Sung jinwoo tier upgrade

[Rogue_Forge]

I just genuinely don’t understand how a thread can be accepted and yet it is still not allowed to be used

Everyone agrees he gets upgraded

No one agrees where he's upgraded to

 

[Dooyo]

Everyone agrees he gets upgraded

No one agrees where he's upgraded to

Didn't we agree he is universal+ lol.

The evidence and statements are numerous to ignore that.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Didn't we agree he is universal+ lol.

The evidence and statements are numerous to ignore that.

We're debating whether he's Universal+ or Low-Multiversal

Its undeniable he's Universal+

It is debatable he's Low-Multiversal

 

[Dooyo]

We're debating whether he's Universal+ or Low-Multiversal

Its undeniable he's Universal+

It is debatable he's Low-Multiversal

First off, how big it is agreed the cosmology of SL Ragnarok is ? 2C ? 2B ?

@Phoenks

 

[KaramcaS]

Low 2-C

 

[Dooyo]

Low 2-C

There are countless universes created by others Itarim who are basically others Absolute Being which is similar to the main Universe that the story is evolving.

 

[KaramcaS]

There are countless universes created by others Itarim who are basically others Absolute Being which is similar to the main Universe that the story is evolving.

We discussed for 3 pages and decided that other universes are not separate space-times + the correct translation is numereous, not countless, as the OP said

 

[HelloThere1089]

How about just put Low 2C now and then revisit higher ratings later with better formed arguments? Do y'all even have staff votes? I see none in the OP.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

How about just put Low 2C now and then revisit higher ratings later with better formed arguments? Do y'all even have staff votes? I see none in the OP.

I agree with this

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Do y'all even have staff votes? I see none in the OP.

I don't know why but PHANtomFELdway just isn't putting in votes even though I've asked them and they saw the post where I asked them

 

[HelloThere1089]

I don't know why but PHANtomFELdway just isn't putting in votes even though I've asked them and they saw the post where I asked them

Bro does not want this to pass.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Bro does not want this to pass.

I think bro is too focused on defending his stance to really care (which I get but man the vote should be added )

 

[HelloThere1089]

I think bro is too focused on defending his stance to really care (which I get but man the vote should be added )

Mans like "it's 2C or nothing"

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Mans like "it's 2C or nothing"

It's actually "it's 2C for RagnaSung and SoloSung + Monarchs and probably someone else I'm forgetting (The sister) or nothing"

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I am too lazy to put votes for everyone, I will put them for mods though

(Going to leave that alone since there has been no clarification yet)

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

gonna count up the votes for everyone gimme a minute (will also put my stance after i'm finished)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

gonna count up the votes for everyone gimme a minute

thanks man

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

gonna count up the votes for everyone gimme a minute (will also put my stance after i'm finished)

blue name votes don't matter, don't bother counting them votes

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

blue name votes don't matter, don't bother counting them votes

I've seen this be said as a joke and not as one to where I have trouble taking this seriously everytime it's said

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

think I got most votes down but just to ask, is this meant for the jin-woo profile NOW through backscaling or their ragnarok page whenever that gets dropped??

 

[Phoenks]

My suggestion to Phantom is to make an actual AP section for the Ragnarok key complete with scans and references. I recommend just going for 3-A to Low 2-C. That should be easy enough to prove.

Same with speed. I can accept MFTL+ speed scaling to Beru crossing the universe.

 

[Phoenks]

No it doesn’t you compare it to the many other statements saying monarchs are born for the purpose of destroying the world, and then the literal statement of it being in reference to ALL of existence which jinwoo scales to . It is obviously referring to everything.

It very clearly is present , and idk why the author being different matters nor the timeskip, you would still disagree even with the scan of shaking dimensions .

When 1.) the author directly said he didn’t do anything to harm the original

And 2.) PEOPLE are WEAKER during the timeskip. Only one who grew stronger was jinwoo,but og series jinwoo still outscales ragnorock Antares due to ragnorock Antares losing the source of his powers.so we can already tell it isn’t a tier jump between the two series.

