suspiciously man-shaped shadow (The Sentry vs. The Spot) (3-4-0)

[HonestlyBored24]

Da Roolz
Speed is equalized.
Both are in-character, and start 25 meters away.
The battle takes place in Earth-199999’s New York City.
The Sentry and Post-Collider Spot are being used.

Da Vouts
“Why would a god take orders from anyone at all?”: 3 (@AppleMaker, @Da3ggman, @speedster352)

Scales to (4.75x) this; > 3.07 Exatons of TNT​

Scales to this; > 81.60 Metric Tons​

“My holes can take me anywhere.”: 4 (@Arkansalter2, @Naeem0304, @Ozcantabak, @Deadguy999)

Scales to this; > 2.87 Tons of TNT​

Scales to this; > 641007.30 Metric Tons​

Da Fakts
The Sentry has a 256,158,000x advantage in Attack Potency.
The Spot has a 7,858.17x advantage in Lifting Strength.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Spot has a way to come back from Void's BFR. Void doesn't have a way to come back from Spot's BFR.
Going with Spot, low diff.

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Bump

 

[AppleMaker]

Is it in character for Sentry to go for cqc or starting with shockwaves?

 

[Da3ggman]

Doesn't Sentry scale to Pre-Stellar off of Thor?

 

[AppleMaker]

Doesn't Sentry scale to Pre-Stellar off of Thor?

I guess he used lower end so Sentry won't stat stomp

 

[Arkansalter2]

Is it in character for Sentry to go for cqc or starting with shockwaves?

He's a simple fighter. He just straight up slammed the thunderbolts without much effort. He doesn't have that much combat skill however.

 

[AppleMaker]

He's a simple fighter. He just straight up slammed the thunderbolts without much effort. He doesn't have that much combat skill however.

He have a decent shot winning this one. If he won't try to use telekinesis against Spot - he would most likely win more times than not. Simply because his ap is high enough to one-shot Spot and shockwaves is a ranged attack

 

[Arkansalter2]

Simply because his ap is high enough to one-shot Spot and shockwaves is a ranged attack

He did said shockwave when people were all up on him. He never did that move otherwise.

If he won't try to use telekinesis against Spot - he would most likely win more times than not.

TK likely won't work. LS advantage so Spot would finagle his way out.

For Sentry, if he lands a single hit, Spot is donezo.
For spot, Spot will use his portals/agility and try to hit Sentry. He very quickly figures out that it deals no damage, and he BFR's just like that.
He is crazy agile too I mean just look what he was doing to a guy with precog.

 

[AppleMaker]

TK likely won't work. LS advantage so Spot would finagle his way out.

I mean Sentry would lose if he starts with telekinesis because of that

For Sentry, if he lands a single hit, Spot is donezo.
For spot, Spot will use his portals/agility and try to hit Sentry. He very quickly figures out that it deals no damage, and he BFR's just like that.
He is crazy agile too I mean just look what he was doing to a guy with precog.

Well, I thought Spot would immediately go for BFR or dura neg, but his agility could help him avoid being one-shoted in cqc. Still voting for Sentry though

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Well I mean Sentry will try at least notably much harder than the skill level we've seen, unlike fighting the Thunderbolts who he stated he didn't wanna fight/harm and was going easy on them.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Still voting for Sentry though

Sentry for what reasons exactly?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Well I mean Sentry will try at least notably much harder than the skill level we've seen, unlike fighting the Thunderbolts who he stated didn't wanna fight/harm and was going easy on them.

SBA will put him in the mindset to win. Spot's Agility will allow for him to at least get one hit in. However, since it'll deal no damage, spot would lead with BFR immediately after.

 

[Arkansalter2]

And I think you guys forget that Spot is 3 intelligence tiers above Sentry. Spot is def outskilling by a landslide.

 

[AppleMaker]

Sentry for what reasons exactly?

Since Spot goes in cqc in character and it kinda lowers his chances of winning. Yep, he's agile, but if Sentry accidentally lands his punch before Spot figures out that he have higher stats (His LS advantage over Sentry could lead to him unnecessary stretching that fight, thinking he's winning. I might be wrong about it) - it's over. Also I still think Sentry could try to use shockwaves when he realizes how agile and skilled Spot is

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

SBA will put him in the mindset to win. Spot's Agility will allow for him to at least get one hit in. However, since it'll deal no damage, spot would lead with BFR immediately after.

