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I'm finally back with another revision to one of the most iconic Total Drama-inspired series, and boy have the tides shifted since last revision. So, let's not any time in getting into the one revision you've all been waiting for.
Battle For Limitless Power... AND Speed! (Infinite Speed Upgrade)
In the episode Seasonal Shift, a major plot point has Pen ask TV to scan the timeline's past to detect the missing failed debuters, to which he completes his analysis in 3 seconds. As he did this, he appeared to be doing this on a universal scale as evident with the line "Calibrating Universes" (The first message that shows up when he is scanning the timeline). It's a feat that's certainly impressive, but it only gets better by the fact that due to how the BFDI universe is infinite in size, TV was essentially looking through an infinite amount of bits and operations to search for the missing failed debuters in just a finite amount of time, something that would require Infinite perception speed to pull off. Now, I know what you're thinking: how is this supposed to physically scale to anyone if this is a perception speed feat? Well, we actually do have a moment of someone blitzing TV's perception speed.
Enter the episode What's Up Bell's String?, where a major plot point has One straight up blitz the contestants through sheer speed before any of the contestants could react. This did, in fact, include TV, who she passes in front of in 2 of the frames in the scene while she was rearranging the contestants. If TV really did see her, then he would've pointed her out to Two, yet he doesn't, as if he never noticed her at all, which means One can pretty much scale to Infinite speed. Not to mention, since we already know that she admits to be weaker than Two in power who in turn is equal to/weaker than Four in power, it means that Two and Four can also scale to this. So, seems pretty simple, right? Well, it gets a bit more complex than that.
You can try to make the argument that the contestants scale since there are certain scenes where they have been able to run away from Four (IE. BFB 16, TPOT 11, TPOT 16, etc), but this would end up causing circular scaling since these same contestants can't even react to One who is supposed to be weaker than Four. Not to mention, it would break the narratives of multiple episodes that had the contestants travelling finite distances in finite amounts of time in many challenges if we were to assume they really did scale to Infinite speed. Which is why I believe the Infinite speed only physically scales to One, Two, and Four.
We already know that Four from a narrative standpoint is supposed to be superior to the contestants in power at his peak, and as such, it's heavily implied that he's been holding back at certain times as we've seen him sometimes be capable of one-shotting contestants effortlessly, yet other scenes have him take multiple hits to kill them, insinuating that he wasn't using his full power. Not to mention, the whole reason as to why the contestants wanted to compete for Two's power was because they viewed it as something far superior to themselves. This pretty much included Black Hole, despite how he has access to a form that makes him infinitely large through absorbing all matter in the universe, which makes the form Infinite in speed.
While the theory that Four holds back when dealing with the contestants feels strong, there's still TPOT 11 where the EXITors were able to successfully escape from Four while the latter was implied to not be holding back in that episode, which would just lead to the same circular scaling problems as explained earlier. However, that can easily be dismissed as an outlier for the EXITors as the whole point of the episode was to fulfill fans' wishes of having them see the EXITors escape from Four while making the special exception to disregard the narrative, which means that outside of TPOT 11, Four would still be superior to the contestants.
To put it short One, Two, and Four become likely Infinite in speed through One blitzing TV's Infinite perception speed, and that the Infinite speed cannot scale to any of the contestants (Outside of TV's perception speed and Black Hole's theoretical maximum size) due to inconsistency reasons as well as the fact that Four is heavily implied to be holding back when dealing with the contestants in order to keep the narrative that he (And the other Algebraliens) is superior to them consistent. The only thing that stops it from being a solid rating is due to certain inconsistencies contestants outspeeding Four at his peak, but if anyone is to say this is solid enough, I'd be fine with it.
EDIT: The scene of One blitzing TV's perception speed can't be used as the Infinite perception speed something that only scales to TV via Information Analysis and not his usual perception speed. However, based on how it's consistently shown that Two and Four are superior to the contestants narratively, which includes Black Hole's theoretical maximum sized form which we already accept to possibly scale to Two and Four in AP, the same should go to their speed: as a "possibly Infinite" rating. Essentially, Two and Four (As well as characters possessing their powers in the next section) should get a "possibly Infinite" rating in their speed.