I don’t see why you are disallowing even backstories such as how the absolute being hid his power.

That isn’t what I am saying.i don’t think that the monarchs and rulers on earth are universal.i am saying that as long as they are not purposely nerfing themselves with human baggage, they would have the power they are stated to have. Would just be like this

One key : nerfed

Another key: prime power.

The thread for ragnorock being able to be used with context was LITERALLY accepted.

So using both ragnorock and original should also be accepted,

For example,

Eternal sleep disease. In og it tells you people die from it,

In ragnorock it tells you that people affected by it have their souls killed.

So with that extra context showing on how they die,and based on the thread,it should be allowed for original series to have an aura that kills the soul.

Similarly we have jinwoos power.

Which is sourced from world of nothingness in the original series

And then ragnorock which tells you more about jinwoos power over void

Which should also be able to be used because it is a backstory and not power he gained after the timeskip.

I don’t see the reason to pick and choose what can and cannot be used when it is accepted as canon already.


If you agree that with ragnorocks context he would scale, and ragnorock is accepted as canon,as well as the fact that the EXPLANATION ragnorock gives doesn’t contradict the main series, then you are disagreeing purely based on the fact that since the original series only takes place while they are nerfed , the explanation on why and how much they are nerfed is cast aside.

I just genuinely don’t understand how a thread can be accepted and yet it is still not allowed to be used

Hm.

Can you provide all the nerfed scans. I might be willing to work with you if you can prove to me that the Monarchs in the gap between dimensions are significantly stronger both in narrative and in feats.

But it would still only scale to Epilogue Jinwoo if anything. Not his base True Shadow Monarch key.

Edit: Actually, even that seems inconsistent. He was still fighting against sub-planetary beings at the end of the novel...

 

[Dooyo]

Hm.

Can you provide all the nerfed scans. I might be willing to work with you if you can prove to me that the Monarchs in the gap between dimensions are significantly stronger both in narrative and in feats.

But it would still only scale to Epilogue Jinwoo if anything. Not his base True Shadow Monarch key.

Edit: Actually, even that seems inconsistent. He was still fighting against sub-planetary beings at the end of the novel...

But he casually beat them without any effort whatsoever. What is inconsistent ?



Here is the proof they were nerfed from the start, that is why they needed Human vessels otherwise they would had collapsed the dimension wall and the entire dimension where Earth resides, basically their Universe.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Hm.

Can you provide all the nerfed scans. I might be willing to work with you if you can prove to me that the Monarchs in the gap between dimensions are significantly stronger both in narrative and in feats.

I got you later.(might just ask chugong ) ant didn’t reject his account like I asked

But it would still only scale to Epilogue Jinwoo if anything. Not his base True Shadow Monarch key.

Edit: Actually, even that seems inconsistent. He was still fighting against sub-planetary beings at the end of the novel...

If the dimension shaking feat isn’t correct, then I’d just have to change my argument to the planets durability being strong asf due to the law the placed there to protect it.

The monarchs war was kinda skipped over entirely,we didn’t have any new knowledge,besides jinwoo like half a chapter fighting antares

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I got you later.(might just ask chugong ) ant didn’t reject his account like I asked

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

Following, so far I can see Universal+ the speed args iffy for me so I'll see how it plays out

 

[Dooyo]

Following, so far I can see Universal+ the speed args iffy for me so I'll see how it plays out

Nothing iffy about that, the evidence and statements about it is numerous, what is iffy is low multiversal despite the cosmology have numerous universes

 

[KaramcaS]

2-C: Low Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

After reading the SL light novel, I don't think there was any statements that the other universes have space-time continuums unless I forgot something

And after looking through some other cosmology's I don't think you're gonna get 2-C off of "There's lots of universes" without space-time continuum statements

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

yall suck

A friend told me to post this:

https://www.webnovel.com/book/solo-leveling-ragnarok-%5Bfan-tl%5D_32910227108872605/293_88501237242186907

