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In this thread it was agreed that the potency of Thanos' durability should scale to the Power Stone surge which decimated the surface of a Planet, which was initially 5-A and was later downgraded to High 6-A. The basis for this comes from a statement from Rocket in Avengers: Endgame which goes as follows:
"When Thanos snapped his fingers, Earth became ground zero for a power surge of ridiculously cosmic proportions, nobody's ever seen anything like it."
There are multiple issues with this statement as it is treated currently on the profiles, though. Something that has not yet been acknowledged is the fact that the Power Stone's surface wiping was accomplished when the Stone was wielded by a Celestial, and the Power Stones' potency is already accepted as having greater potency depending on the size of the target being affected by it, this could also possibly extend to the size of the wielder as well. But regardless, as is shown with Ultron, a more powerful entity wielding the Infinity Stones would have significantly greater potential than another user of it. Ultron is explicitly more powerful than Thanos was with the Infinity Stones, having no issue whatsoever wielding it, and the Celestials obviously are significantly above Ultron for obvious reasons. In fact, Celestials are currently accepted as being 3-B, with Eson being listed amongst them, so the yield of the Infinity Stones for him should have to logically be at least comparable to that AP for it to even be relevant for him to use. If we ignore this fact, than basically every single feat involving a character even slightly coming into contact with the Power Stone would also imply that they have High 6-A durability as well, if not much higher for reasons I'll discuss shortly. All of the Guardians of Galaxies survived the Power Stones' output, albeit with immense difficulty, yet their durability is not ranked anywhere near High 6-A. We literally even list the fact that Rocket "survived without notable damage from Ronan's Cosmi-Rod which was also empowered by the Power Stone". It's much more likely that the Power Stone's yield was dramatically above it's normal yield when wielded by Eson, and due to being targetted against an object of celestial propotions (a planet), it's yield was dramatically increased above it's normal level.
But beyond this, another issue arises with the fact of Rocket saying that "nobody's ever seen anything like it". This part of the statement seems to be taken far too literally, but simultaneously not literally enough. It's far more likely that the "nobody" in question is people in a fairly modern or recent timeframe throughout the past couple of years to decades, not throughout literally all of the universe's history. If this were the case, than this would not only extend to the yield of the snap scaling above the Power Stone surge, but also above Supernovas, Gamma Ray Bursts, Supermassive Black Hole merging events, etc etc. On top of this "nobody's ever seen anything like it" itself does not inherently correlate to nobody ever seeing anything as powerful as it, but rather the effects of the energy and the aftermath of it. This would be quite simple to justify as the energy, well, wiped out half of all life in the universe, which would certainly result in a quite unique, unusual type of energy surge, especially since the Infinity Stones and the energy of them are already considered very unique and almost mythological in the MCU. While Rocket has seen a feed showing the very same surface wiping feat, one, due to the fact that he was not present during the actual event, this can hardly be counted as something he truly saw with his own eyes, and second, the very context of the scene shows the Guardians being far more shaken and disturbed by the surface wiping than Rocket and the Avengers ever were by the yield of the snap, and the scene explicitly portrays it in this way, whereas Rocket explaining the aftermath of the snap is not at all portrayed in a similar manner, it is simply to explain where Thanos ended up to progress the plot. The Avengers have seen far less overall cosmic phenomena than the Guardians have, in fact, and none of them are horrified by the surge for anything other than the fact it wiped out half of all life.
But most damningly is the fact that the surge, well, did not really even remotely damage the Earth, which was stated to be ground zero of the blast, to any even remotely noticeable degree. The idea of Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity being separate doesn't apply here, as the range and AoE of the surge expanded throughout the entire observable universe, countless orders of magnitude greater than the DC of the Power Surge's surface wiping, yet despite this, a supposedly High 6-A power blast, instantly covering the entire Earth, is not even noticed by anyone on Earth with or without superpowers with the exception of a few Avengers in the immediate area. Furthermore, the "power surge" referred to by Rocket is not even specified as being actual energy. The "power" in question could be inherently supernatural by nature and not have any actual quantifiable AP on it's own, but rather "power" in the context of energy which erases beings from existence, which again, would itself fit in with being "unlike anything anyone's ever seen" as well as the Infinity Stones themselves being of extremely rare to near mythological status. The "ridiculously cosmic proportions" part of the sentence could easily be referring to the range of the blast expanding throughout the entire Universe, as is implied by the wording of "proportions".
As a result, I believe that the Power Stone should be downgraded to having a minimum power yield of 7-A due to being able to damage Rocket and the Guardians and one-shotting The Other to High 6-B, due to being able to one-shot Captain Marvel when being wielded by Thanos. On that note, all of the current High 6-As should be downgraded to High 6-B as they were before the Snap's yield and Hadron Enforcers CRT.
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Neutral:
"When Thanos snapped his fingers, Earth became ground zero for a power surge of ridiculously cosmic proportions, nobody's ever seen anything like it."