I HAVE THE POWER! (New Power of Two Abilities + Key Additions)
In the episode Last One Standing, it is revealed that Four had access to Two's powers through absorbing their powers, which was why he was able to send eliminated contestants to Two's Elimination Space. Later on, he would give all of the remaining contestants a fraction of Two's power to get more help in holding back the tear in space-time, and as such, the following characters would gain access to all of the powers and abilities of Two as a separate key:
And we're not even done yet, because Pencil would even later go on to absorb all of Four's powers for herself, and eventually, One would obtain all of Pencil's powers for herself. What this means here is that both Pencil and One should have keys where they possess both Two and Four's powers. Speaking of the power's they've shown with them:
Miscellaneous Additions
Object Physiology
Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42, FinePoint, Theglassman12
Disagree:
Neutral:
Battle For Limitless Power... AND Speed! (Infinite Speed Upgrade)
In the episode Seasonal Shift, a major plot point has Pen ask TV to scan the timeline's past to detect the missing failed debuters, to which he completes his analysis in 3 seconds. As he did this, he appeared to be doing this on a universal scale as evident with the line "Calibrating Universes" (The first message that shows up when he is scanning the timeline). It's a feat that's certainly impressive, but it only gets better by the fact that due to how the BFDI universe is infinite in size, TV was essentially looking through an infinite amount of bits and operations to search for the missing failed debuters in just a finite amount of time, something that would require Infinite perception speed to pull off. Now, I know what you're thinking: how is this supposed to physically scale to anyone if this is a perception speed feat? Well, we actually do have a moment of someone blitzing TV's perception speed.
Enter the episode What's Up Bell's String?, where a major plot point has One straight up blitz the contestants through sheer speed before any of the contestants could react. This did, in fact, include TV, who she passes in front of in 2 of the frames in the scene while she was rearranging the contestants. If TV really did see her, then he would've pointed her out to Two, yet he doesn't, as if he never noticed her at all, which means One can pretty much scale to Infinite speed. Not to mention, since we already know that she admits to be weaker than Two in power who in turn is equal to/weaker than Four in power, it means that Two and Four can also scale to this. So, seems pretty simple, right? Well, it gets a bit more complex than that.
You can try to make the argument that the contestants scale since there are certain scenes where they have been able to run away from Four (IE. BFB 16, TPOT 11, TPOT 16, etc), but this would end up causing circular scaling since these same contestants can't even react to One who is supposed to be weaker than Four. Not to mention, it would break the narratives of multiple episodes that had the contestants travelling finite distances in finite amounts of time in many challenges if we were to assume they really did scale to Infinite speed. Which is why I believe the Infinite speed only physically scales to One, Two, and Four.
We already know that Four from a narrative standpoint is supposed to be superior to the contestants in power at his peak, and as such, it's heavily implied that he's been holding back at certain times as we've seen him sometimes be capable of one-shotting contestants effortlessly, yet other scenes have him take multiple hits to kill them, insinuating that he wasn't using his full power. Not to mention, the whole reason as to why the contestants wanted to compete for Two's power was because they viewed it as something far superior to themselves. This pretty much included Black Hole, despite how he has access to a form that makes him infinitely large through absorbing all matter in the universe, which makes the form Infinite in speed.
While the theory that Four holds back when dealing with the contestants feels strong, there's still TPOT 11 where the EXITors were able to successfully escape from Four while the latter was implied to not be holding back in that episode, which would just lead to the same circular scaling problems as explained earlier. However, that can easily be dismissed as an outlier for the EXITors as the whole point of the episode was to fulfill fans' wishes of having them see the EXITors escape from Four while making the special exception to disregard the narrative, which means that outside of TPOT 11, Four would still be superior to the contestants.
To put it short One, Two, and Four become likely Infinite in speed through One blitzing TV's Infinite perception speed, and that the Infinite speed cannot scale to any of the contestants (Outside of TV's perception speed and Black Hole's theoretical maximum size) due to inconsistency reasons as well as the fact that Four is heavily implied to be holding back when dealing with the contestants in order to keep the narrative that he (And the other Algebraliens) is superior to them consistent. The only thing that stops it from being a solid rating is due to certain inconsistencies contestants outspeeding Four at his peak, but if anyone is to say this is solid enough, I'd be fine with it.
EDIT: The scene of One blitzing TV's perception speed can't be used as the Infinite perception speed something that only scales to TV via Information Analysis and not his usual perception speed. However, based on how it's consistently shown that Two and Four are superior to the contestants narratively, which includes Black Hole's theoretical maximum sized form which we already accept to possibly scale to Two and Four in AP, the same should go to their speed: as a "possibly Infinite" rating. Essentially, Two and Four (As well as characters possessing their powers in the next section) should get a "possibly Infinite" rating in their speed.