They can fart or destroy single universes at will. If a universe is accepted as low 2-C then that's it, ya'll aren't getting anything else (unless more wank comes but I'll wait for him to show up)

 

[Gamecooob]

just make this mf Low 2-C already jfc

 

[Vietthai96]

yall suck

A friend told me to post this:

https://www.webnovel.com/book/solo-leveling-ragnarok-%5Bfan-tl%5D_32910227108872605/293_88501237242186907

They can fart or destroy single universes at will. If a universe is accepted as low 2-C then that's it, ya'll aren't getting anything else (unless more wank comes but I'll wait for him to show up)

I don't think they are against universal buster that much, problem is either it is 3-A or Low 2-C and the backscaling from Ragnarok to some of the early keys of Jin woo

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I don't think they are against universal buster that much, problem is either it is 3-A or Low 2-C and the backscaling from Ragnarok to some of the early keys of Jin woo

Didn't the Absolute-***** create the "our" universe? That would be Low 2-C and the rest are just as strong.

Backscaling from ragnarok was already rejected by qaw and finepoint tho

 

[Vietthai96]

Didn't the Absolute-***** create the "our" universe? That would be Low 2-C and the rest are just as strong.

Hmm, probably, idk much though

Backscaling from ragnarok was already rejected by qaw and finepoint tho

Seen like Phantom still want to argue for it

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Didn't the Absolute-***** create the "our" universe? That would be Low 2-C and the rest are just as strong.

Backscaling from ragnarok was already rejected by qaw and finepoint tho

Kinda The one he created is different entiretly but that will probably be brought up in a later thread tbh
it isnt really needed for this one though

 

[Dooyo]

2-C: Low Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent.

My last argument for low multiversal

You need to show that these numerous dimensions have separate space-times and don't have an overarching one, right ?

While the Dimensional Rift weaves together multiple different universes, at least two of these dimensions having a different timeflow showing the existence of two separate space-time continuums. This is due to the phenomena of Red Gates which takes people to an entirely different dimension, in which time flows differently showing separation of space-times.

Neither of these space-times in hand utilise an external timeline from the Dimensional Rift, as the Dimensional Rift has a different timeflow aswell at 27 years per 2 Earth years.

What do you think ?

 

[Exalter06]

My last argument for low multiversal

You need to show that these numerous dimensions have separate space-times and don't have an overarching one, right ?

While the Dimensional Rift weaves together multiple different universes, at least two of these dimensions having a different timeflow showing the existence of two separate space-time continuums. This is due to the phenomena of Red Gates which takes people to an entirely different dimension, in which time flows differently showing separation of space-times.

Neither of these space-times in hand utilise an external timeline from the Dimensional Rift, as the Dimensional Rift has a different timeflow aswell at 27 years per 2 Earth years.

What do you think ?

I don't think this is sufficient evidence for separate space times. Cause time can flow differently even in the same space time, even in our own world by relativity. Though I'm not too knowledgeable on the standards so I'll let more knowledgeable members give their input

 

[HelloThere1089]

Time flowing differently in the same dimension is because of time dilation caused by the bending of spacetime. That doesn't work if the two dimensions are separate. Assuming the scans are actually saying that cuz I haven't read them.

Edit: just read about the red gates. Can somebody confirm if the red gates are accepted here as taking you to a different dimension spatially?

 

[Dooyo]

Time flowing differently in the same dimension is because of time dilation caused by the bending of spacetime. That doesn't work if the two dimensions are separate. Assuming the scans are actually saying that cuz I haven't read them.

Edit: just read about the red gates. Can somebody confirm if the red gates are accepted here as taking you to a different dimension spatially?

Yes, it was common knowledge throughout OG SL

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Time flowing differently in the same dimension is because of time dilation caused by the bending of spacetime. That doesn't work if the two dimensions are separate. Assuming the scans are actually saying that cuz I haven't read them.

Edit: just read about the red gates. Can somebody confirm if the red gates are accepted here as taking you to a different dimension spatially?

Their seperated by the lower nothingness