Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Lycoris4812]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Its true.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Well, she IS 70+ tho, as a human...
Do whatever you want with that information; disappears into the void

 

[MeiouHades]

That's also a valid option. And how about discussing the stuff here in advance before moving it to a thread to avoid over-filling it with text walls?

Yeah, that's a good approach, we do this for every major thread too. You can tag me if you need any help or clarification on Low 1-C or higher scaling or even just my opinion.

Despite my trolling attempts with @Lycoris4812, I will agree with good evidence which IMO actually is present in Tensura paired with the right argument.

 

[Lycoris4812]

For magic layers we only accept its cm and law hax, not its more specific stuff like ee, right? So what do we need for it to also include stuff like ee?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

For magic layers we only accept its cm and law hax, not its more specific stuff like ee, right? So what do we need for it to also include stuff like ee?

Something like one EE not being able to erase someone at all while another EE doing so. Like the difference between True Dragon Haki and Demon Lord key Rimuru's Aura EE in Volume 10.

Despite my trolling attempts with @Lycoris4812

Aye, no problem with a troller like our good old @Robo432343

Yeah, that's a good approach, we do this for every major thread too. You can tag me if you need any help or clarification on Low 1-C or higher scaling or even just my opinion.

Alright then, shall we start? I'll be quoting this post of yours. First off, source of all my scans (unless specified to be translated by staff) is this.

Now this part. It's well-know and even well-established that merely having a "higher time" is not enough to qualify for a hypertimeline. This is because you fundamentally misunderstand what a higher timeline/hypertimeline actually is. Look no further than this statement right here:

In the absence of contradictory evidence, timelines are assumed to share the same time axis i.e. the same dimension of time. Note that sharing the same temporal axis does not mean that they would be connected in any way, as it only means that their time flows in the same direction. It's like how two people can both move in the same direction without their paths ever meeting, as long as they started in different places.

You see the issue here? It's not enough to be a hypertimeline by just being "higher", you must prove definitively that the direction of time is DIFFERENT (aka moves on a different axis compared to a normal world-line), and has a different temporal axis. A structure "containing" all timelines that also happens to have some form of time of its own is very barebones evidence and while it can act as supporting evidence, the main argument still has to be about the direction or the axis of time here which you haven't really talked about anywhere as far as I see. So, I disagree with this based off of absence of evidence. To help you understand better, this is what you need to prove:

Well, that also ignores this part of the FAQ:

Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.

And this, as said, includes the retroactive destruction of space-time. Also per a few of @Qawsedf234's posts:

Ultimately speaking the only way this is Low 1-C is assuming that the universe was destroyed retroactively. As in the entire timeline he was in was deleted from start to finish. Which isn't provided by the blog. - Source

Unless he's returning to a space that was retroactively destroyed he can always jump backwards towards it. If it was wiped out completely, as in time no longer existed in any capacity as described here, then its Low 1-C. If you can't show that I can't agree with an upgrade. If you can then there's a hyper-timeline present. - Source

I'm not seeing it being retroactively destroyed here. It ends, but does it end the entire way through. To get a hyper timeline you need Scenario C and I'm not seeing that being presented her. - Source

So the essence here is retroactive destruction and a state of "before and after" said destruction where time still flows. And well, Yuuki did just that, destroying the space-time continuum as a whole.

《That’s right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki’s attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn’t yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn’t destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki’s lifespan had come to an end. However, I can’t judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.》
Chapter 248

Now, is there any other supporting evidence of a different direction of time? Of course, and for that I'll be quoting other parts of your post before.

Another thing you can do, if there's no direct evidence of orthogonality, is to at least show some evidence that each world-line or timeline has it's unique origin point (i.e. serviced by its own time dimension). If you can do that, that also basically serves to prove that the 4D world-lines and the would-be 5D timeline has different directions/axes without explicit evidence or statements of orthogonality. So really, you actually have 3 ways to argue this and you did none of those in your blog so I cannot in good faith agree with this but I'll see if you have some additional evidence to meet at least one of these.

