Muzan Kibutsuji (King of Demons) Vs Ken Kaneki (King of Ghouls) (Demon Slayer Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [14-4-3]

[Machmatej]

Kaneki has literally resisted the exact same attack from Arima

sleep or shockwave?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Yeah good luck trying to find Nakime in that labyrinth

And? You do realize the more time Kaneki spends in the Labryinth the stronger he will become. Outside of the Top 3 and Muzan they don't have a reliable way to put him down, and he will eat the demons and grow stronger

sleep or shockwave?

Since when does Muzan have sleep manip?

 

[Machmatej]

Since when does Muzan have sleep manip?

Enmu does.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

And? You do realize the more time Kaneki spends in the Labryinth the stronger he will become. Outside of the Top 3 and Muzan they don't have a reliable way to put him down, and he will eat the demons and grow stronger

Since when does Muzan have sleep manip?

Ok so the win cons from Muzan side are
Enmu: Clones and Sleep hax
Daki: BFR Sleep hax
Gyokko: Transmutation hax and fish spam
Nakime: BFR and Infinity Fortress control
Akaza: Possibly RE AD retaliation???
Douma: Ice BDA and 6 Clones
Muzan: BFR and Infinity fortress control. Possibly Blood Hax like last time?????

Possibly somehow cook his stamina before he RE ADs

Kokushibo is a really good support here as well since hes really really skilled.

Muzan doesn’t have a viable win con?

 

[Catbowtie]

Yes, ghould literally poison each other with their kagune to make healing more difficult,

This is not all that helpful for Kaneki to do. Doma can adapt to poisons 700 over lethal amount. Even lower Kizuki can instantly adapt to poisons that cause paralysis

Kill Nakime and the castle spits you out. Kaneki is a far smarter fighter than Muzan and he is going to notice that whenever the one-eye girl strings her guitar shit goes sideways.

Extremely hard to do when Nakime controls the entire dimension.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

This is not all that helpful for Kaneki to do. Doma can adapt to poisons 700 over lethal amount. Even lower Kizuki can instantly adapt to poisons that cause paralysis.

Not all poison is the same, and you are leaving out the part where that poison killed Douma

Extremely hard to do when Nakime controls the entire dimension.

God the wank has gotten insane on Demon Slayer if that is actually true.

 

[Machmatej]

Muzan doesn’t have a viable win con?

We don't talk about Daki enough. speed and strength amps + BFR. Unironically, with equal base stats, I feel like she might just put up the best fight.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

This is not all that helpful for Kaneki to do. Doma can adapt to poisons 700 over lethal amount. Even lower Kizuki can instantly adapt to poisons that cause paralysis

If one demon gets poisoned then every single demon there will quickly adapt to the poison due to shared memories

 

[Catbowtie]

And? You do realize the more time Kaneki spends in the Labryinth the stronger he will become. Outside of the Top 3 and Muzan they don't have a reliable way to put him down,

I don't get this.

What win conditions do you not find reliable?

and he will eat the demons and grow stronger

This is not happening when Nakime can teleport Kaneki whenever she pleases, in addition to requiring Muzan to constantly summon fodder demons for Kaneki to eat, which he will not do. For all intents and purposes, it is Kizuki and Muzan vs Kaneki.

Not all poison is the same, and you are leaving out the part where that poison killed Douma

This is not true. Decapitation killed Doma. Poison merely weakened him, but the person who poisoned Doma said herself that it was not enough to kill him.

God the wank has gotten insane on Demon Slayer if that is actually true.

How is this wank? Please tell me (genuine)

 

[speedster352]

Voting Muzan

 

[NikHelton]

Can you send scans for this please?

Yes, of course, here it is. The Dragon's tentacles were destroyed along their entire length in all directions.

By the way, the weaker characters' shock waves were equally fatal for both point-blank and distance opponents.
Only unlike them, Kaneki's shockwave is powerful enough to turn the enemy into a pool of blood.

Regardless, the Kizuki out-speed the shockwave.

Absolutely right and not ironic no. The shockwave blitz of the Dragon that suppressed Kaneki.