There are multiple issues with this statement as it is treated currently on the profiles, though. Something that has not yet been acknowledged is the fact that the Power Stone's surface wiping was accomplished when the Stone was wielded by a Celestial, and the Power Stones' potency is already accepted as having greater potency depending on the size of the target being affected by it, this could also possibly extend to the size of the wielder as well. But regardless, as is shown with Ultron, a more powerful entity wielding the Infinity Stones would have significantly greater potential than another user of it. Ultron is explicitly more powerful than Thanos was with the Infinity Stones, having no issue whatsoever wielding it, and the Celestials obviously are significantly above Ultron for obvious reasons. In fact, Celestials are currently accepted as being 3-B, with Eson being listed amongst them, so the yield of the Infinity Stones for him should have to logically be at least comparable to that AP for it to even be relevant for him to use. If we ignore this fact, than basically every single feat involving a character even slightly coming into contact with the Power Stone would also imply that they have High 6-A durability as well, if not much higher for reasons I'll discuss shortly. All of the Guardians of Galaxies survived the Power Stones' output, albeit with immense difficulty, yet their durability is not ranked anywhere near High 6-A. We literally even list the fact that Rocket "survived without notable damage from Ronan's Cosmi-Rod which was also empowered by the Power Stone". It's much more likely that the Power Stone's yield was dramatically above it's normal yield when wielded by Eson, and due to being targetted against an object of celestial propotions (a planet), it's yield was dramatically increased above it's normal level.
But beyond this, another issue arises with the fact of Rocket saying that "nobody's ever seen anything like it". This part of the statement seems to be taken far too literally, but simultaneously not literally enough. It's far more likely that the "nobody" in question is people in a fairly modern or recent timeframe throughout the past couple of years to decades, not throughout literally all of the universe's history. If this were the case, than this would not only extend to the yield of the snap scaling above the Power Stone surge, but also above Supernovas, Gamma Ray Bursts, Supermassive Black Hole merging events, etc etc. On top of this "nobody's ever seen anything like it" itself does not inherently correlate to nobody ever seeing anything as powerful as it, but rather the effects of the energy and the aftermath of it. This would be quite simple to justify as the energy, well, wiped out half of all life in the universe, which would certainly result in a quite unique, unusual type of energy surge, especially since the Infinity Stones and the energy of them are already considered very unique and almost mythological in the MCU. While Rocket has seen a feed showing the very same surface wiping feat, one, due to the fact that he was not present during the actual event, this can hardly be counted as something he truly saw with his own eyes, and second, the very context of the scene shows the Guardians being far more shaken and disturbed by the surface wiping than Rocket and the Avengers ever were by the yield of the snap, and the scene explicitly portrays it in this way, whereas Rocket explaining the aftermath of the snap is not at all portrayed in a similar manner, it is simply to explain where Thanos ended up to progress the plot. The Avengers have seen far less overall cosmic phenomena than the Guardians have, in fact, and none of them are horrified by the surge for anything other than the fact it wiped out half of all life.
But most damningly is the fact that the surge, well, did not really even remotely damage the Earth, which was stated to be ground zero of the blast, to any even remotely noticeable degree. The idea of Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity being separate doesn't apply here, as the range and AoE of the surge expanded throughout the entire observable universe, countless orders of magnitude greater than the DC of the Power Surge's surface wiping, yet despite this, a supposedly High 6-A power blast, instantly covering the entire Earth, is not even noticed by anyone on Earth with or without superpowers with the exception of a few Avengers in the immediate area. Furthermore, the "power surge" referred to by Rocket is not even specified as being actual energy. The "power" in question could be inherently supernatural by nature and not have any actual quantifiable AP on it's own, but rather "power" in the context of energy which erases beings from existence, which again, would itself fit in with being "unlike anything anyone's ever seen" as well as the Infinity Stones themselves being of extremely rare to near mythological status. The "ridiculously cosmic proportions" part of the sentence could easily be referring to the range of the blast expanding throughout the entire Universe, as is implied by the wording of "proportions".
As a result, I believe that the Power Stone should be downgraded to having a minimum power yield of 7-A due to being able to damage Rocket and the Guardians and one-shotting The Other to High 6-B, due to being able to one-shot Captain Marvel when being wielded by Thanos. On that note, all of the current High 6-As should be downgraded to High 6-B as they were before the Snap's yield and Hadron Enforcers CRT.
Profiles effected:
- The Orb
- Chitauri Scepter
- Tesseract
- Infinity Gauntlet
- Thanos
- Ebony Maw
- Cull Obsidian
- Ronan the Accuser
- Infinity Ultron
- Doctor Strange
- Sinister Strange
- Kaecilius
- Wong
- Ned Leeds
- Ancient One
- Karl Mordo
- Shuri
- Black Panther
- Namor
- Captain America
- Thor
- Stormbreaker
- Hela
- Valkyrie
- Iron Man
- War Machine
- Rescue
- Abilisk
- Drax the Destroyer
- Rocket Raccoon
- Captain Marvel
- Ant-Man
- Kang the Conqueror
- Scarlet Witch
- Agatha Harkness
- The Avengers
- The Sentry
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