Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 3 (High 6-A Scaling)

[TartaChocholate]

I mean, the disagreement a couple of us have with the current stats is because the current explanation seems insufficient for them, not because there's anything wrong with Fist of the North Star being strong. If different feats or better arguments are brought up the situation itself would change.

 

[Antvasima]

Try asking staff that's not necessarily related with FotNS. Given it's a rather straightforward scaling revision it shouldn't be much of an issue.

I personally still think what I mentioned before. I don't think they were being literal with Kaioh and it was more referring how disastrous it would be for such a powerful and diabolical individual to run unchecked.

Anyway, what do staff members currently need to help out with here, in terms of calculations to be made or evaluated, or other revisions to be evaluated, for example?

If you want help from our staff, you need to clearly define what you need our help with exactly.

Is somebody willing to write a summary for this please?

 

[TartaChocholate]

Is somebody willing to write a summary for this please?

Well, if I understand it correctly, so far the verse scales to Multi-Continental level because the character Jukei states that if the villain Kaioh were to lose the armor restraining his power a disaster of immeasurable proportions would occur. The context is that Jukei has deep knowledge of Kaioh's power, but also is a survivor of the nuclear war that happened in the setting's backstory, which dried up the seas of the planet.

The argument is that since Jukei knows the extent of the damage caused by the nuclear war and acts if as Kaioh was the biggest disaster that could occur, Kaioh then must be more powerful than the nuclear bombs that dried up the seas of the Planet.

That's the point of contention some of us have, it feels farfetched. Jukei doesn't directly say Kaioh is the most powerful force he's ever seen or even compares him to the nuclear war, or even brings the nuclear war up. He simply says it would be disastrous if Kaioh's power was unleashed. The disaster he mentions could occur doesn't necessarily mean in scale, since he also brings up that Kaioh and Hokuto no Ken users are evil, so it could also be taken that if such a terrible individual were to become so powerful who knows what atrotcities he would commit. Then there's the whole matter that it could be hyperbole or a figure of speech to emphasize how dire it would be for Kaioh to gain his power.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems reasonable to me. And how would this affect the FotNS statistics more specifically?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

My Fist of the North Star knowledge has not been up to date in a hot minute. But I think High 6-A still makes sense. But I can understand why it could be contested. I think if it’s that much of a problem, a possibly is also fine, because it could be interpreted both ways.

That’s my take, but it’s been a hot minute so there’s probably some stuff I forgot, as I haven’t focused on Fist of the North Star much recently (well except for that trailer for the new anime, eugh)

 

[Twellas]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

 

[Eseseso]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

Wasn't it also stated that the most powerful HNK had the capability to "destroy the world"? A bit hyperbolic but still.

 

[Twellas]

and there we go with the hyperbole talk lmao

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

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This could also make Star level a bit more consistent no? Alas I think putting this through the Official Translation Requests thread would be best (cuz machine translations aren’t allowed from what I know, so oof)

 

[TartaChocholate]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

On itself Kaioh's statement is not enough IMO. But those scans are pretty straightforward and the whole situation changes with it. You should probably take them to the translation request thread to validate them given machine translation is not allowed for revisions, but there shouldn't be any issues.

 

[Stefano4444]

Assuming that the translations are indeed accurate, i think at least we can have First of the North Star characters at either 'possibly/likely Planet level', 'possibly/likely Solar System level' or maybe even 'possibly/likely Planet level to Solar System level'.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Assuming that the translations are indeed accurate, i think at least we can have First of the North Star characters at either 'possibly/likely Planet level', 'possibly/likely Solar System level' or maybe even 'possibly/likely Planet level to Solar System level'.

I understand Solar System level. But where is Planet level coming from if I may ask? I’m not really seeing it (or maybe I’m misreading it, but I’m just seeing more of Multi Continent level, but that’s kinda a low ball)

 

[TartaChocholate]

It would be good to have the original pages with the untouched text at hand as well not only those cropped bits.

 

[Stefano4444]

I understand Solar System level. But where is Planet level coming from if I may ask? I’m not really seeing it (or maybe I’m misreading it, but I’m just seeing more of Multi Continent level, but that’s kinda a low ball)

I guess that also can work of we want to keep the Multi-Continent level without rely on Kaioh's iffy statement.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I guess that also can work of we want to keep the Multi-Continent level without rely on Kaioh's iffy statement.