And yes, we do have some examples of this. And quoting the FAQ before presenting scans:

Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that special time travel can go to prior versions of the timelines instead of the past. The keyword in the latter case is time travel, as that specifies that the action happens through movement through something like time. Note that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.

Basically, Chloe initially had the ability to travel in time, but this was specifically ONLY the ability to go to the past of the same world-line.

Chloe spoke while taking a sip of the black tea that had been prepared by the maid.
The “Remembered Past and Future[3]” that she know.
Last time, or the time she leapt so many times.
Even with the fragment of the Hero’s last bit of power that fused with Chloe, she can’t convey the knowledge to herself at the time of Spirit Summoning by Rimuru.
The ability she obtained was, Unique Skill『Time Travel』, the power to do a limited leap to the past.
It’s a one way trip, and the conditions to use this ability are complicated and its use is limited.
Last time (Or every time), Chloe killed Hinata and leapt to the past.
When she returned from the long time-travel and woke up, she killed Hinata.
It should have been a fate that was repeated without changing.
Chapter 125

It’s a compound effect of Unique Skill 『Infinity Prison』 and Unique Skill 『Time Travel』.
Time has an absolute compelling force that keeps it following in a decided manner which can be referred to as Time Prison. That is how Chloe traveled through time.
Chapter 125
{Note: As said, Time is an absolute compelling force that flows "in a decided manner" (in one direction), and initially, that's how she travelled in Time to the past, past of the same world-line. Also, I decided to bing-search what Time Prison is and this is the closest to what I got.}

But later her abilities evolved:

――She awoke the Ultimate Skill 『Space-Time King (Yog-Sothoth)』――
Thanks to this ability she was able to recall the future memory.
It’s a thing that Chloe from previous iterations was not able to do.
Originally, Hinata’s 『Mathematician』 and 『Usurper』 were unified with 『Absolute Severance』 and 『Infinity Prison』 and she acquired Ultimate Skill 『Hope King (Sariel)』.
This time, she absorbed the energy from Hinata’s Soul without a problem, so she could remain without being mixed, and Hinata’s soul could be revived in pure form.
What it brought was an absolute power that rules over time and space.
It was the awakening of two abilities called Ultimate Skill 『Space-Time King (Yog-Sothoth)』 and 『Hope King (Sariel)』.
Chloe who awoke this ability and obtained an ability to memorize and repeat the time she spent on this moment again and again.
During combat, she was able to start over again after she saw the enemy’s attack.
That absolute superiority Chloe had, made Hero Chloe becomes the strongest existence.

Now, this memorization is basically a reference to Reading Steiner (the ability to remember events from other world-lines), and after obtaining the ability, she was able to travel, ONLY THIS TIME, to different world-lines entirely.

Author’s Note
Explanation time. I wrote it and was confused.
I notice that the consistency was sketchy and I couldn’t write freely when I began to think about the concept of time.
Though it almost got mixed up several times, but is it alright?
I pray that there will be no fatal mistakes found in there.
This time Chloe succeeded in moving the world’s time-line!
Isn’t the world’s time-line volatility change by about 1%?
By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!
Chapter 125

Per what Seiji said here, the correct translation is "World-Line". So the whole line will become:

This time Chloe succeeded in moving the world-lines!

Yet even then, the ability to move to different world-lines (space-time continuums per Yuuki destroying one as such) is merely described as the ability to move to the past.

I just have to go and defeat him now? Does she mean to go back to the bygone past?
Can something like that be done……?
Chloe seemed to be able to read the memories of the future with Time Leap, but that was just an ability to return to your past self.
Besides, it couldn’t be activated while time was stopped.
Chapter 248
{Note: This is the instance where even the Hypertimeline is destroyed, so Chloe's evolved ability doesn't work, but the point here is that it's the power to go back to the "Past".}

Which means this form of "Past" and "Future" is another direction of time that flows through all world-lines. The fact that Chloe's old 4D Time travel couldn't go to other world-lines because time only flowed in a decided manner (one-direction), yet later after being evolved to basically Reading Steiner, could indeed go to different world-lines, backs up the whole thing even more.

