DC Presence profile rework

[Re5yh]

Since the Presence page has a lot of broken scans and some having no references, I decided to remake the page by myself, with a few changes on the DC Cosmology page.

Here's my sandbox:
Yahweh

First, the Unknowable information on the cosmology will be changed. Here's an example:

Old:

Tiering

The Unknowbale, God, or Monad as you can refer to is the supreme perfect essence and the oneness behind all of Creation. Existing above all dualities and any extensions including the hierarchies of stories and all the possible worlds. He is the Godhead that emanated Creation with his aspects and transcends all of Creation as nothing but a mere thought meant to wash away with each idea he brings washing away into the Void which is nothing but his mind. So the Unknowable is 0 and the supreme being of the Sandman Universe.

New:

Tiering

The Unknowable, God, or Monad as you can refer to is the supreme perfect essence and the oneness behind all of Creation. Existing above all dualities and any extensions including the hierarchies of stories. He is the Godhead that emanated Creation with his aspects and transcends all of Creation as nothing but a mere thought meant to wash away with each idea he brings washing away into the Void which is nothing but his mind. God or Ain Soph is truly everything as he exists with his own perfection when nothing existed in the beginning. So the Unknowable is 0 and is the supreme being of the Vertigo Universe

On the Presence profile, there is a list of a bunch of stuff that will be changed.

1. The Text with scan (God or Ain Soph is truly everything as he exists with his own perfection when nothing existed in the beginning.) has new reference from Doom Patrol Vol 2 #85 since this is the comic that we forgot about more stuff of The Presence (Ain Soph). PS: The comic is where the name ''Unknowable'' came from)

2. The Presence will have his own Standard Equipment

Standard Equipment: Light Ball of Creation, Sword

3. His Nigh Omniscience will have a reason for why he has this kind of intelligence:

Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (Despite Yahweh knowing everything, omniscience exists on it's own)

4. A lot of scans are fixed and have new references

5. The Presence will have new profile pictures as it is seen here:

Re5yh/Yahweh

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6. There is a new and updated image gallery of everywhere the presence had appeared and mentioned. Here

7. The Presence now have over a bunch of new names from various comics: Ain Soph, The Holy One, The Limitless, The Unknowable, Cosmic Emptiness & The Smile.

Since Goofy is gone, I would try to support the verse as good as I can by providing enough scans, reworks & enough profiles.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Hypertornado099]

Existing above all dualities and any extensions including the hierarchies of stories

None of the scans say that. And is this talking about the Presence?

 

[Re5yh]

None of the scans say that. And is this talking about the Presence?

I was finding scans with the references that Goofy got for us.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Saved Wally from Eclipso's control

Can you combine them into one album?

 

[Re5yh]

Can you combine them into one album?

Done

 

[Re5yh]

Bump

 

[Xearesay]

None of the scans say that. And is this talking about the Presence?

It’s not. Most of the tier 0 evidence on there isn’t actually talking about him. Any scan about the Smile or the absolute from Swamp Thing #75, is not talking about the Presence. Neither is the Doom Patrol stuff that took place after Morrisons run.

 

[Re5yh]

We

It’s not. Most of the tier 0 evidence on there isn’t actually talking about him. Any scan about the Smile or the absolute from Swamp Thing #75, is not talking about the Presence. Neither is the Doom Patrol stuff that took place after Morrisons run.

Well, doom patrol is vertigo like sandman. Also, I was trying to fix and reupload the dead scans since goofy has a lot of broken DC scans on many profiles.

 

[Hypertornado099]

It’s not. Most of the tier 0 evidence on there isn’t actually talking about him. Any scan about the Smile or the absolute from Swamp Thing #75, is not talking about the Presence. Neither is the Doom Patrol stuff that took place after Morrisons run.

We

Well, doom patrol is vertigo like sandman. Also, I was trying to fix and reupload the dead scans since goofy has a lot of broken DC scans on many profiles.

Alright, then we can discuss it in another thread

 

[Firestorm808]

The new references to the current profile seem okay.

Ain Soph stuff seems okay.

Will look over the rest.

