The Incredibles Discussion Thread

[Tonygameman]

Honestly I hope we can get profiles for the RSA tapes/Kronos heroes, I've still got my original Incredibles DVD (plus special features) and it's nice seeing a new gen being exposed to old content that has been around for years but was difficult to access these days (until recently).

Before anyone asks we've got profiles for characters that have literally never appeared in their verses and/or have zero feats/lore. So there's zero issues to index characters that have voice acting, brief appearances/cameos in the verse, clear statements of their P&As and a few of those characters (such as Gazerbeam and those who fell victim to CAPES) actually contributed to major plot points in the verse.

And although it's not canon we can still use Lego Incredibles (yes I'm serous, it's still an official release and product) as a frame of reference of how other Supers would've used their powers in combat.

The Codex does have profiles for some non-explicit heroes like Phylange and Apogee, while not taking a LEGO game into account (though Stratogale did pull a Boeing 707 to safety from a steep dive and Thunderhead's potential ED wasn't brought up; Elastigirl could be upgraded).

Gazerbeam's attack speed should clearly compare to Jack-Jack's, as his own lasers were referred to as such blasts, make things burst into flame as he had burned a name across a cave wall, were shot through focused lenses in his suit, and had a weakness to reflective surfaces.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Can increase his density to "near black hole" levels
Died to the very first Omnidroid while Gamma Jack and Hypershock destroyed theirs

Might be a fraud

 

[GunshyFever]

Following

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Honestly I hope we can get profiles for the RSA tapes/Kronos heroes, I've still got my original Incredibles DVD (plus special features) and it's nice seeing a new gen being exposed to old content that has been around for years but was difficult to access these days (until recently).

Before anyone asks we've got profiles for characters that have literally never appeared in their verses and/or have zero feats/lore. So there's zero issues to index characters that have voice acting, brief appearances/cameos in the verse, clear statements of their P&As and a few of those characters (such as Gazerbeam and those who fell victim to CAPES) actually contributed to major plot points in the verse.

And although it's not canon we can still use Lego Incredibles (yes I'm serous, it's still an official release and product) as a frame of reference of how other Supers would've used their powers in combat.

You an get the statement that Mr. Incredible has a spider sense and can sense danger, which would be a crazy hax to give him

NVM, this reddit post has it:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fthe-incredibles-universal-man-v0-frmsi6yk6qqe1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D894%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6c2bc7d4904333274c72bf2e8167bcd6cab78b7a

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

should I make a CRT?

 

[That_moron2]

should I make a CRT?

There was one like 3 years ago

 

[Dalesean027]

Might be a fraud

Indeed

should I make a CRT?

No? Get calcs and other support in order first why jump the gun when ya know not everything is done.

There ain't even character sandboxes made yet

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Indeed

No? Get calcs and other support in order first why jump the gun when ya know not everything is done.

There ain't even character sandboxes made yet

Why would I need a calc? I'm specifically talking about adding the ability for Mr. Incredible having a danger sense. Shouldn't take too long, and it's just a single ability.

 

[ByArrow]

I can help with the calculations.

 

[Tonygameman]

I'm specifically talking about adding the ability for Mr. Incredible having a danger sense. Shouldn't take too long, and it's just a single ability.

I did point out in a current addition CRT that he has other abilities as well (same for possible Empowerment and whichever book Lonkitt referred to later).

 

[Lloydblitzed]

There currently seems to be two continuity branches for The Incredibles at this point:

• Old continuity (The Incredibles, The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer, The Incredibles (Boom! Studios))
• Canon continuity (The Incredibles, The Incredibles 2, The Incredibles 2 (Dark Horse Comics))

Mid Crisis should also be part of Canon continuity, along with the Elastigirl Prequel Story

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I did point out in a current addition CRT that he has other abilities as well (same for possible Empowerment and whichever book Lonkitt referred to later).

Shouldn't Gamma Jack and anyone scaling above be City level at minimum? They scale above Thunderhead who can create Storms and directly draw power from it

 

[ByArrow]

I calculated Mr. Incredible's laser feat. And the result was Relativistic.

