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I didn’t even noticed it said that, damn autocorrect and yes I know this sight is meant for powerscaling but if all u do is just look at certain aspects and nothing else then all u gonna do is not truly see what the movie is meant to be
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Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Blacke, you do remember that you’re on VS Battles Wiki, right? Powerscaling is kinda the thing we do here. And I don’t know what makes you think we haven’t just discussed the movie in the TWENTY pages that this thread has gone on for.
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Again we have already spoken in number about our thoughts, enjoyments, likes, dislikes of things in this movie not a soul watched it with the purpose of solely powerscaling if that's what you want to see go to the previous pages otherwise yeah we've already talked in number about that stuff so now we're working on indexing
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~Goes specifically to a powerscaling forum
~Complains that people there are doing powerscaling
Make it make sense, dude. Also, I dunno, the several pages of discussion up to this point kinda tell me that we all have a pretty good idea of what the movie is meant to be.
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second 8-B support feat which doubles as Class G
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Dinobot1996
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It's rather impressive how consistent 8-B for Superman and High 8-C for non-Superman high tier metahumans seems to be so far, though I guess we'll have to see if Metamorpho's feat gets accepted at a level that could get Superman well above that, or if it will just provide more support.
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Yeah between literally all the DCU stuff its consistent, the Kaiju, Starro, Justice Gang, Metallo, and Dr. Phosphorus all have High 8-C stuff consistently which fits with them being far above what the 9-Bs can do and Superman above even that
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Does surviving in anti matter grant any tier (By calculating energy per sec) ? Or is it just anti matter manipulation?
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It does not grant any durability. It just grant resistance to antimatter manipulation.
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Mentioned this to some people yesterday, but I will post it here as well.
Uncomfortable truth about this movie, is that while it was pretty big generally-speaking, it's still going to be a loss for Warner Brothers. Best to come to terms with that now so the Snyder-fans don't hurt ya later.
The simple truth is that this movie cost about 350 million dollars including the production budget and promotion/advertising.
It is currently just surpassing 500 million dollars at the global box office. Even if we assume it hits 600 million, WB will end up losing about 100 million dollars on it. The studio only makes 50% of domestic gross, and about 1/3'd of the international gross, if you're curious on how that happens. This is why it's usually safe to say a movie needs to make anywhere from 2 to 2.5 times its total budget to break even or make a substantial profit. For Superman, that would be 700 million to 900 million dollars.
Based on how things are going, it's probably safe to say that's unlikely to happen.
Movies like this are just so expensive to make nowadays, and the audience continues to get smaller as they become more untrustworthy of studios. Plus, with how quickly movies are moved to streaming services nowadays, many would rather just wait for the blu-ray or digital copies.
Then again, this is the first movie in the new DCU, so it didn't have as much of an established audience as say, the MCU. Especially overseas. And we all know how badly Snyder's DC went, so the audience has even less trust than usual.
It isn't all bad though. This movie reintroduced the universe to international markets, which could be especially good moving forward. It also DID surpass MoS in the domestic category, which means Americans are still intrigued, at least.
We'll see what happens in the near future.
Uncomfortable truth about this movie, is that while it was pretty big generally-speaking, it's still going to be a loss for Warner Brothers. Best to come to terms with that now so the Snyder-fans don't hurt ya later.
The simple truth is that this movie cost about 350 million dollars including the production budget and promotion/advertising.
It is currently just surpassing 500 million dollars at the global box office. Even if we assume it hits 600 million, WB will end up losing about 100 million dollars on it. The studio only makes 50% of domestic gross, and about 1/3'd of the international gross, if you're curious on how that happens. This is why it's usually safe to say a movie needs to make anywhere from 2 to 2.5 times its total budget to break even or make a substantial profit. For Superman, that would be 700 million to 900 million dollars.
Based on how things are going, it's probably safe to say that's unlikely to happen.
Movies like this are just so expensive to make nowadays, and the audience continues to get smaller as they become more untrustworthy of studios. Plus, with how quickly movies are moved to streaming services nowadays, many would rather just wait for the blu-ray or digital copies.
Then again, this is the first movie in the new DCU, so it didn't have as much of an established audience as say, the MCU. Especially overseas. And we all know how badly Snyder's DC went, so the audience has even less trust than usual.
It isn't all bad though. This movie reintroduced the universe to international markets, which could be especially good moving forward. It also DID surpass MoS in the domestic category, which means Americans are still intrigued, at least.
We'll see what happens in the near future.
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Well this isn't entirely correct in Superman's case since the marketing budget is known to be 125m, whaf I mean by that is that the 2~2.5 multipler is used as a general rule of thumb to take into account the marketing budget as well as some other expenses like distribution along with whatever expenses a theater would take out and that's multiplied off of the production budget alone not including marketing since its multiplied to begin with to take that into account so it'd moreso be like this.
2.5 * 225 which would mean 562.5m is what's needed to break even not anything near 700m~900m, if it earned that much it would be a huge profit for them not a break even point. Remember WB considers 500m a success for this movie which wouldn't be the case if they apparently lost 200~400m from other expenses. So alls to say you did your math wrong and misunderstood what the 2.5 multiplier is meant for since its meant for taking all other expenses aside from production. Superman is projected to hit around 560m by the end of this weekened and by the end of next week 600m so its definitely passing break even.