 

[Vietthai96]

Just passed by and read the profile, but there are duplicated BDE Type 2 and Large Size Type 10. Also the character is High 1-A to 0; there are BDE Type 3 for qualitative superiority now

Also, Large Size Type 10 is completely redundant and unnecessary; he is BDE3, for which Large Size is just...a non-factor, and also contradictory too. he is BDE Type 3; why also large size?

Transduality have no bullet point

And there are 4 keys/tabbers, but they all share the same abilities??

 

[Xearesay]

Just passed by and read the profile, but there are duplicated BDE Type 2 and Large Size Type 10. Also the character is High 1-A to 0; there are BDE Type 3 for qualitative superiority now

Also, Large Size Type 10 is completely redundant and unnecessary; he is BDE3, for which Large Size is just...a non-factor, and also contradictory too. he is BDE Type 3; why also large size?

Transduality have no bullet point

And there are 4 keys/tabbers, but they all share the same abilities??

There honestly shouldn’t be 4 keys, because none of those keys truly denote a separate continuity. The only reason those keys were made was because there was some pretty glaring interpretation problems that would come from saying all of those characters were the Presence. So Goofy raised the in-evident and arbitrary argument that these characters were actually just separate continuities of the Presence, so he could keep him at tier 0 while working around having to actually make sense of anything.

 

[Vietthai96]

There honestly shouldn’t be 4 keys, because none of those keys truly denote a separate continuity. The only reason those keys were made was because there was some pretty glaring interpretation problems that would come from saying all of those characters were the Presence. So Goofy raised the in-evident and arbitrary argument that these characters were actually just separate continuities of the Presence, so he could keep him at tier 0 while working around having to actually make sense of anything.

Well, idk much about DC, so I can't say anything; I just passed by and saw some glaring issues with how the profile is presenting its stuff and want to point them out.

And like @Re5yh has said, he just wants to fix the scan and stuff on the profile first. Statistics, tiering and other things should be left in different thread

 

[Xearesay]

Well, idk much about DC, so I can't say anything; I just passed by and saw some glaring issues with how the profile is presenting its stuff and want to point them out.

And like @Re5yh has said, he just wants to fix the scan and stuff on the profile first. Statistics, tiering and other things should be left in different thread

Sure, I just thought it was important to give the context for why there’s different keys.

 

[Vietthai96]

Sure, I just thought it was important to give the context for why there’s different keys.

Oke, no worry, it is just that idk the verse that much to have any say on it. Just the contents of the profile look very bad to me

 

[TheTenno07]

Looks good

 

[TheTenno07]

bump

 

[Re5yh]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

What else is needed?

 

[Re5yh]

What else is needed?

Just the God/Ein Sof/Unknowable thing must need scans and refferences

 

[Firestorm808]

Just the God/Ein Sof/Unknowable thing must need scans and refferences

Do you mean that you are still looking for them?

 

[Re5yh]

Do you mean that you are still looking for them?

Yeah

 

[Firestorm808]

Yeah

Do you have the scans but not the source names or do you not have either?

 

[Re5yh]

Do you have the scans but not the source names or do you not have either?

I have scans, but I will add the sources later

 

[Firestorm808]

I have scans, but I will add the sources later

Is it just the scans in the OP?

 

[Re5yh]

Is it just the scans in the OP?

No, I don't think so

 

[Firestorm808]

No, I don't think so

Can you link the scans you are sourcing?

 

[Re5yh]

Can you link the scans you are sourcing?

The Unknowable, God, or Monad as you can refer to is the supreme perfect essence and the oneness behind all of Creation. Existing above all dualities and any extensions including the hierarchies of stories and all the possible worlds. He is the Godhead that emanated Creation with his aspects and transcends all of Creation as nothing but a mere thought meant to wash away with each idea he brings washing away into the Void which is nothing but his mind. God or Ain Soph is literally everything as he exists with his own perfection in the void of nothingness. He created emptiness and also created the Ten Branches of the Kabbalah Tree of Life which contains the light and gives creation shape.

Like this?

 

[Firestorm808]

1. The Dreaming #20 (2018)
2. The Dreaming #11 (2018)
3. Black Orchid #14 (1993), Black Orchid #22 (1993)
4. House of Mystery #39 (2008)
5. The Dreaming #20 (2018)
6. The Sandman: Overture #3 (2014)
7. Doom Patrol #85 (1987)
8. Doom Patrol #85 (1987)