And ALL of this is backed up even more from the fact that parallel worlds/world-lines are basically minutely deviated from each other.

Different Ideas gave rise to various forms of justices, Veldanava pondered.
He decided to accept such phenomena were some necessary evils and the way of the world as a training ground for the soul.
If humans were to be controlled completely, conflicts would disappear.
However, they would lose the stimulus from emotions and the world would end up as a Dystopia, where people were all equal but without free will.
Such a world was not what Veldanava desired.
After that, he experimented many times and tried to develop humans into the direction that he hoped for.
The conditions in many of the Parallel Worlds minutely deviated from one another, which led them to achieve different evolutions.

This could potentially mean that they are "branched" as the term used is "deviated from one another.

That's it for the discussion of a "Dimension" being 5D at least. I'd like to keep it topic to topic (i.e., the 6D thing be a separate topic discussed separately) to avoid mixing up and stuff.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Something like one EE not being able to erase someone at all while another EE doing so. Like the difference between True Dragon Haki and Demon Lord key Rimuru's Aura EE in Volume 10.

So if someone has 4 layers of resistance to magic, would disintegration affecting them give all the abilities of disintegration 4 layers? Or just magic as cm and stuff.

 

[Lycoris4812]

This is Fuse in an interview.

F: I usually operate on a six-month cycle for each volume. Writing the first draft takes about three months, then editing and revisions take about six weeks. After that, I spend another six weeks resting and handling miscellaneous work.

So Vol 23 should be coming soon.

Oh, and this is interesting.

F: Rimuru is basically my image of an ideal boss. As much as I don’t like to admit it, during my time as a construction foreman, I would lose my temper when my workers wouldn’t listen to my instructions. I know that isn’t right.

F: However, it is very difficult to lead people and accomplish a task together, and I couldn’t help but become emotional at times. Drawing on that experience, I imagined what things might have been like if I had a boss like Rimuru, and included that in TenSura’s story.

 

[Violatas]

This is Fuse in an interview.

So Vol 23 should be coming soon.

I'm prepping my popcorn to watch the arguments on God scaling

 

[Lycoris4812]

I'm prepping my popcorn to watch the arguments on God scaling

Waiting for more juicy stuff. However, we are finding new stuff every day. But Vol 22 is going to be exciting cause Rimurus is actually going to fight. (hopefully) And we'll probably get a bunch of new information.

 

[MeiouHades]

Something like one EE not being able to erase someone at all while another EE doing so. Like the difference between True Dragon Haki and Demon Lord key Rimuru's Aura EE in Volume 10.

Aye, no problem with a troller like our good old @Robo432343

Alright then, shall we start? I'll be quoting this post of yours. First off, source of all my scans (unless specified to be translated by staff) is this.

Well, that also ignores this part of the FAQ:

And this, as said, includes the retroactive destruction of space-time. Also per a few of @Qawsedf234's posts:



So the essence here is retroactive destruction and a state of "before and after" said destruction where time still flows. And well, Yuuki did just that, destroying the space-time continuum as a whole.


Now, is there any other supporting evidence of a different direction of time? Of course, and for that I'll be quoting other parts of your post before.

And yes, we do have some examples of this. And quoting the FAQ before presenting scans:

Basically, Chloe initially had the ability to travel in time, but this was specifically ONLY the ability to go to the past of the same world-line.


But later her abilities evolved:

Now, this memorization is basically a reference to Reading Steiner (the ability to remember events from other world-lines), and after obtaining the ability, she was able to travel, ONLY THIS TIME, to different world-lines entirely.

Yet even then, the ability to move to different world-lines (space-time continuums per Yuuki destroying one as such) is merely described as the ability to move to the past.

Which means this form of "Past" and "Future" is another direction of time that flows through all world-lines. The fact that Chloe's old 4D Time travel couldn't go to other world-lines because time only flowed in a decided manner (one-direction), yet later after being evolved to basically Reading Steiner, could indeed go to different world-lines, backs up the whole thing even more.

And ALL of this is backed up even more from the fact that parallel worlds/world-lines are basically minutely deviated from each other.

