Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread

[LordTracer]

if she can downscale from supes n ultraman tho, would that be “at most 8-b” or like just “8-b” bc idk how downscaling works

She’d be At most 8-B+ and scaling to the same 59.165596 Tons value that Superman and Ultraman scale to.

 

[Dalesean027]

if she can downscale from supes n ultraman tho, would that be “at most 8-b” or like just “8-b” bc idk how downscaling works

At most 8-B

 

[Golden_Void]

Okay this is everything we have so far below.

Could we measure the energy he would receive from Metamorpho's sun using the ISL for all ends? The sun was magnified 292 times for him to heal up to 83% from a far better condition, and that's 292x the average sunlight a person receives. He couldn't possibly heal from his kryptonite irradiated state with anything less than that energy in the timeframe that he healed in.

 

[Dalesean027]

Could we measure the energy he would receive from Metamorpho's sun using the ISL for all ends

Yeah ig but like idk how valid that is especially since the sun wasn't like emitted enough heat outwards to like heat up and melt the other cells or out anyone there at risk really with that it'd be more appropriate to use luminosity and then isl I'd say.

He couldn't possibly heal from his kryptonite irradiated state with anything less than that energy in the timeframe that he healed in.

That's headcanon to be honest, you can't really honestly gauge how much was needed in that moment

At the start he'd healed up from a state of not even being able to crawl around, having multiple broken bones, and damaged organs.

When with Metamorpho he wasn’t really injured at all and could still struggle and get to his knees like a couple times when trying to stand ultimately failing ofc but definitely not as worse in condition, he's also quickly depleted from his escape and needs to be supported upwards but could still walk when heading home and sleeps for 2 days to get to full so like he very clearly wasn't given AS much juice.

292 times

Last thing though, as much as I'd like to use that line its cut from the final theatrical release so like we can't use it anyways

 

[Golden_Void]

That's headcanon to be honest, you can't really honestly gauge how much was needed in that moment

At the start he'd healed up from a state of not even being able to crawl around, having multiple broken bones, and damaged organs.

When with Metamorpho he wasn’t really injured at all and could still struggle and get to his knees like a couple times when trying to stand ultimately failing ofc but definitely not as worse in condition, he's also quickly depleted from his escape and needs to be supported upwards but could still walk when heading home and sleeps for 2 days to get to full so like he very clearly wasn't given AS much juice.

When he was beaten up by Ultraman, he was weakened due to being beaten but he still had enough solar energy to use his powers which we see when he uses super whistling and got trampled by Krypto. He could still move, but barely, due to pain - not his powers being drained. He became a crater in the ground landing at supersonic speeds and was relatively fine.

Whereas under kryptonite he couldn't use his abilities, was actively worsening and would've died eventually, and when the kryptonite wore off he could barely push himself up to his knees. And all of this in a realm with no sun, so he didn't have the luxury of his cellular damage being offset by the sun. His skin looked like he had super cancer, and considering the skin is the largest organ, saying he wasn't in as bad of a condition is objectively false when every cell in his body was taking this same damage.

Yeah ig but like idk how valid that is especially since the sun wasn't like emitted enough heat outwards to like heat up and melt the other cells or out anyone there at risk really with that it'd be more appropriate to use luminosity and then isl I'd say.

Superman, a literal baby, and normal humans in high-tech suits tanked antimatter. What even is valid?

I don't recall the 292 line being removed when I went to see it tho.

 

[Dalesean027]

When he was beaten up by Ultraman, he was weakened due to being beaten but he still had enough solar energy to use his powers which we see when he uses super whistling and got trampled by Krypto. He could still move, but barely, due to pain - not his powers being drained. He became a crater in the ground landing at supersonic speeds and was relatively fine

Dude could like only move his arm to grab his cape that's literally all he does otherwise he's not able to move at all, whistling really on requires your lips and having some breath hardly a strenuous activity. Superman in sunlight with powers was still battered enough to not be able attempt to stand or even crawl on his own yet you're saying him while kryptonite poisoned being able to push up to his knees to try and stand like 2 times isn't more impressive. Krypto jumping on regular injured clark is a non factor when ya got goons like Metallo who beat down on a kryptonite weakened Superman as well with him being able to recover a bit enough to fight him off when in direct sunlight (with the JGs help ofc) like he's just actually worse off at the start of the film

I don't recall the 292 line being removed when I went to see it tho.