The Incredibles Calc: Mr. Incredible reacts to Jack-Jack's lasers

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Dalesean027]

Shouldn't Gamma Jack and anyone scaling above be City level at minimum? They scale above Thunderhead who can create Storms and directly draw power from it

Thats not at all what they say he doesn't draw power from the storms he just can control them using pressure at best its juat via ED

If he could create his own storms then clear days wouldn't be his weakness

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

It’s pretty clear Bob is basically the verse’s Gojo. It’s not just the blatant stuff posted above me. It is made clear that he’s the biggest threat to Syndrome and the Omni-Droid (only super with a threat level of 10), in general Syndrome seems to think he’s the strongest super, he’s got the highest stats for physicality in the NSA files and he’s also the only one noted for being “nearly indestructible” (notable not even Universal Man gets this honor). One more thing is Edna gives him preferential treatment.

Agree.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Might be a fraud

Wasn't Universal Man like, dependent on his hero self, not even having an alter ego? Guy was probably destroyed when heroes became illegal

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Wasn't Universal Man like, dependent on his hero self, not even having an alter ego? Guy was probably destroyed when heroes became illegal

Yeah, probably that happened.

 

[Dinobot1996]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

Good find mate!

 

[ByArrow]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

I adjusted calc accordingly.

The Incredibles Calc: Mr. Incredible reacts to Jack-Jack's lasers

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Thats not at all what they say he doesn't draw power from the storms he just can control them using pressure at best its juat via ED

Then why does it say "harness and Control" via his pressure?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

Bob is also called the strongest of all of them in a old ah guidebook

 

[Oiguana2701]

Bob is also called the strongest of all of them in a old ah guidebook

Not just that, he has the highest threat rating out of all heroes

 

[Dalesean027]

Then why does it say "harness and Control" via his pressure?

dawg this is elementary level reading

"harness and control"

What is he harnessing and controlling?

"Extreme weather conditions"

Through what means

"Manipulation of barometric pressure"

Can he create his own extreme weather conditons? No he cannot hence them stating his weakness is clear skies as he cannot make his own storms. Not once do them say he draws power from the storms to any capacity that would affect his physicals

Its literally just saying he can manipulate already existing weather using barometric pressure, thats just air pressure

 

[Lloydblitzed]

"Manipulation of barometric pressure"

Can he create his own extreme weather conditons? No he cannot hence them stating his weakness is clear skies as he cannot make his own storms. Not once do them say he draws power from the storms to any capacity that would affect his physicals

Never implied it scales to his physicals. I said people should scale above this lvl of AP

Not just that, he has the highest threat rating out of all heroes

Yeah. Also, in Mid Crisis, he also casually lifted a Nuclear Submarine

 

[Lloydblitzed]

dawg this is elementary level reading

"harness and control"

What is he harnessing and controlling?

"Extreme weather conditions"

Through what means

"Manipulation of barometric pressure"

Can he create his own extreme weather conditons? No he cannot hence them stating his weakness is clear skies as he cannot make his own storms. Not once do them say he draws power from the storms to any capacity that would affect his physicals

Its literally just saying he can manipulate already existing weather using barometric pressure, thats just air pressure

Following that logic, Frozone Ice feats are ED bc he use the moisture in the air to generate Ice, and cannot do so around heated areas (like inside a fire), implying he can't do it on his own either

 

[Dalesean027]

Never implied it scales to his physicals. I said people should scale above this lvl of AP

Its not his standard AP though? He's manipulating air pressure to causes weather changes as I said ED at best and you'd need more than a strongest statement to scale above something as specifc as that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

and you'd need more than a strongest statement to scale above something as specifc as that

Like what?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Not just that, he has the highest threat rating out of all heroes

Bob being the strongest hero according to supplementary stuff is pretty consistent.

 

[Dalesean027]

Following that logic, Frozone Ice feats are ED bc he use the moisture in the air to generate Ice, and cannot do so around heated areas (like inside a fire), implying he can't do it on his own either

Not at all the same, frozone using moisture in the air to create ice directly requires a change in specifc heat and other processes that directly scale to his AP via ice manipulation

Thats different than just using air manipulation to change the pressure in the air to cause a chain reaction of weather

Like what?

Just more than a strongest statement like in a smiliar vein you couldn't upscales thanos off thor creating a storm since thats just ED via weather manipulation something like that is never accepted unless there was some UES or energy system shit at play

 

[IDK3465]

So it seems The Incredibles Official Handbook for Young Supers does list stats for a decent number of characters, including stating that Mr. Incredible is 6'8 and weighs 348 pounds, which should impact some calculations:

Spoiler: Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone stats

Spoiler: Devtech super stats

Nice to see some more confirmation that the NSA files are legitimate, and the fact that Elastigirl became far stronger post-Incredibles 2

Like what?

UES or some confirmation that he can directly apply the same amount of energy he uses to create storms within his regular attacks

But hey, it's still a pretty decent feat even if it's just ED, same with Frozone's stuff

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Just more than a strongest statement like in a smiliar vein you couldn't upscales thanos off thor creating a storm since thats just ED via weather manipulation something like that is never accepted unless there was some UES or energy system shit at play

Well someone like Gamma Jack has a higher threat rating, higher stats and better feats UES is prob impossible in Incredibles given their stats stuff


Also, those new stats that were sent above would imply Incredible 2 Elastigirl > Glory Days Elastigirl

 

[Dalesean027]

Well someone like Gamma Jack has a higher threat rating, higher stats and better feats UES is prob impossible in Incredibles given their stats

That's fine that still doesn't equate to scaling to his ED if the dudes actual combat applicable shit with his ability isn't noted. Gamma Jack has specifc statement that are applicable to AP by itself and actual are detailed in his scaling hence his varies from High 8-C+ at low intensity to low 7-C at high intensity shit which is directly AP applicable

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Gamma Jack has specifc statement that are applicable to AP by itself and actual are detailed in his scaling hence his varies from High 8-C+ at low intensity to low 7-C at high intensity shit which is directly AP applicable

Shouldn't it be 7-C directly? Since Gamma Jack > 5th Omni > 4th Omni > Hypershock = Magnetude 6 Earthquake = 7-C

 

[IDK3465]

Also, those new stats that were sent above would imply Incredible 2 Elastigirl > Glory Days Elastigirl

I mean, it isn't that ridiculous imo,
The indestructibility thing is likely just due to her upgraded suit that Edna made, and her strength can probably be explained by her likely being provided some sort of training regimen by DevTech, as they would probably want all the supers they work with in peak physical condition.

Shouldn't it be 7-C directly? Since Gamma Jack > 5th Omni > 4th Omni > Hypershock = Magnetude 6 Earthquake = 7-C

You'd be correct about that, scaling-wise, yes, but we're just talking about why his own feat would count towards his rating

 

[Jinx666]

Mr Incredible did used to be Tier 7 from all this, but people ruled it as an outlier back then

 

[Dalesean027]

Shouldn't it be 7-C directly? Since Gamma Jack > 5th Omni > 4th Omni > Hypershock = Magnetude 6 Earthquake = 7-C

Dawg I'm obviously not talking about the scaling chain when explain why Gamma Jack's shit is different

 

[Baken384]

We gonna have uncomfortable conversations about Omni Droid scaling when Mr Incredible only won through LS Meta

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Shouldn't Gamma Jack and anyone scaling above be City level at minimum? They scale above Thunderhead who can create Storms and directly draw power from it

This is an implication that he's gay btw. "Single father of 5 adopted kids, raises them with his roommate scott"

 

[IDK3465]

This is an implication that he's gay btw. "Single father of 5 adopted kids, raises them with his roommate scott"

Someone should write a doomed yaoi fanfic about him and his husband roommate raising their children up until his death via cape