead (aka the 'easier' method).
Does anyone else have any opinions on what method should we approach this?
 
So we do one of two things:


We either redo this calc again by using an actual proper size for Porkbelly instead of a huge overestimate and a gross underestimate (third times the charm ig).


Or, since this calc was accepted years ago by a CGM, we incorporate this calc instead (aka the 'easier' method).
We should do the former, but we'd need to figure out a good value to use for Porkbelly. I don't suppose they ever mention Porkbelly's population?
 
We should do the former, but we'd need to figure out a good value to use for Porkbelly. I don't suppose they ever mention Porkbelly's population?
They never mention Porkbelly's population, so if we're going to redo that calc, then we'll most likely have to make an assumption
 
They never mention Porkbelly's population, so if we're going to redo that calc, then we'll most likely have to make an assumption
Hm.

Ignoring obvious outliers and weird situations, do we ever see the tallest buildings in the city? We might be able to ballpark based on that? Skyscrapers and such tend to grow larger and more numerous the bigger the city is, after all.
 
Hm.

Ignoring obvious outliers and weird situations, do we ever see the tallest buildings in the city? We might be able to ballpark based on that? Skyscrapers and such tend to grow larger and more numerous the bigger the city is, after all.
Maybe this one?

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Gonna estimate that tallest one to be about eight stories, maybe nine with the weird tip, and the other group there aren't far below it. I'll try and look into what that might translate into in terms of size.
 
Gonna estimate that tallest one to be about eight stories, maybe nine with the weird tip, and the other group there aren't far below it. I'll try and look into what that might translate into in terms of size.
We're going from 7-A+ to Low 7-B with this one 🔥
 
(There is less information available online regarding density of lowrise buildings vs population than one might have hoped, I'm out of good ideas for this)
 
So we do one of two things:


We either redo this calc again by using an actual proper size for Porkbelly instead of a huge overestimate and a gross underestimate (third times the charm ig).


Or, since this calc was accepted years ago by a CGM, we incorporate this calc instead (aka the 'easier' method).
Damn so does that mean we have to go with the 'easier' method and get Tier 6 Johnny Test 😭
 
I would definitely prefer if a more current calc group member could evaluate that, but in lack of better options, so be it.
 
I would definitely prefer if a more current calc group member could evaluate that, but in lack of better options, so be it.

Yeah I accepted the math alone on the basis that the 100 mile diameter is the size of Porkbelly but yeah if that's not true then I obviously rescind my approval
(There is less information available online regarding density of lowrise buildings vs population than one might have hoped, I'm out of good ideas for this)

Bambu or Dale could you evaluate this calc since the CGM who evaluated it years back is no longer here?
 
Alright, so to summarize everything:

"At least Mountain level+" Johnny X and Super Dukey is no longer a thing due to the redux calc being completely invalid, and now we potentially have to use a different calc'd version of the feat, which could result in 6-C Johnny X and Super Dukey.

Replace "8-A to 7-C" with "8-A, likely 7-C" due to the "Varies" tier being removed.

Make separate tabbers for Johnny's 'General Intelligence' and 'Combat Skill/Intelligence'.

Tweaking the range section for Johnny and Dukey is completely invalid now due to the 7-A+ calc being incorrect.
 
Alright, so to summarize everything:

"At least Mountain level+" Johnny X and Super Dukey is no longer a thing due to the redux calc being completely invalid, and now we potentially have to use a different calc'd version of the feat, which could result in 6-C Johnny X and Super Dukey.

Replace "8-A to 7-C" with "8-A, likely 7-C" due to the "Varies" tier being removed.

Make separate tabbers for Johnny's 'General Intelligence' and 'Combat Skill/Intelligence'.

Tweaking the range section for Johnny and Dukey is completely invalid now due to the 7-A+ calc being incorrect.
Straight 7-C is fine with me, btw. No need to list the low end. But if others prefer to list the lower end feats anyways, that's fine too.
 
Just the same as Dukey's intelligence, leave them all together under the "average" rating in the case of Johnny. Or if you want them separated, you can put the combat intelligence in a separate tabber like this (and as you can see, many profiles need to be revised to remove the intelligence ratings from combat skill, is a work in progress)
Couldn't you have used the example profile I put on that thread instead of Settra lmfao

Anyways, with the intelligence boondoggling out of the way, I agree with this thread.
 
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