The Infinity Castle will surround Kaneki, and he will be inside of it. Gravity and LS does not matter. Speed is

Give me an example where a character was surrounded by portals on all sides. We had multiple portals on the floor, one huge portal, and portals in the walls, but never portals on all sides. Even in the case of Obonai and Sanemi, there was no portal on top of them and Kaneki can easily cling there.

This is assuming Doma is anywhere near Kaneki when he does the shockwave, which he won't. Additionally, Doma's mist does quickly kill people. Kanao successfully avoided direct contact with Doma's ice through the fight. When she was hit by the mist, she was rendered helpless from brief exposure. Kaneki does not have resistance to ice either, so I do not know why you brought up Kanao's lack of resistance to support your argument that Kaneki can feasibly do anything when it happens to him.

The shockwave will simply disperse Doma's fog and turn it into a puddle. I don't remember Doma using his BA within 200 meters of him.

Gyokko teleports away from AOE. His Molted Form is a stat amplification.

However, the pots will be destroyed and he won't be able to get to Kaneki. Then he'll have to go to him himself.

Can you provide scans for this please?

Yes, sure

As said before, Nakime does not need to transport via doors.

However, Kaneki still has to get into the portal, which won't happen

AP is not DC

Not only are they connected, but the fact that the difference between the demon's durability and area attack power is so great leaves no chance for the demon to survive this.

Unless Kaneki covers a demon's entire body with an attack, they are surviving and regenerating rather casually.

Yes, the shockwave does that. So does the kagune trap and the Class G squeeze.

The point I am making here is that Kaneki will not completely paste demon's body with one punch, as it is not assumed Kaneki can perform the equivalent Destructive Capacity as his Attack Potency without having feats of doing so (excluding a shockwave, of course). Instead, it is a very strong punch localized in a small area without the principle of conservation of energy dictating that energy will across disperse across the demon's body.

This is not representative of the whole picture. The reason Doma has never shown to completely freeze people is because of limited screen time, and his freezing was repeatedly avoided. We have various examples that demonstrate Doma has the capability of freezing someone entirely. I do not know why you added "comparable." Are you talking about "comparable" AP-wise? AP does not help someone resist Ice Manipulation, especially in Demon Slayer.

As I said, the shock wave blows away Doma and its fog.

This will not be happening. If all of the Kizuki are there at once, they will overwhelm Kaneki with their combined abilities and numbers advantage. How do you suppose Kaneki can win before Muzan summons the moons?

Shockwave + Shockwave + Shockwave

That's not even mentioning the ability to copy other ghouls' kagune, create doubles, force fields, and flames

Akaza's Compass Needle will always make him relative to Kaneki until Kaneki can become 7-A.

A compass won't help you survive an attack that will turn you into jelly.

"Superior enemy" by how much? Can you provide scans for this please?

Furuta throws and beats Kaneki like a rag doll, tearing him apart from the inside, but when Kaneki activates his kakuja, he cuts Furuta like butter.

How will Kaneki effectively do this when he is being bombarded by multiple deadly opponents at once? One slip up will kill him.

This guy is not inferior to Arima, who is able to fight with 3 comparable in characteristics with one hand and without looking and who constantly fights with crowds of ghouls.

Do not forget that every attack that does not kill Kaneki will make him much stronger. And his high-mid regen will allow him to survive many fatal wounds

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Muzan doesn’t have a viable win con?

Never said that. Nice try at strawmanning me.

Ok so the win cons from Muzan side are
Enmu: Clones and Sleep hax

Willpower. Literally how tanjiro escaped

Daki: BFR Sleep hax

Would have to actually catch him first

Gyokko: Transmutation hax and fish spam

Would have to actually catch him first

Nakime: BFR and Infinity Fortress control

Not a win con. not nearly enough to kill Kaneki

Akaza: Possibly RE AD retaliation???

Okay. Thats just RE AD

Douma: Ice BDA and 6 Clones

If normal ass humans can survive Doumas Ice, Kaneki can

Muzan: BFR and Infinity fortress control. Possibly Blood Hax like last time?????