It wasn't there I can get the clip when im off work

 

[MrLuk2000]

The was in the Fortnite event that just happened, does he get any scaling from that? /s

Not a serious question I just thought it was cool

If anything every single character from Fortnite would be upscaled to 1-A

 

[MrLuk2000]

Ok. This is the last time, I'll make this joke. I promise

 

[Golden_Void]

Dude could like only move his arm to grab his cape that's literally all he does otherwise he's not able to move at all, whistling really on requires your lips and having some breath hardly a strenuous activity. Superman in sunlight with powers was still battered enough to not be able attempt to stand or even crawl on his own yet you're saying him while kryptonite poisoned being able to push up to his knees to try and stand like 2 times isn't more impressive. Krypto jumping on regular injured clark is a non factor when ya got goons like Metallo who beat down on a kryptonite weakened Superman as well with him being able to recover a bit enough to fight him off when in direct sunlight (with the JGs help ofc) like he's just actually worse off at the start of the film

As long as Superman is on Earth during the daytime he is passively healing / getting stronger from sunlight. His whistle clearly is beyond what a normal human can do, especially with lung damage. And like I said, you're trying to equate systemic cellular damage with crippling injuries. He could barely move because he had 14 fractured bones and organ damage. With kryptonite poisoning he had no broken bones but all his organs were probably failing, and again, no sunlight to offset any of that damage. And he was still weakened to the point where he was having trouble with a single Raptor who are Mister Terrific victims. And again, he had no powers after his long kryptonite exposure which means at a minimum, his solar energy stores were virtually depleted, which is factually a far better showing of weakness than the opening scene.

 

[Dalesean027]

As long as Superman is on Earth during the daytime he is passively healing / getting stronger from sunlight. His whistle clearly is beyond what a normal human can do, especially with lung damage. And like I said, you're trying to equate systemic cellular damage with crippling injuries. He could barely move because he had 14 fractured bones and organ damage. With kryptonite poisoning he had no broken bones but all his organs were probably failing, and again, no sunlight to offset any of that damage. And he was still weakened to the point where he was having trouble with a single Raptor who are Mister Terrific victims. And again, he had no powers after his long kryptonite exposure which means at a minimum, his solar energy stores were virtually depleted, which is factually a far better showing of weakness than the opening scene.

You keep using a lot of "probably" and "maybes" man in regards to this cellular destruction and organ failure stuff man probably because its never stated to do all of that, me personally I'm not going to argue based off of assumptions. Anyways your whole argument is pointless anyways went back and yeah the 292x Saharan Prime line isn't in the theatrical version of the film. The message feom his parents plays and then it goes straight to them saying "with a healthy dose of sunlight" yada yada and healing him right away so yeah deleted scenes ain't valid

 

[Golden_Void]

You keep using a lot of "probably" and "maybes" man in regards to this cellular destruction and organ failure stuff man probably because its never stated to do all of that, me personally I'm not going to argue based off of assumptions. Anyways your whole argument is pointless anyways went back and yeah the 292x Saharan Prime line isn't in the theatrical version of the film. The message feom his parents plays and then it goes straight to them saying "with a healthy dose of sunlight" yada yada and healing him right away so yeah deleted scenes ain't valid

The only assumption I made was his organ damage because we don't know. The movie is based in the assumption that people know the basic backstory of Superman, which is why iconic concepts aren't reintroduced like he's a brand new character. Kryptonite exposure = kryptonite poisoning = radiation poisoning, which causes cell death. This is a fact. Kryptonite affects his body's ability to absorb and process solar radiation, which is why he had no powers. Also, IIRC, he was exposed for over a day.

Outside of the organ failure thing you didn't debunk anything else.

 

[Dalesean027]

The only assumption I made was his organ damage because we don't know. The movie is based in the assumption that people know the basic backstory of Superman, which is why iconic concepts aren't reintroduced like he's a brand new character. Kryptonite exposure = kryptonite poisoning = radiation poisoning, which causes cell death. This is a fact. Kryptonite affects his body's ability to absorb and process solar radiation, which is why he had no powers. Also, IIRC, he was exposed for over a day.

Outside of the organ failure thing you didn't debunk anything else.

Brother wiki doesn't work off of assumptions like this, kryptonite effects every Superman is somewhat different ways and to varying degrees. The cell death and organ failure shit isn't established here so its headcanon which mean it doesn't mean anything for our purposes otherwise though you've had nothing to debunk because to the core of your argument is based on a deleted scene which would be unusable for the wiki

 

[Golden_Void]

Brother wiki doesn't work off of assumptions like this, kryptonite effects every Superman is somewhat different ways and to varying degrees. The cell death and organ failure shit isn't established here so its headcanon which mean it doesn't mean anything for our purposes otherwise though you've had nothing to debunk because to the core of your argument is based on a deleted scene which would be unusable for the wiki

The only assumption I made was his organ damage because we don't know.