Well I mean Sentry has Enhanced Senses with that Awareness so he could probably focus up to deal with his portal shenanigans and get him off guard.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Well I mean Sentry has Enhanced Senses so he could probably focus up to deal with his portal shenanigans and get him off guard.

That enhanced senses comes from him being able to keep track of an invisible person. That'll hardly help him here.

before Spot figures out that he have higher stats

Spot will VERY quickly figure out that his hits are not dealing much of anything. His BIQ is able to cover those expenses.

Also I still think Sentry could try to use shockwaves when he realizes how agile and skilled Spot is

He did said shockwave when people were all up on him. He never did that move otherwise.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

That enhanced senses comes from him being able to keep track of an invisible person. That'll hardly help him here.

dawg!!! that's his enhanced senses VISION he also has enhanced senses AWARENESS. that lets him basically react to what's happening around him even if he isn't really looking or focusing there!! read the profile dude!!

the editor literally said that "Looking at the clip, I think Sentry also has some enhanced awareness as he knew where Ghost would appear without looking."

 

[Arkansalter2]

that lets him basically react to what's happening around him even if he isn't really looking or focusing there!! read the profile dude!!

Yes. Because both of those types come from that one feat. But his awareness of his enhanced sense may or may not be able to cover said agility. However, since his awareness only comes from that one feat, it would be NLF to assume that his awareness would also include Spot out-maneuvering Sentry.

 

[AppleMaker]

Spot will VERY quickly figure out that his hits are not dealing much of anything. His BIQ is able to cover those expenses.

He mostly uses striking or grappling moves? Since in that gif it looks like Spot mostly used his LS and agility, instead of punching/kicking

He did said shockwave when people were all up on him. He never did that move otherwise

Well I mean Sentry will try at least notably much harder than the skill level we've seen, unlike fighting the Thunderbolts who he stated he didn't wanna fight/harm and was going easy on them.

Also Spot's agility could make him feel like Spot is surrounding him and (probably) use shockwaves to deal with that "surrounding"

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Yes. Because both of those types come from that one feat. But his awareness of his enhanced sense may or may not be able to cover said agility. However, since his awareness only comes from that one feat, it would be NLF to assume that his awareness would also include Spot out-maneuvering Sentry.

glad we both agree, anyways, first off not a cool move to just throw out a argument instead of actually coming up with a way for the other character to counter it. second, why does agility matter for his enhanced sense to not work? especially for speed equalized? also yeah if spot tries to get too fancy with his movement just shockwave to get him off guard again.

 

[Arkansalter2]

He mostly uses striking or grappling moves? Since in that gif it looks like Spot mostly used his LS and agility, instead of punching/kicking

He used a mix of both. He'll figure out that his impact damage is not dealing much damage (because dura and invincibility) and would just BFR him off the rip. He's smart enough to figure that out.

Trying to land a hit on Spot would be pretty futile as he can casually do stuff like this or this. Hell, Sentry will most likely try to charge at Spot and Spot would just.. portal him and GGs.

first off not a cool move to just throw out a argument instead of actually coming up with a way for the other character to counter it.

Of course, I didn't even try to refute the shockwave argument until now. His shockwaves are mostly to push people away. It pushed 3 9-A's away and hardly dealt any damage to them. The shockwaves themselves barely even deal damage anyways. Granted, he was barely trying but it's just to note.

second, why does agility matter for his enhanced sense to not work?

Ones senses can be overtaxxed or overloaded. It would be NLF to assume that awareness from one feat will have him attuned to a completely different feat.

 

[AppleMaker]

He used a mix of both. He'll figure out that his impact damage is not dealing much damage (because dura and invincibility) and would just BFR him off the rip. He's smart enough to figure that out.

Of course, I didn't even try to refute the shockwave argument until now. His shockwaves are mostly to push people away. It pushed 3 9-A's away and hardly dealt any damage to them. The shockwaves themselves barely even deal damage anyways. Granted, he was barely trying but it's just to note.

Could Spot's portals be deflected?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Could Spot's portals be deflected?

Probably not. They're controlled by him so he can just do this before Sentry could realize it.
Just because you can deflect something controlled by a party, doesn't mean you can take control of said thing.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Of course, I didn't even try to refute the shockwave argument until now. His shockwaves are mostly to push people away. It pushed 3 9-A's away and hardly dealt any damage to them. The shockwaves themselves barely even deal damage anyways. Granted, he was barely trying but it's just to note.

thatsss not what I’m talkking aboutt I was taalkkking about the enhanced senses argument you called NLF without having any couunterr and that’s more like ignoring the argument why is it so hard to debate in this goddd forsakeen placce

also we aren’t trying to argue shockwaves as a way to deal damage just a burst option to push like you said.