Kaneki has resisted similar hax thanks to the Dragon and Infinity castle isn't an instant win-con

Possibly somehow cook his stamina before he RE ADs

Possibly but not for certain

Kokushibo is a really good support here as well since hes really really skilled.

Lmao really we are going over the skill arg again?

I don't get this.

What win conditions do you not find reliable?

See above

This is not happening when Nakime can teleport Kaneki whenever she pleases, in addition to requiring Muzan to constantly summon fodder demons for Kaneki to eat, which he will not do.

What proof do you have he won't

For all intents and purposes, it is Kizuki and Muzan vs Kaneki.

So the Infinity Castle now only houses the Kizuki and Muzan?

This is not true. Decapitation killed Doma. Poison merely weakened him, but the person who poisoned Doma said herself that it was not enough to kill him.

The same will happen with Kaneki

How is this wank? Please tell me (genuine)

An entire dimension doesn't fit Underground

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

Muzan FRA

 

[NikHelton]

Wait I'm dumb. Retract my vote.

Does Kaneki have a way around the insta regen or the Domain Expansion?

Yes, the shockwave destroys the castle area and also kills demons with 1 hit.

 

[Arkansalter2]

destroys the castle area

How does one destroy an infinity castle?

 

[NikHelton]

How does one destroy an infinity castle?

Spam devastating shockwaves and destroy every demon.

You asked if he can bypass demon regeneration? Yes, he does it with shockwave.

 

[Machmatej]

Willpower. Literally how tanjiro escaped

Tanjiro dreamt for like a hot minute before realizing he was dreaming, and he only woke up because he had the willpower to kill himself. Unless you provide a reason on why Kaneki would be unaffected by sleep manipulation, or would wake up before getting danmaku'd by literally every demon, Enmu has a win con.

Would have to actually catch him first

Would have to actually catch him first

Speed is equalized and Daki unironically has better speed amps. As for Gyokko, yeah he's screwed, unless Nakime just teleports him to Kaneki

 

[Machmatej]

You asked if he can bypass demon regeneration? Yes, he does it with shockwave.

How fast is the shockwave? Faster than Kaneki?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Willpower. Literally how tanjiro escaped

Would have to actually catch him first

Would have to actually catch him first


If normal ass humans can survive Doumas Ice, Kaneki can

Kaneki has resisted similar hax thanks to the Dragon and Infinity castle isn't an instant win-con

Tanjiro escaped the BDA by repeatedly decapitating himself and he found out via external means

Infinity fortress teleportation hax

Infinity fortress teleportation hax

Those same normal humans survived because Douma is literally crippled from a poison that has 700x the lethal dosage

 

[NikHelton]

How fast is the shockwave? Faster than Kaneki?

Blitz and instant destruction of the Dragon, who was suppressing and ahead of Kaneki

 

[Arkansalter2]

Spam devastating shockwaves and destroy every demon.

Ok but how does he destroy the infinity castle?
You answered the demon part but not the part where the castle is just... infinite?

 

[NikHelton]

Ok but how does he destroy the infinity castle?
You answered the demon part but not the part where the castle is just... infinite?

Constant destruction of territory, calculation of the enemy kilometers away from him using heightened senses and the ability to move across the entire plane of the castle, avoiding portals, rooms and doors.

Also, as I said earlier, he can simply avoid getting into the castle and kill Muzan before the Moon is summoned

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also, as I said earlier, he can simply avoid getting into the castle

Teleported. Now what.

Constant destruction of territory, calculation of the enemy kilometers away from him using heightened senses and the ability to move across the entire plane of the castle, avoiding portals, rooms and doors.

Yeah welll.. Muzan can just.. leave him there.

 

[Machmatej]

Blitz and instant destruction of the Dragon, who was suppressing and ahead of Kaneki

No charge-up? No anything? The thing is not even on his profile.

 

[NikHelton]

Teleported. Now what.

Killing Muzan before using BFR

Yeah welll.. Muzan can just.. leave him there.

He will send the Moons to destroy him, after which Kaneki will become stronger, find Nakime and kill her. Then it's up to Muzan.

 

[NikHelton]

No charge-up? No anything? The thing is not even on his profile.

Just a shockwave coming from his kagune

 

[Machmatej]

Just a shockwave coming from his kagune

I don't know how it works. But even assuming his shockwave blitzes everyone, they just regen afterwards.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Killing Muzan before using BFR

Regen. Shockwave is iffy because.. well.. regen.

He will send the Moons to destroy him, after which Kaneki will become stronger, find Nakime and kill her. Then it's up to Muzan.

Sends them in there too.

Fortress is just a massive f*** you to everything Kaneki throws at him.

 

[NikHelton]

I don't know how it works. But even assuming his shockwave blitzes everyone, they just regen afterwards.

Bro, he literally turned tentacles over ten meters in diameter and over two hundred meters in length into a puddle. The demons' high-mid regen simply won't cope with such damage.

With such a difference in durability, there will be nothing left of their bodies.

 

[NikHelton]

Regen. Shockwave is iffy because.. well.. regen.

Dude, the demon body durability is 8-B. The shockwave is 7-C plus. It reduced a much larger and more durable object to nothing. There will be nothing left of the demons that can regenerate.

Sends them in there too.

Fortress is just a massive f*** you to everything Kaneki throws at him.

Yes, of course, it helped him a lot in the match against Yoriichi and in the canonical battle against Hashira and the trio

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw if anyone is wondering. Douma’s ice temperature is -196c

 

[Machmatej]

Bro, he literally turned tentacles over ten meters in diameter and over two hundred meters in length into a puddle. The demons' high-mid regen simply won't cope with such damage.

With such a difference in durability, there will be nothing left of their bodies.

Their necks have comparable durability to his AP before adapting High-Mid regen is described as "The ability to regenerate from being blown/cut to pieces, brain included, or from a small piece of the user's body, such as a finger, or the heart." And that's exactly what every demon can do as long as sunlight isn't involve. They should be able to regen from their necks. They could also just slice off his kagune before he can pop off a shockwave, or use precognition, enhanced senses, analytical prediction and information analysis to just predict the shockwave and get out of its range.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Ok but how does he destroy the infinity castle?
You answered the demon part but not the part where the castle is just... infinite?

If its infinite how come it didn't destroy Earth?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Btw if anyone is wondering. Douma’s ice temperature is -196c

How did you get that?

 

[Arkansalter2]

If its infinite how come it didn't destroy Earth?

It's like "spacially infinite" I don't know I don't watch KNY lmfao. I'm just going off of what I see.

 

[Machmatej]

How did you get that?

I'm guessing flash-freezing water.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

It's like "spacially infinite" I don't know I don't watch KNY lmfao. I'm just going off of what I see.

Do you have an actual statement for that.?

 

[Arkansalter2]

There will be nothing left of the demons that can regenerate.

Except the neck. Which he can regenerate from since High-Mid regen.

 

[Machmatej]

If its infinite how come it didn't destroy Earth?

It's a pocket dimension.

 

[NikHelton]

Их шеи обладают прочностью, сравнимой с его AP до адаптации. Высоко-средний уровень регенерации описывается как «способность восстанавливаться после разрыва/разрезания на куски, включая мозг, или из небольшого фрагмента тела пользователя, например, пальца или сердца». И это именно то, что может делать каждый демон, если только не используется солнечный свет. Они должны уметь восстанавливаться из своих шей. Они также могли бы просто отсечь его кагуне, прежде чем он успеет выпустить ударную волну, или использовать предвидение, улучшенные чувства, аналитическое прогнозирование и анализ информации, чтобы предсказать ударную волну и выйти из её зоны действия.

Kaneki also has analysis, prediction, heightened senses, and extrasensory perception.

They won't be able to cut off his kagune before the shockwave is created because it's literally energy and a surge of cells.

No, demons have never shown that they can regenerate from just their neck. Their high-mid is based on a scan where a demon survived having their head destroyed and the fact that they need to cut off the head to kill them. But even for Muzan, losing 4/5 of his flesh was dangerous.
Moreover, the shockwave in the kakuja is at a level that it oneshots those in its value. The neck will also be destroyed