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225 million is just the production. The marketing is 125 milllion.
That means 350 million total. My math wasn't wrong.
Also, its more accurate to just use the real numbers. Let's say it makes 350 million domestically and 250 million internationally. WB gets 50% of domestic and 33% of international. That is still just 260 million recouped.
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You don't seem to grasp multiply by 2.5 is only multiplied off of the production alone, its used to account for all other expenses including marketing. So yes it would be 2.5 * 225 to account for everything as a whole however in Superman's case they told us how much the marketing budget was which would mean with break even point being 562.5m the other expenses you're trying to find would be 212.5m million
2.5x = Marketing, Distribution, Theater Splits, cost to put the movie out for streaming, etc.
You don't include the 125m in the multiplying of 225m production since thats the whole point of the 2.5x measure
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This.
350M is the total budget. They make back 260M going with a 600 million dollar gross assumption. That's a loss of 90 million.
Assuming 700 million gross (400 domestic and 300 international), they would recoup 300 million, still ending with a total loss of 50 million dollars.
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WB already considers the movie a success so I really don’t see why this should matter to any of us tbh.
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Idk man, no disrespect intended, but this comes across like you're throwing out mostly speculative numbers just to doom post
I know you could argue that Gunn and WB studio executives would have incentives to lie, but there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about that when they say things like that they would be happy with just more than 500 million and that less 700 million wouldn't be a flop, I'm inclined to believe them.
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Your math is wrong tho? You're doubling up twice over, you don't do that even with a rule of thumb guideline.
And that's assuming a strict absolute, fact of the matter is we don't know how much exactly was spent in marketing and all that, it could just as easily be less.
Why you're acting like you know makes no sense, you don't know, maybe they did lose a bit, or maybe they net positive, we won't know for sure for quite some time, yapping about it now let alone acting it like you know for sure is just kind of a waste of all our time.
Tho looking it over I'm pretty damn sure they've gone net positive so far by a good 30% but shrug, I'm not gonna act like I know for sure just like you shouldn't.
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You seem very weirdly insistent about this.
"Hey all you guys that like this movie, did you know that it's a flop? It's not a big deal, but also remember that it's absolutely a flop guys I'm 100% sure of it!"
Strange behavior, all I'm saying.
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I also liked the movie lol. I was literally the first reply on this thread. I have hope for the DCU, I just think people should be aware of the fact that this movie and the DCU overall aren't starting off profitable. It's a general discussion thread, after all.
I'm not doom posting or anything of the sort. My initial post even mentions that I think this movie will reawaken more movement overseas for the next projects.
Also, the only reason I continued posting is because people said I'm wrong about that. Unfortunately, I don't think so. 350 million for production + advertising seems to be the general estimate. From there it is just basic math calculating how much they'd need to break even with studios only recouping 20-50% of the overall gross (depending on international vs domestic). If you disagree feel free to do that math yourself ig.
I'm not doom posting or anything of the sort. My initial post even mentions that I think this movie will reawaken more movement overseas for the next projects.
Also, the only reason I continued posting is because people said I'm wrong about that. Unfortunately, I don't think so. 350 million for production + advertising seems to be the general estimate. From there it is just basic math calculating how much they'd need to break even with studios only recouping 20-50% of the overall gross (depending on international vs domestic). If you disagree feel free to do that math yourself ig.
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Apologies for not remembering you, then. My bad.
I stand by the fact that it's still too early to say that it's not profitable. I think you're wrong about that, full stop.
But I don't want to get too hostile about it. It is what it is, at the end of the day
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Your math is faulty because the core premise you're using it wrong to begin with
You're doing 2.5x total budget (including marketing) when the 2.5x is what takes marketing into account though, its 2.5x production to get the correct numbers so you're being a downer and making a claim as if you're 100% correct while using faulty math for no real reason when the break even point is 562.5m calculating by traditional methods.
Hell even that outside math aside there are sources that say it only needs 600m to start making profit which is just a bit higher but even outside of that WB says 500m means this is successful and then taking into account the source above here with Gunn and WB saying anything like 700m is outrageous to be considered break even, it just consistently shows that what you're saying 1 is wrong and 2 is just being a major downer insistently for nothing despite all of what the studio and the correct numbers say
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Who is working on Lex's profile?
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How does this affect the powerscaling?
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Watched the movie last night, it was absolute cinema. The extent of Lex Luthor's hatred throughout the movie is baffling and it reminds me of racism, but directed toward a single person. It makes no sense to the viewer, yet the character consistently shows that flare of hatred for the one he despises. The writing was good as well. For my personal rating, I'm giving it an 8.7/10.
Any idea of his power scaling so far?
Any idea of his power scaling so far?
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if your talking about the tier, then it's like 8-B
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Judging by the fact that he's not willing to ram his opponents through buildings or do immense damage to structures, I figured he'd probably be one of the weaker scaling supermen
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would rather a super-MAN
Than a SUPER-man
which speaking of superman, I'm currently watching it rn yipee
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Superman 8-B+, MHS+, and Class G
Justice Gang: High 8-C
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Wouldn't metamorpho be tier 7-6 via creation?
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If the high end for his star creation is accepted sure but that doesn't scale to like anyone
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was in the Fortnite event that just happened, does he get any scaling from that? /s
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Is the Superman movie a good start for the new dcu?
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I think so
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