Doesn't Kenshiro destroyed Kotetsu nuke proof bunker with one punch. The nuke Toki gaiden was calculated to be Multi-Continental if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Silvervigilant]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

As much as liked to read this, i don't know if it's enough to be accepted here.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Assuming that the translations are indeed accurate, i think at least we can have First of the North Star characters at either 'possibly/likely Planet level', 'possibly/likely Solar System level' or maybe even 'possibly/likely Planet level to Solar System level'.

What are the arguments for Solar System Level?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

What are the arguments for Solar System Level?

The supernova thing I think.

 

[TartaChocholate]

It would be good to have the original raws for that and take them to the translation thread.

 

[Stefano4444]

The supernova thing I think.

And the gamma ray bust punch

 

[Nami_Kami]

Jagi's solar system level shotgun solos

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Jagi's solar system level shotgun solos

I wheezed

 

[Silvervigilant]

And the gamma ray bust punch

Yeah, i don't think that's enough.

 

[Stefano4444]

Bump

 

[Stefano4444]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

Have you reached any conclusions here?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

Were these things brought up in the translation request thread to be verified?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Were these things brought up in the translation request thread to be verified?

No

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

In the latest Regenesis chapter Kenshin, a character stated by word of god to punch with the force of a gamma ray burst and capable of generating energy equal to a supernova by clapping his hands, is currently tanking and ultimately overpowering a blast from Erika, whose power is capable of powering up a device that at a lowball is capable of single-handedly causing the HNK apocalypse and is more consistently stated to be able to "destroy the world" and "turn it to ash".
Stressing over that Kaioh statement is so goofy to me when this is the level of power that's more consistently displayed once you actually look into it

@Executor_N0 @SeijiSetto sorry for bothering but can you verify this real quick?

 

[SeijiSetto]

@Executor_N0 @SeijiSetto sorry for bothering but can you verify this real quick?

these are fine translations
"energy like a supernova explosion" and "turn the world to ash" are both present

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

these are fine translations
"energy like a supernova explosion" and "turn the world to ash" are both present

Thank you

Me personally, I think this is one of those cases where you can go "At least High 6-A, possibly 4-C" if we want to be safe. But honestly, the statement is so straightforward that I wouldn't mind the solid rating.

 

[Stefano4444]

"At least High 6-A, possibly 4-C"

This, seen like a fair compromise.

We only need to determinate who should scale from this.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Aren’t Supernovas tiered at High 4-C at least? or is 4-C just the bare minimum?

 

[Stefano4444]

Aren’t Supernovas tiered at High 4-C at least? or is 4-C just the bare minimum?

Yeah you right, actually if we also accept the gamma ray burst statement then 4-B make more sense.

 

[Stefano4444]

Bump

 

[TartaChocholate]

Say, I not wanting to be stubborn or anything but, just in case, I think it should be best if we got the raw guidebook scan as well to check the text and not the extracted bit already on the translator. Sorry for the bother, but there have already been cases of japanese text not being accurate before being translated. The original raw in the actual guidebook scan would dispel this issue right away.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Say, I not wanting to be stubborn or anything but, just in case, I think it should be best if we got the raw guidebook scan as well to check the text and not the extracted bit already on the translator. Sorry for the bother, but there have already been cases of japanese text not being accurate before being translated. The original raw in the actual guidebook scan would dispel this issue right away.

It was in one of the Regenesis chapters, so it hopefully shouldn’t be too hard to find. But it’s in Japanese only from what I can tell so OOF

 

[TartaChocholate]

It was in one of the Regenesis chapters, so it hopefully shouldn’t be too hard to find. But it’s in Japanese only from what I can tell so OOF

Well, not having an official translation isn't that much of an issue. What I meant was having a proper scan of the raw to ensure the Japanese original text that is being translated here is indeed accurate. Just to make.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Well, not having an official translation isn't that much of an issue. What I meant was having a proper scan of the raw to ensure the Japanese original text that is being translated here is indeed accurate. Just to make.

I know what you mean. I’m just saying finding the original might be a hassle. But I believe the statement happens around Chapter 28 of Regenesis? I’ll try and find the scans.

EDIT: Okay never mind, it probably is a guidebook lol