I HAVE THE POWER! (New Power of Two Abilities + Key Additions)
In the episode Last One Standing, it is revealed that Four had access to Two's powers through absorbing their powers, which was why he was able to send eliminated contestants to Two's Elimination Space. Later on, he would give all of the remaining contestants a fraction of Two's power to get more help in holding back the tear in space-time, and as such, the following characters would gain access to all of the powers and abilities of Two as a separate key:
- Black Hole
- Book
- Bottle
- Donut
- Fanny
- Four
- Golf Ball
- Grassy
- Liy
- Marker
- Pen
- Pencil
- Price Tag
- Snowball
- Tennis Ball
- Tree
- TV
- Winner
- Minor Perception Manipulation: In certain scenes, Two's body will always retain its 2 shape without being flipped backwards even if the perspective is from behind Two.
- Power Bestowal: Four with the Power of Two can transfer its power to others with a touch.
- Attack Reflection + Resistance to Reality Warping, Transmutation, and Time Manipulation: The forcefields are capable of blocking and deflecting bolts capable of darkening the sky, transmuting objects they touch, and speeding up the time of objects they touch.
- Power Nullification and Power Absorption: Users of the Power of Two can absorb the powers of others through either killing them or touching them, leaving them powerless in the process.
- Acausality (Type 1): Two was still able to remember who Gaty was even after One erased her from existence on a historical level.
- Energy Projection and additional Transmutation: Pencil with the Power of Two fired a green beam that mutilated TV's body. Later on, she would fire another energy beam that killed Book.
- Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, and additional Transmutation: Tree with the Power of Two lit Golf Ball on fire, struck her with lightning, froze her, and turned her into goo by complete accident.
- Afterimage Creation: Liy with the Power of Two was able to create afterimages from her sheer movement.
- Summoning + Additional Creation: Pencil with the Power of Two was able to summon a horde of bugs and an oven out of thin air.
- Possibly Time Travel: One stated that Pencil had the power to travel back in time when she was in possession of Two and Four's powers, although whether this is supposed to originally be Two's ability or Four's ability is unclear.
- Supporting evidence of being superior to One: When One was in possession of Two and Four's powers, she had an aura that generated 3 dark blue stars, a wavy green aura, and a spiky light blue aura, which is meant to represent One, Two, and Four's power levels respectively. The dark blue stars made up the smallest portion of the aura, while the wavy green aura was bigger than the dark blue stars but smaller than the spiky light blue aura, insinuating that Four is superior to Two who is superior to One.
- Black Hole: None
- Book: Forcefield Creation
- Bottle: All of the powers and abilities of Tree and Golf Ball
- Donut: Forcefield Creation, All of the powers and abilities of Pen, Acausality (Type 1), Telekinesis, Power Bestowal
- Fanny: None
- Golf Ball: None
- Grassy: None
- Liy: Forcefield Creation, All of the powers and abilities of Fanny, All of the powers and abilities of Marker, All of the powers and abilities of Bottle, Tree, and Golf Ball, All of the powers and abilities of 23 of the failed debuters, All of the powers and abilities of Winner, All of the powers and abilities of Price Tag, Telekinesis, Flight, Afterimage Creation
- Marker: Forcefield Creation, Telekinesis
- Pen: None
- Pencil: Forcefield Creation, Telekinesis, All of the powers and abilities of Fanny, Transmutation, Energy Projection, All of the powers and abilities of TV, All of the powers and abilities of Grassy, All of the powers and abilities of Tennis Ball, All of the powers and abilities of Book, All of the powers and abilities of Liy, Price Tag, Winner, 23 of the failed debuters, Golf Ball, Tree, Bottle, and Marker
- Price Tag: Forcefield Creation
- Snowball: Forcefield Creation, Acausality (Type 1)
- Tennis Ball: None
- Tree: Telekinesis, Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Transmutation, All of the powers and abilities of Golf Ball
- TV: None
- Winner: Forcefield Creation
And we're not even done yet, because Pencil would even later go on to absorb all of Four's powers for herself, and eventually, One would obtain all of Pencil's powers for herself. What this means here is that both Pencil and One should have keys where they possess both Two and Four's powers. Speaking of the power's they've shown with them:
- Pencil:
- One:
- Aura: Passively emits a blue and green aura around herself from the sheer power she is possessing.
- Energy Projection: Fired lasers from her eyes strong enough to destroy 2 stars and a planet.
- Earth Manipulation: Was able to bend the Earth's shape.
- All of the powers and abilities of Two, Four, Pencil, Fanny, TV, Grassy, Tennis Ball, Book, Liy, Price Tag, Winner, Golf Ball, Tree, Bottle, Marker, Donut, Pen, and 23 of the failed debuters
- