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Why does Yuta get so much glaze in in verse fights but goes 
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Yuta Okkotsu vs Fern (Jujutsu Kaisen vs Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End)
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Yes, but against Ecco. Not against ******* Fern. Yuta's getting wiped. Yuta's absolute best option would be reversing her attacks with Sky Manip but she can just redirect her attacks so that's a no-go.
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On the one hand, people still arguing that Yuta wins are clearly biased. On the other hand, it's hilarious to see a character with all of these cool hax (including the ability to induce death with a single word) lose to someone else who's basically just a really good range spammer.
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Having a billion abilities isn't inherently a good thing tbh (unless you have like precog or good infoanalysis like Samus or something so you know exactly what abilities you should be using). Like if Yuta always lead with DE, like if that was HIS thing, his MO, he'd probably win more often than not.
He don't tho, he has a bunch of options, and when half those options ultimately just waste time, it's a problem.
Fern literally just does one thing 99% of the time, we always know what she's gonna do, there is no "well maybe she does this or this", because of that we know how she's gonna play her cards, and if it works, it works, and if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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Fern FRA.
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Try arguing against a 3x speed difference...
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people are revising the profiles dog, be patient, ain't even just me either
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In a speed-equalized scenario, Fern holds the advantage due to her superior long-range magic, faster casting, and precision. Despite Yuta’s higher physical stats and the aid of Rika, his reliance on five-minute burst windows with Full Manifestation and his inefficient cursed energy usage put him at a disadvantage against Fern’s consistent pressure and refined mana control. Her ability to suppress her presence, land multi-directional attacks, and snipe from afar makes closing the distance a serious risk for Yuta.
Yuta’s best shot is landing a well-timed Cursed Speech or overwhelming her with Rika early on. However, if Fern survives that initial assault, her strategic casting and superior magical endurance let her dominate the mid-to-long range game. Given this, Fern wins more often than not—likely 6 or 7 out of 10 times—with mid-to-high difficulty. FERN FRA
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Are we actually so far gone we have AI analysis for ******* AIOkay bro
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hasnt grace already ended or?
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Buttersamuri VictimOkay bro
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Fern FRA
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Profiles are under revisions rn.
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bruh
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That doesn't mean much, it'd get added all the same, just changed if any future changes would effect the match a notable amount.
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The stomp is that I made it tf up
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Because ive read the 5 pages of this. You have too so i dont know why you disagree
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'>is the one guy who says its a stomp
'>doesn't explain position
'>"don't know why you disagree"
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To summarize. Fern starts the fight spamming hundreds of beams that is 3x faster than yuta and can curve while also flying to create distance. Jacob's ladder doesnt do anything cuz no equalization, sky manipulation is useless since he needs to physically pull space to activate it but also because the beams are controlled. Rika cant spawn behind fern because she'll sense it and along with her 3x speed easily dodge since her flight scales to her attack speed. Curse speech wont work because zoltraak causes huge explosions so it wont be heard. Domain was never even relevant in the conversation. Did I miss something?'>is the one guy who says its a stomp
'>doesn't explain position
'>"don't know why you disagree"
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Should've said that page 1 not page 5 after 3 different people, you included, argued extensively, like the fact it lasted this longs means it can't be a stomped.
Yuta has DE, that's a decent wincon Fern can't actually stop. If he leads with that he has an aight chance. If he doesn't, well that's how matches work, losing 90% of the time doesn't make it a stomp, if Fern lost 90% of the time we wouldn't be calling it a stomp, we'd be calling it a normal match.
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Maybe ya'll should've picked one of his actual good options to argue instead of sky and slop
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Be fr. I conceded all the points I argued. Page length doesnt disqualify a stomp.
You've argued extensively that fern will immediately start the fight by simuntainusly spamming zoltraak and creating distance. And then you argued that if yuta survives the inital zoltraak spam she would create even more distance(potentially up to kilometers away) and damage boost her attacks. You also argued against yuta's two methods of closing the distance; getting launched with rika and flight with sky manip. So with this in mind, how in the world will yuta get her in the range of domain expansion.
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It kind of does when multiple people besides you argued it.
Yep.
I didn't argue that actually, that would imply she stops flying or something, I never implied she would.
Not that she wouldn't do that, but I didn't actually make that point.
Yeh if he's "tanking them" like half the goons argued. She wouldn't exactly have much of an option.
Yep.
By doing it as his lead, as long as he does it within 0.07 seconds (this isn't even a random number, it's how long it'd take her to get out of range of all his shit), she'd technically be close enough.
Will he though? Will he even realize that's his only option before it's to late? Will he opt to do that over healing or trying to buff or Rika or etc (both just get him killed as she's still probably gonna follow up with damage boost), etc, hell will he even realize how far she's gone due to the blasts? There's a lot of a caveats and options, but once he gets DE up speed matters a lot less as his attacks autospawn, so unless she already did damage boost in that timeframe, he might hurt her enough to disorient long enough to follow up for a win buuut....
That only works if he immediately does DE, not as his 3rd option, or his second, or even just thinking and analyzing a bit, he needs to commit instantly the match starts. Him doing so is unlikely but hey, it's there, and tbh it really isn't my problem to argue the oppositions wincons.
Tho half you lads argued contradictory things, the last dude basically self sabotaged with saying Yuta won't even try to get close, will let her go away, and will 100% try to lead with CS but shrug, that ain't on me.
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90% ain't NEVER. Don't try to pull this behavior 200 posts in, it's in bad taste.
That's the type of thing that "Star Platinum shrinks down, phases, enters someone's carotid artery, expands, and blocks it, stopping blood flow and killing them instantly" type thing. Yeah he CAN do that, but he never has and never will.
That's the type of thing that "Star Platinum shrinks down, phases, enters someone's carotid artery, expands, and blocks it, stopping blood flow and killing them instantly" type thing. Yeah he CAN do that, but he never has and never will.
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Fern stomps FRA
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Before I respond to chariot, is this a joke or are you actually voting fern?
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Reminder every reply just proves my point
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You have no point.Reminder every reply just proves my point
"Or she could just fly away from the sound, either way you convinced me she wont get taken out by cursed speech(which is the only thing he can use to really affect her) so she stomps"
This is what I said on the 2nd page btw.
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If I have no point then why did you concede?
Yeah but you don't decide if it's a stomp, that isn't up to you and never will be.
Multiple people don't think it is, hell I don't think it is and I'm the dude who wasted way more time than any of you deserved arguing it.
He has a win condition, it's something he has done before, it isn't something he will do quick enough 90% of the time though and as such loses. That's how matches work.
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A decisive win isn't a stomp. You can't just argue for 5 pages (not jaynic, his is the first two, I know cause I've been lurking) then turn around and declare it a stomp causes someone loses.
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Yuta has a very strong win condition. It is just something he doesn't start with, or something he is able to capitalize on.
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Honestly though, how did no one argue Yuta using his domain and changing its coordinates as a way to get within range of Fern? That's one good way for he and Rika to close the distance and it's something he actually did canonically
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