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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Ultimuru said:
Does WN Reinhard solos fiction tho? I saw he have ability to tell the difference between salt and sugar. I am scared of this man...
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His list of divine protection is crazy tbh, he is definition of Deus ex machina and living breathing plot armour but his backstory is quite sad
 
@EldemadeDityjon

I have a question. In the scan for the planet lvl/star lvl of Gluttony, it's said that it will devour stars plural, why is it only "likely star" ?
 
SweetDao said:
@EldemadeDityjon

I have a question. In the scan for the planet lvl/star lvl of Gluttony, it's said that it will devour stars plural, why is it only "likely star" ?
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Maybe be because hoshi cah mean star or planet/celestial bodies? Also plural or singular is dependent on context..
Idk the rating was already there. I didn't paid much attention to that.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Maybe be because hoshi cah mean star or planet/celestial bodies? Also plural or singular is dependent on context..
Idk the rating was already there. I didn't paid much attention to that.
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It was there since like 2022 iirc, or even before that. Back when vsbw used to give immeasurable speed to everyone for statement like "transcending time" lmao
Edit: Found it
@SweetDao
 
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Honestly, volume 11 in manga form will help clear a lot of things up on the cycle debacle and we will get to see the promised land as well!

And when the main ln series ends, fuse might want to change things in the manga retroactively adding more scenes like diablo slapping the eyeball out of venom lol.
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
By the way do we consider revenge of clayman as canon to the main story
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Yes. His skill basically allows him to regress to the past similar to chloe's. So he's just inside another timeline of the cardinal world parallel to the main timeline where Rimuru killed him...
We also already use some explanations from the spin-off in our pages, like the Accelerated Development part in Magic and Skills and Species.
Which, by the way, is literally a proof for alternate timelines/parallel worlds existing.
 
Mizuki67 said:
Clayman revenge isn't canon but the information within is
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It's not "Canon" insofar as that it's not following the main timeline that the Light Novel is. It's a separate timeline, ultimately canon to the Multiverse itself.
Otherwise we have no reason to use information from it if it isn't even canon.
 
So let's discuss this rn, the ultimate existences resist every ability tied to the rules or do they naturally resist those abilities. Because a downgrade would be done by someone else if we don't tackle this issue rn (Velgrynd has resistance to absorption)

1. Via the ability being tied to rules of the world

2. Via resisting the ability in earnest.

Sooner or later those many resistances would be erased, so any digital evidence that it's option two rather than one?

ALSOOOOOO, not all ultimate skill users are the same, there's a degree of resistance for each, for example velgrynd massively holding back was resisting the primordials magic attacks which is ultimate level, she proceeded to say its tied to the world, perhaps invulnerability is only for true dragons, besides their aura was killing rimuru
 
Mizuki67 said:
So let's discuss this rn, the ultimate existences resist every ability tied to the rules or do they naturally resist those abilities. Because a downgrade would be done by someone else if we don't tackle this issue rn (Velgrynd has resistance to absorption)

1. Via the ability being tied to rules of the world

2. Via resisting the ability in earnest.

Sooner or later those many resistances would be erased, so any digital evidence that it's option two rather than one?

ALSOOOOOO, not all ultimate skill users are the same, there's a degree of resistance for each, for example velgrynd massively holding back was resisting the primordials magic attacks which is ultimate level, she proceeded to say its tied to the world, perhaps invulnerability is only for true dragons, besides their aura was killing rimuru
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There's also a statement in Volume 6 in the raws that ultimate skill users (their willpower, at least) is not bound to the laws of the world. Gotta get that part translated.

We have other statements of nothing other than Ultimates working on Rimuru.

Primordial Trio and Velgrynd case has a lot of context not discussed. First off, Gravity Collapse itself didn't work, but later Ultima's poison worked. Why? Because of the difference in Willpower behind the attack.

Primordials have a habit of nuking with massive magic, which means it's harder to determine when they're putting their mind into it and when they're not.

Also, ultimately, the whole "Ultimate > Unique" is due to willpower. So each non-general skill or magic should be judged case by case.

Heck, there are even tons of layers in just unique skills due to difference in Willpower, as many as the amount of unique skills themselves because each person's willpower is different. Shion's skill working on Clayman when his unique level magic didn't do a thing to Shion. Chosen One effecting Bovix (Gozul) who has a unique skill but not Bernie (who at the time only had a Unique skill too). Shion's skill initially not working on Razul but later perfectly working when her willpower is boosted.