Ones senses can be overtaxxed or overloaded. It would be NLF to assume that awareness from one feat will have him attuned to a completely different feat.

I don’t know dude, all I’m seeing in the clip is sentry focusing up, predicting and catching with those enhanced senses. That should pair up with his reaction time and speed, are we not gonna say focusing lets him predict people where people end up like what he does in the movie against ghost? But fine, I’ll give you that one, judging how Spider people with enhanced senses / precognition had a hard time with his portal shenanigans, I’ll lean towards spot, though tentatively because those spider people are nowhere near as powerful and don’t have flight, or other OP abilities to counter properly and will instead just fire their web shooter.

 

[Arkansalter2]

though tentatively because those spider people are nowhere near as powerful and don’t have flight, or other OP abilities to counter properly and will instead just fire their web shooter.

They've all matched Spot and they all have at least gifted BIQ and comparable combat skill but all four of them had trouble dealing with spot, even with precog. This just shows how much skill Spot has over Sentry.

 

[LaserPrecision]

TK likely won't work. LS advantage so Spot would finagle his way out.

I don't think the LS even matters. It's the fact Sentry is over a 200 million times AP advantage. A single simple TK push would turn Spot into scrambled atoms, no?

 

[Arkansalter2]

I don't think the LS even matters. It's the fact Sentry is over a 200 million times AP advantage. A single simple TK push would turn Spot into scrambled atoms, no?

Maybe but he normally doesn't lead with that. He would mainly do CQC which would get him portaled immediately.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Maybe but he normally doesn't lead with that. He would mainly do CQC which would get him portaled immediately.

Wasn't the very first thing he did in the fight is use TK? And it's the only fights he was in during the movie.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Wasn't the very first thing he did in the fight is use TK?

Nope. Red Guardian just charged at him and he just did a simple love tap that knocked him away. So he doesn't really use TK unless he really wanted to.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Nope. Red Guardian just charged at him and he just did a simple love tap that knocked him away. So he doesn't really use TK unless he really wanted to.

Ah, I thought he attacked John Walker with TK first. Guess I misremembered.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ah, I thought he attacked John Walker with TK first. Guess I misremembered.

Happens to the best of us.
Opinions?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Happens to the best of us.
Opinions?

I think if he tries restraining Sentry via a portal, he's dead cuz he'll just use the shockwave to get the portal off of him which will splatter the spot. But if he immediately bfr's he would win.

 

[Arkansalter2]

But if he immediately bfr's he would win.

9 times out of 10, the fight would end with a BFR.

 

[LaserPrecision]

9 times out of 10, the fight would end with a BFR.

IIRC, he opted for restraining or dangling the Spider peeps from portals more often than like, bfr'ing them to another universe.

 

[Arkansalter2]

IIRC, he opted for restraining or dangling the Spider peeps from portals more often than like, bfr'ing them to another universe.

Pretty sure that once Spot figure out that his hits aren't dealing damage (which is extremely quick), he'll most def just BFR him. He can avoid attacks from those who have comparable skill to him so him getting hit won't be a problem.

 

[Da3ggman]

Sentry FRA. Also, to add onto the arguments, he can legit just stare and spot and boil his body with heat manip if he gets annoying.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Pretty sure that once Spot figure out that his hits aren't dealing damage (which is extremely quick), he'll most def just BFR him. He can avoid attacks from those who have comparable skill to him so him getting hit won't be a problem.

The problem is if he restrains Sentry, he won't get the chance to learn that was a bad decision. Because Sentry's only way to escape being restrained is an AoE shockwave (Which I think is still just his TK tbh). And the AoE shockwave will de-atomize Spot.

 

[Arkansalter2]

he can legit just stare and spot and boil his body with heat manip if he gets annoying.

OOC and NLF. The best he did was heat up a gun in someones hand and superheat someones metal arm. He's not a murderer.

Because Sentry's only way to escape being restrained is an AoE shockwave (Which I think is still just his TK tbh).

I'm not even sure if said portal is escapable by those means. From my knowledge, none of the spider parties could even escape Spot's portak.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I'm not even sure if said portal is escapable by those means. From my knowledge, none of the spider parties could even escape Spot's portak.

Would that not just be a Lifting Strength feat for Spot? No one in the Spider-Verse can eject Tier 6 shockwaves from their body like Sentry can. Even if it doesn't help him escape the portal, it just vaporizes Spot.