Kryptonite isn't scientifically introduced, because as James Gunn said, he's expecting people to already know the lore going into the movie. Common knowledge isn't an assumption. But even if we go by only observable feats which is that kryptonite severely weakens Kryptonians to the point where they can no longer use their powers, you've never debunked my original argument that his weakness under kryptonite was greater than his weakness after being beaten, if nothing but the simple fact that he has no sun in the pocket universe, whereas he was passively healing constantly on Earth and displayed usage of his powers, which relies on the solar energy in his cells that he didn't have after being subjected to a day+ of kryptonite poisoning. The crux of your argument stands on the weak argument that Superman could weakly gather himself to his knees after being subjected to kryptonite, which he didn't do on Earth because he knew he could rely on Krypto (and he had broken bones).

You're literally arguing everything but my main point. And the 292x thing was only brought up once.

 

[Dalesean027]

Kryptonite isn't scientifically introduced, because as James Gunn said, he's expecting people to already know the lore going into the movie. Common knowledge isn't an assumption. But even if we go by only observable feats which is that kryptonite severely weakens Kryptonians to the point where they can no longer use their powers, you've never debunked my original argument that his weakness under kryptonite was greater than his weakness after being beaten, if nothing but the simple fact that he has no sun in the pocket universe, whereas he was passively healing constantly on Earth and displayed usage of his powers, which relies on the solar energy in his cells that he didn't have after being subjected to a day+ of kryptonite poisoning. The crux of your argument stands on the weak argument that Superman could weakly gather himself to his knees after being subjected to kryptonite, which he didn't do on Earth because he knew he could rely on Krypto (and he had broken bones).

You're literally arguing everything but my main point. And the 292x thing was only brought up once.

Dawg you're whole point in mentioning the organ shit and cell destruction was to say he was worse off but without both of those things to stand on then your argument misses like its entire bulk. You cant functionally prove cell death, organ danmage, and cancerous shit and thats not common to lots of adaptations of Superman affected by kryptonite so your the shit really falls apart.

The 292x shit is part of your whole point for arguing to begin with as well since you said "X thing should be at least that so multiply it by 292" which is how we started this, like do ya even know what you're arguing for anymore

 

[Golden_Void]

Dawg you're whole point in mentioning the organ shit and cell destruction was to say he was worse off but without both of those things to stand on then your argument misses like its entire bulk. You cant functionally prove cell death, organ danmage, and cancerous shit and thats not common to lots of adaptations of Superman affected by kryptonite so your the shit really falls apart.

The 292x shit is part of your whole point for arguing to begin with as well since you said "X thing should be at least that so multiply it by 292" which is how we started this, like do ya even know what you're arguing for anymore

My original point was finding how much energy Superman needs from the sun, which we only need Metamorpho's sun for. My point is that he had to receive more energy from his sun than the real sun because he was in a weaker state yet recovered quicker. The actual number is irrelevant, and simple magnifying glass math could retrieve the answer anyway. And in either case, I'm 60% sure it's not going to result in an upgrade but it is a good feat to quantify nonetheless.

You're still bringing up organ death and that was like 3 replies ago from me, which at this point has to be an intentional strawman. So I'll make my current argument abundantly clear for you.

But even if we go by only observable feats which is that kryptonite severely weakens Kryptonians to the point where they can no longer use their powers, you've never debunked my original argument that his weakness under kryptonite was greater than his weakness after being beaten, if nothing but the simple fact that he has no sun in the pocket universe, whereas he was passively healing constantly on Earth and displayed usage of his powers, which relies on the solar energy in his cells that he didn't have after being subjected to a day+ of kryptonite poisoning. The crux of your argument stands on the weak argument that Superman could weakly gather himself to his knees after being subjected to kryptonite, which he didn't do on Earth because he knew he could rely on Krypto (and he had broken bones).

 

[Dalesean027]

My original point was finding how much energy Superman needs from the sun, which we only need Metamorpho's sun for. My point is that he had to receive more energy from his sun than the real sun because he was in a weaker state yet recovered quicker. The actual number is irrelevant, and simple magnifying glass math could retrieve the answer anyway. And in either case, I'm 60% sure it's not going to result in an upgrade but it is a good feat to quantify nonetheless.

This shit makes 0 sense

If the actual number is irrelevant than your ass spent all this time arguing to for literally nothing when in my first post I already said I can include ISL I just said doing luminosity probably is more accurate

 

[Golden_Void]

This shit makes 0 sense

If the actual number is irrelevant than your ass spent all this time arguing to for literally nothing when in my first post I already said I can include ISL I just said doing luminosity probably is more accurate

Bro said "I can just use luminosity" as if that's not a fraction of the energy that comes from the sun. Which is exactly why I'm arguing what I'm arguing, because you're gonna end up finding some stupid small number that doesn't make any contextual sense when analyzing both feats, and the fact that he's only receiving a portion of the total luminosity (and other composing energies). Especially if you believe creating a star is Tier 8/9.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Has this been addressed so far ?

 

[Dalesean027]

Has this been addressed so far ?

Yeah I mean this happening doesn't mean anything, its a feat for Lex and his goons not an anti-feat for Superman

The novel blatantly says Supes has microsecond reaction time and fights at mach speeds. Supes at a few points in his fights throws blows that are relativistic or deep into mach against Ultraman.
Ultraman can of course exceed Supes' perception or reactions with blows, punches, etc.

There's like 5+ layers that of stuff that all lead to "Super must be fighting at this speed otherwise he would never be tagged", and even in that very fight, there's instances of him moving at stupid speeds and throwing stupid attacks that confirm yep, he's fighting that fast and it isn't up for debate because we just literally watched him do it on screen.

Which is to say Lex and whatnot giving commands? Not even "it's a movie", they just downscale ig, not like they have anti-feats. Like, wow shocker a DC human is superfast? Not like comic Lex doesn't have legit mach to FTL feats and his ass is just a human too. Would we say Batman deflecting gunfire or hearing a mach 3 bullet before it hits this happened don't count because human?

If you wanted to be actually anal, you could even say the whole fight doesn't make sense, in the time the sound from Lex's voice moved, any action would be far to late, based SOLELY on the fact that in the fight alone there's evidence of supersonic motions and movement, like how is Lex saying 236m when like 5 sonic booms just happened so whatever he was saying that toward has long since past?

 

[Dalesean027]

Widely said that August 26th is our digital release date so the question now is, do we want to wait for release date to get HD scans for profiles then produce them?

 

[LordTracer]

do we want to wait for release date to get HD scans for profiles then produce them?

We should definitely wait imo. I’m pretty sure the calcs would need to be adjusted with HD scans too.

 

[Dalesean027]

Widely said that August 26th is our digital release date so the question now is, do we want to wait for release date to get HD scans for profiles then produce them?

Update on this

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

brainiac seems likely for the next movie

 

[Dalesean027]

Wonder if anything notable will come out of this

 

[BatFellow]

Apparently they got a Krypto short that comes with the home release of Superman. We could take it as being canon to the movie since they're trying to imply this is the same Krypto, and the short does give some potential feats/abilities:

• Can see through walls, shortly after smashes through a wall
• Laser eyes that can saw the Daily Planet globe in half quite cleanly.
• Freezes a statue solid and then smashes it with one punch
• Super breath is so strong it makes the current of the water move the opposite direction
• Stops a bus stop completely in free fall
• Krypto is at least intelligent enough to know to bring the school bus to the school at the end

Scaling these feats to Superman I think is fair, both because Krypto in the movie is able to hurt Ultraman, a Superman clone who is said to be "as strong if not stronger" than him, and he's a Kryptonian dog, so I figure there should be some connection with where he gets those powers.

 

[Tonygameman]

And as said in a DCU thread, it's the pilot episode to a upcoming HBO Max spin-off short series.

 

[Dalesean027]

Apparently they got a Krypto short that comes with the home release of Superman. We could take it as being canon to the movie since they're trying to imply this is the same Krypto, and the short does give some potential feats/abilities:

• Can see through walls, shortly after smashes through a wall
• Laser eyes that can saw the Daily Planet globe in half quite cleanly.
• Freezes a statue solid and then smashes it with one punch
• Super breath is so strong it makes the current of the water move the opposite direction
• Stops a bus stop completely in free fall
• Krypto is at least intelligent enough to know to bring the school bus to the school at the end

Scaling these feats to Superman I think is fair, both because Krypto in the movie is able to hurt Ultraman, a Superman clone who is said to be "as strong if not stronger" than him, and he's a Kryptonian dog, so I figure there should be some connection with where he gets those powers.

Yeah this is just the thread for Superman spoilers we have the actual general DCU thread though for all things DCU so that's where we talked about this yesterday but still thanks for listing stuff

 

[That_moron2]

Kyrpto the Superdog (DCU)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Updated Krypto with the short

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Apparently they got a Krypto short that comes with the home release of Superman. We could take it as being canon to the movie since they're trying to imply this is the same Krypto, and the short does give some potential feats/abilities:

• Can see through walls, shortly after smashes through a wall
• Laser eyes that can saw the Daily Planet globe in half quite cleanly.
• Freezes a statue solid and then smashes it with one punch
• Super breath is so strong it makes the current of the water move the opposite direction
• Stops a bus stop completely in free fall
• Krypto is at least intelligent enough to know to bring the school bus to the school at the end

Scaling these feats to Superman I think is fair, both because Krypto in the movie is able to hurt Ultraman, a Superman clone who is said to be "as strong if not stronger" than him, and he's a Kryptonian dog, so I figure there should be some connection with where he gets those powers.

The minor toon force in this short does give me some problems of this being canon to the movie.

And also, how does that one kid sleep through all that? Damn

 

[That_moron2]

The minor toon force in this short does give me some problems of this being canon to the movie.

And also, how does that one kid sleep through all that? Damn

Its supposed to be tie in for Superman. I think the best way to interpret it would be to say that something along these lines happened just in a less exaggerated way

 

[That_moron2]

Maybe sort of like how some of the DCEU is treated where the plot relevant things are considered canon, but other stuff isn't

 

[Dalesean027]

 

[Osemere]

Apparently they got a Krypto short that comes with the home release of Superman. We could take it as being canon to the movie since they're trying to imply this is the same Krypto, and the short does give some potential feats/abilities:

• Can see through walls, shortly after smashes through a wall
• Laser eyes that can saw the Daily Planet globe in half quite cleanly.
• Freezes a statue solid and then smashes it with one punch
• Super breath is so strong it makes the current of the water move the opposite direction
• Stops a bus stop completely in free fall
• Krypto is at least intelligent enough to know to bring the school bus to the school at the end

Scaling these feats to Superman I think is fair, both because Krypto in the movie is able to hurt Ultraman, a Superman clone who is said to be "as strong if not stronger" than him, and he's a Kryptonian dog, so I figure there should be some connection with where he gets those powers.

https://www.animationmagazine.net/2025/02/krypto-the-superdog-to-wag-his-tail-in-new-series-of-dc-shorts/

Peter Safran here (co-head of DC with Gunn) says “it’s definitely the Krypto you fall in love with in Superman”, so take that as you will.

 

[ShawnFaux]

Apparently they got a Krypto short that comes with the home release of Superman. We could take it as being canon to the movie since they're trying to imply this is the same Krypto, and the short does give some potential feats/abilities:

• Can see through walls, shortly after smashes through a wall
• Laser eyes that can saw the Daily Planet globe in half quite cleanly.
• Freezes a statue solid and then smashes it with one punch
• Super breath is so strong it makes the current of the water move the opposite direction
• Stops a bus stop completely in free fall
• Krypto is at least intelligent enough to know to bring the school bus to the school at the end

Scaling these feats to Superman I think is fair, both because Krypto in the movie is able to hurt Ultraman, a Superman clone who is said to be "as strong if not stronger" than him, and he's a Kryptonian dog, so I figure there should be some connection with where he gets those powers.

I'm glad this short at least confirmed that Krypto has all the same powers that Clark does. I know that's typically the case in the case in the comics, but we didn't know for sure based solely on the movie. But also, I can't lie, it did feel kinda silly nitpicking which powers he had and which he didn't, before.

 

[ShawnFaux]

It's official, the movie is available on PVOD, now.

Can't find the steelbook in-stock anywhere, so this will have to do until I can get it.

 

[Dalesean027]

I've got a 4k digital copy so I'll be able to get scans

 

[That_moron2]

I've got a 4k digital copy so I'll be able to get scans

If you could grab Krypto knocking over Ultraman I'd appreciate that

 

[Dalesean027]

If you could grab Krypto knocking over Ultraman I'd appreciate that

Ofc

 

[ShawnFaux]

If you could grab Krypto knocking over Ultraman I'd appreciate that

I feel like trying to grab Krypto isn't a very good idea tbh