And so on and so forth.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
There's also a statement in Volume 6 in the raws that ultimate skill users (their willpower, at least) is not bound to the laws of the world. Gotta get that part translated.

We have other statements of nothing other than Ultimates working on Rimuru.

Primordial Trio and Velgrynd case has a lot of context not discussed. First off, Gravity Collapse itself didn't work, but later Ultima's poison worked. Why? Because of the difference in Willpower behind the attack.

Primordials have a habit of nuking with massive magic, which means it's harder to determine when they're putting their mind into it and when they're not.

Also, ultimately, the whole "Ultimate > Unique" is due to willpower. So each non-general skill or magic should be judged case by case.

Heck, there are even tons of layers in just unique skills due to difference in Willpower, as many as the amount of unique skills themselves because each person's willpower is different. Shion's skill working on Clayman when his unique level magic didn't do a thing to Shion. Chosen One effecting Bovix (Gozul) who has a unique skill but not Bernie (who at the time only had a Unique skill too). Shion's skill initially not working on Razul but later perfectly working when her willpower is boosted.

And so on and so forth.
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I don't understand
All abilities that are found within the verse are an application of law/reality/concept hax , are the characters resisting the law hax ,the abilities or both ? I believe thats what needs to be properly explained?
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
I don't understand
All abilities that are found within the verse are an application of law/reality/concept hax , are the characters resisting the law hax ,the abilities or both ? I believe thats what needs to be properly explained?
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"laws" are basically concepts in tensura.
According to what Apotheosis translated before, the general logic of the world serves as it's laws. Though Apotheosis is not a translation staff now so take it with a grain of salt of you will.

Volume 21 also says they define everything, even how things interact with one another.

On the other hand, reality warping is a by product of manipulating the laws, as even the smallest manipulation is akin to impacting the world itself.

Ironically, Veldora also said in his journal that controlling universal laws is easier than manipulating their effects within a certain area only. Lol. So normal magic is legit reality warping at its finest.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
"laws" are basically concepts in tensura.
According to what Apotheosis translated before, the general logic of the world serves as it's laws. Though Apotheosis is not a translation staff now so take it with a grain of salt of you will.

Volume 21 also says they define everything, even how things interact with one another.

On the other hand, reality warping is a by product of manipulating the laws, as even the smallest manipulation is akin to impacting the world itself.

Ironically, Veldora also said in his journal that controlling universal laws is easier than manipulating their effects within a certain area only. Lol. So normal magic is legit reality warping at its finest.
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I'm asking if it's option 1 or 2
Mizuki67 said:
So let's discuss this rn, the ultimate existences resist every ability tied to the rules or do they naturally resist those abilities. Because a downgrade would be done by someone else if we don't tackle this issue rn (Velgrynd has resistance to absorption)

1. Via the ability being tied to rules of the world

2. Via resisting the ability in earnest.

Sooner or later those many resistances would be erased, so any digital evidence that it's option two rather than one?

ALSOOOOOO, not all ultimate skill users are the same, there's a degree of resistance for each, for example velgrynd massively holding back was resisting the primordials magic attacks which is ultimate level, she proceeded to say its tied to the world, perhaps invulnerability is only for true dragons, besides their aura was killing rimuru
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CodeCCLL said:
I'm curious. Is sugar for desserts, drinks, or something else?
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Both ig, mainly juices ofc, people often ask for natural juice (without sugar), but sometimes they feel like they should add some sugar so the restaurant give us some sachets like this, and the sugar and salt sachets are really similar so disasters like that happens
sugar-packets-in-restaurant.jpg
 
Should I calm down or should I do it
Thatiscorrect.ViaFeldway’sChrono-Saltation,wehavebeensentto
the far reaches of time and space. Here, the stars had long since
exhausted their natural life span,but the world itself had not yet collapsed.
It is presumed that Feldway’s power was limited strictly to destroying the universe of the key world
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Because there's a scaling chain with this
 
By the way there's a network in and about the system, we learnt, the past present and future happens at once while being there, so basically rimuru=veldanava. He should also be 2-A
 
Ultimuru said:
Humu humu, interesting...
Could you elaborate on it?
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Feldway can destroy the universe
Milim>feldway has its been shown she also destroyed the universe
Ivarage>feldway
Then diablo>feldway, guy=>feldway, chloe<feldway but should be relative I guess. I feel genesis class characters are low 2-C
So rimuru and Veldanava are both 2-A, milim, ivarage, guy, rural, zelanus and feldway are all low 2-C, veldora and the rest should be high 3-A but that's an argument for later
 
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