This could potentially mean that they are "branched" as the term used is "deviated from one another.

That's it for the discussion of a "Dimension" being 5D at least. I'd like to keep it topic to topic (i.e., the 6D thing be a separate topic discussed separately) to avoid mixing up and stuff.

I'll read and respond to this in a bit

 

[Ultimuru]

Velgrynd: Ultimate Skill users are not bound by laws of the world.

Veldora: The heck is Ultimate Skill????

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So if someone has 4 layers of resistance to magic, would disintegration affecting them give all the abilities of disintegration 4 layers? Or just magic as cm and stuff.

No, only the abilities that overlap with the resistances. For example, Disintegration has Soul destruction; if someone can resist soul manip and it affects them, that's layered soul manip/destruction, but it won't layer the other abilities of disintegration, like EE.

Well, something like that.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This is Fuse in an interview.

So Vol 23

Hopefully, but that's not always true since Volume 22 took more than an entire year...

 

[Mizuki67]

Hopefully, but that's not always true since Volume 22 took more than an entire year...

Fuse said it would take time, giving volume 21 came in exactly 1 year after volume 20. We were definitely expecting volume 22 to be like that, volume 23 however is the last so....

Velgrynd: Ultimate Skill users are not bound by laws of the world.

Veldora: The heck is Ultimate Skill????

Velgrynd said true dragons not ultimate skills. Before rimuru came by ultimate skill wasn't an information that's accessible to a power of the unique, Veldora ability at the time is being able to "know" whatever isn't hidden and ultimate skill existed way beyond that. Rimuru came by and made ultimate skill a joke

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Fuse said it would take time, giving volume 21 came in exactly 1 year after volume 20. We were definitely expecting volume 22 to be like that, volume 23 however is the last so....

It might even take more than an year... Perhaps 2

 

[Lycoris4812]

Hopefully, but that's not always true since Volume 22 took more than an entire year...

Fuse said it would take time, giving volume 21 came in exactly 1 year after volume 20. We were definitely expecting volume 22 to be like that, volume 23 however is the last so....

Well, vol 22 was going to be the last, it was just too big so he split it into 22 and 23. So hopefully he has most of it written already.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Tyrant of Destruction shows no mercy to the stars

vsbattles.fandom.com

I realized I made a huge mistake in this 4-B calculation, so although it has been accepted I have asked for it to be deleted for now, I will make a new one soon.

A depressed angel wreaks havoc

vsbattles.fandom.com

Also I did this, if accepted, I think people who want can create a Feldway profile like "at least 4-B, likely far higher" without waiting for the scaling chain and Milim Dragon Nova's recalculation.

Not sure if you remember, but Ciel said "We then drifted in a space/universe (whatever fits the tl) where no stars shone and watched the end of this world", which literally means Feldway destroyed at least all the stars as a whole. Then why are we taking only a single celestial object to calculate the AP here?

After that, I wandered around in this space bereft of the twinkling of any star, and there I saw the end of the world. ~ OTL Volume 21

 

[CodeCCLL]

Not sure if you remember, but Ciel said "We then drifted in a space/universe (whatever fits the tl) where no stars shone and watched the end of this world", which literally means Feldway destroyed at least all the stars as a whole. Then why are we taking only a single celestial object to calculate the AP here?

Since the timeframe is unknown, it is also possible that Feldway destroyed all the stars one by one.

 

[CodeCCLL]

The battle, which lasted three days and three nights, altered the very axis of the world. But this time, it was all a careful adjustment on Guy's part. The icy, uninhabitable tundra turned into a land of eternal spring-and the land Guy defined as his own became a frozen wasteland instead.

Does anyone have any idea what place being talked about here?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Does anyone have any idea what place being talked about here?

Hmm, might be the original Super magic empire tuat guy destroyed.

 

[Lycoris4812]

That Gluttony scan says it will devour the stars in the sky. Couldn't we upgrade it based on how many stars one can see in the sky? Google says like 9,000.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That Gluttony scan says it will devour the stars in the sky. Couldn't we upgrade it based on how many stars one can see in the sky? Google says like 9,000.

There are cases where the sky has a galaxy of stars in it...
In-verse of course.

Time stamps: 2:00 and 3:00 have the scenes.

 

[Lycoris4812]

There are cases where the sky has a galaxy of stars in it...
In-verse of course.

Time stamps: 2:00 and 3:00 have the scenes.

If we take the least amount of stars in our galaxy, that's 1.36e43 solar system level. Gluttony surpasses True Dragons.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Gluttony surpasses True Dragons.

No way

 

[Lycoris4812]

No way

At least if my math is correct.

100 to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way.

5.693e41 j x 100 billion = 5.693e52 j (Solar System level)

 

[CodeCCLL]

That Gluttony scan says it will devour the stars in the sky. Couldn't we upgrade it based on how many stars one can see in the sky? Google says like 9,000.

Creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky Redux

vsbattles.fandom.com

Hmm, then this calculation seems out of date. Am I missing something?

Anyway, in Gluttony's case it seems we only need the sum of the GBE's of the consumed stars.

Rimuru devour the stars in the sky

vsbattles.fandom.com

5.693e41 * 9000 = 5.1237e45 (Solar System level: 4-B)

There are cases where the sky has a galaxy of stars in it...
In-verse of course.

This needs some thought.

At least if my math is correct.

You need number of "visible stars" in the sky.

I'm putting it at number 5/6 on my current calculation list and will get to it eventually.

 

[Lycoris4812]

You need number of "visible stars" in the sky.

I'm putting it at number 5/6 on my current calculation list and will get to it eventually.

Well, from the Diablo interview, we see a galaxy, so 100 billion is the least we'd see.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Well, from the Diablo interview, we see a galaxy, so 100 billion is the least we'd see.

Seeing the galaxy is not the same as seeing all the stars in the galaxy.

 

[Ultimuru]

I am waiting for someone saying "Prove number of stars that can be seen from Cardinal Planet"

 

[CodeCCLL]

I am waiting for someone saying "Prove number of stars that can be seen from Cardinal Planet"

You'll never learn... Cardinal world operates by different laws, prove that the GBE formula will work for the Tensura verse!

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

You'll never learn... Cardinal world operates by different laws, prove that the GBE formula will work for the Tensura verse!

Unrelated, but I wanted to ask , are we allowed to use abilities from Clayman’s Revenge or not?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Unrelated, but I wanted to ask , are we allowed to use abilities from Clayman’s Revenge or not?

If they acquire them then maybe no but if they had them before then definitely. Hypnos is a spell that first appeared in the Clayman manga from Raine but then got introduced in volume 22 via Chloe.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

If they acquire them then maybe no but if they had them before then definitely. Hypnos is a spell that first appeared in the Clayman manga from Raine but then got introduced in volume 22 via Chloe.

Hmm, what about Clayman’s new abilities under Manipulator?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Hmm, what about Clayman’s new abilities under Manipulator?

Yeah they should be fine, seeing as it is just new applications of an ability he already has.

 

[Mizuki67]

Since the timeframe is unknown, it is also possible that Feldway destroyed all the stars one by one.

Didn't milim one shot the universe?

That Gluttony scan says it will devour the stars in the sky. Couldn't we upgrade it based on how many stars one can see in the sky? Google says like 9,000.

We don't have a time frame

Does anyone have any idea what place being talked about here?

The north, the place where guy lives

 

[CodeCCLL]

We don't have a time frame

Do I need to explain the difference between releasing 100 joules in 100 seconds and releasing 100 joules per second at the end of the 100th second? (example)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This needs some thought.

(Note in advance: TL is done by Chat GPT. Take it with a grain of salt if you will, but you can always get it confirmed when the need of use arises.
There are also some novel statements of a starry sky:

その内の一つ、夜空に輝く星々を鏤めたような漆黒の長髪を靡かせているのは、際立つような美貌の〝三妖帥〟筆頭ザラリオであった。

Among them, the one with jet-black long hair flowing as though set with the glittering stars of the night sky was Zarario, the strikingly beautiful foremost of the “Three Demon Commanders.”

準備は万端に整った。 ふと見上げた空に月はなく、星が綺麗に瞬いている。 そうか、今夜は新月だった。 この美しい夜空の下で、開戦の鐘が鳴る。 そして、同時に── 俺は俺の戦場へと、星の輝きを背に進むのだ。


Preparations were complete. When I looked up, the moon was gone, and the stars shone beautifully. So it was a new moon tonight. Beneath this beautiful night sky, the bell of battle would ring. And at the same time—
I advanced toward my battlefield, the brilliance of the stars at my back.

満天の星の下で、気持ち良さそうに目を細めるランガにもたれながら、俺の気持ちも煌くように澄み渡ったのだった。

​

“Under the starry sky, as I leaned against Ranga who squinted his eyes in comfort, my own heart felt clear and shining as if it too were sparkling.”

今更ながら、ミョルマイルの了承も得た。 そしてビッドやその部下達も、ゴブエモンを歓迎してくれるみたいである。 こうしてゴブエモンはミョルマイルの食客となり、当面は自由に行動する事になったのだった。 ミョルマイル邸を後にして、夜空を見上げる。 冬の星座が煌いているが、地球から見る星の配置とはまるで違って見えた。 それにしても、気になるのは襲撃者だな。 それって本当に、カザック子爵が犯人だろうか？

Although it’s a bit late, I finally received Myormile’s approval. It also seemed that Bido and his men would welcome Gobuemon. Thus, Gobuemon became a guest under Myormile and, for the time being, was free to act as he wished. Leaving Myormile’s residence, I looked up at the night sky. The winter constellations sparkled brightly, but their arrangement looked completely different from how they appeared from Earth. Still… what really concerns me is the attacker. Could Viscount Kazak truly be the culprit?

Also, there are statements of a labyrinth floor having the starry sky too, plus having a day-night cycle:

八十三階層──見通しのいい草原地帯が広がる。 落とし穴などの可愛い罠が仕掛けられていたが、そんなものは何の障害にもならなかった。 天気は快晴。行軍する者達の顔色も明るい。 しかし── 二日目の夜、帝国軍は甚大な被害を受けた。 天空に輝く月は、上弦から満月へと向かう頃合い。 その月を背景に、孤高の兎が空に浮かぶ。 重力を操る兎──月兎だ。 ゲットの攻撃には、敵味方の区別などない。 その分、被害を気にする事なく全力が出せるのだ。 月の満ち欠けに左右されるが、たとえ新月であろうとも天と地を逆転させるほどの力をゲットは有している。超重力圧壊という暴威が撒き散らされる事により、帝国軍は翻弄されたのだった。 だが、これで終わりではない。 夜はまたやって来る。 そして、三日後は満月。ゲットの力が最大限発揮される夜が来る── 八十四階層──石畳の街路が入り組み、迷路を形成している。 そこを歩む帝国兵の顔色は悪い。 予想以上に消耗が激しい様子だ。
「み、水をくれ……」
「駄目だ。補給部隊と連絡が取れん。我慢するんだ」
「クソッ！ まだ三日目だが、水が飲みてえ……。水を飲めなけりゃあ、飯だって食えねえぞ……」


On the 83rd floor, an open grassland stretched out.
There were simple traps, like pitfalls, but such things posed no real obstacle.
The weather was clear, and the soldiers on the march looked bright and cheerful.
However—

On the second night, the Imperial Army suffered enormous losses. The moon shining in the sky was in the phase of waxing from first quarter toward full.. Against that moonlit backdrop floated a solitary rabbit—
the Moon Rabbit, a beast that manipulates gravity.

Getto’s attacks distinguished neither friend nor foe. Because of that, it could unleash its full strength without restraint. Though its power waxed and waned with the moon’s phases, even on a new moon Getto possessed strength enough to invert heaven and earth. With the terror of “super-gravity collapse” unleashed, the Imperial Army was thrown into chaos.

Yet this was not the end. Night would come again. And three days later, the full moon would rise—the night when Getto’s power would be at its peak.

On the 84th floor, stone-paved streets twisted and tangled together, forming a labyrinth. The faces of the Imperial soldiers walking there were pale, showing exhaustion far beyond expectations.

“G-give me water…”
“No. We can’t get in contact with the supply unit. Endure it.”
“Damn it! It’s only the third day, but I need water… Without water, we can’t even eat food…”

志願者がどんどん増えて、その整理だけでも大変なのだとマサユキは言う。そんな状況で軍団が出撃したものだから、血の気の多い者達が騒いでいるのだと。 その顔はゲッソリしており、とても演技には見えない。というかマサユキが疑わしいのなら、もっと早くに智慧之王さんが警告してくれているだろう。 という事で、マサユキは除外。「大半の者は元の町に滞在してるだろ？」「ええ、そうなんですけどね……」 地上にあった町だが、現在は地下百一階層に避難中だ。太陽の光や星々もそのまま見えるので、意外と皆さん状況に気付いていなかったりする。戦争は既に始まっているのだが、未だに遠い場所で睨み合いが続いていると思っている者もいるようだ。


Masayuki explained that the number of volunteers kept growing, and that just organizing them alone was already a nightmare. To make matters worse, the army had already gone out to fight, which only stirred up the hot-blooded types even more.
His face was completely gaunt, drained of energy. There was no way it was an act. And besides—if Masayuki really were suspicious, Wisdom King would have warned me long before now.
Which meant Masayuki could be ruled out.

“Most of the people are staying in the original town, right?” I asked.

“Yes, that’s true, but…” he replied reluctantly.

That town, which had once stood on the surface, had been evacuated down to the one-hundred-and-first underground floor. And yet, the sun still shone and the stars still glittered overhead, exactly as before. Because of that, surprisingly few people even realized their situation had changed.
The war had already begun. And yet, some still believed it was nothing more than a distant standoff, playing out far away from them.

This means that manga panel of a random labyrinth floor having stars in the sky wasn't just a vague visual description. It was literally what the novel describes the floors as.
Each floor has a day-night cycle and even a sky with stars. The fact that the floors are isolated in subspace, as well as being contained with their respective dimension, so the sky just being the cardinal world's sky is out of the question. This is explicitly showing the sheer bare minimum size of the floors (not even including the dimensional boundaries with their time axes).

“I lose control over my magi-bacteria when we change floors, which proves that the labyrinth is set up so every floor is in its own separate dimension. So if I enter a floor and cover it with my skill, everything inside of it becomes my meal. Right? Good idea, huh?”
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It's not that the floors are dimensions themselves, they are simply physical structures contained within their respective dimension.

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

Didn't milim one shot the universe?

What vol that she destroyed the universe?

 

[Mizuki67]

What vol that she destroyed the universe?

22, chloe used fatal lost on her and she responded to that by blowing up the universe

(Note in advance: TL is done by Chat GPT. Take it with a grain of salt if you will, but you can always get it confirmed when the need of use arises.
There are also some novel statements of a starry sky:




Also, there are statements of a labyrinth floor having the starry sky too, plus having a day-night cycle:


This means that manga panel of a random labyrinth floor having stars in the sky wasn't just a vague visual description. It was literally what the novel describes the floors as.
Each floor has a day-night cycle and even a sky with stars. The fact that the floors are isolated in subspace, as well as being contained with their respective dimension, so the sky just being the cardinal world's sky is out of the question. This is explicitly showing the sheer bare minimum size of the floors (not even including the dimensional boundaries with their time axes).

It's not that the floors are dimensions themselves, they are simply physical structures contained within their respective dimension.

Why do you have unlimited access to raws and know exactly what the raw is talking about?

Do I need to explain the difference between releasing 100 joules in 100 seconds and releasing 100 joules per second at the end of the 100th second? (example)

I do not understand but I shall take it as rimuru Gluttony is 4-C

 

[CodeCCLL]

Each floor has a day-night cycle and even a sky with stars.

There's nothing in the quotes you posted that suggests each floor has a day-night cycle or starry sky as far as I see. We need information on the first 50 floors that Velgrynd destroyed.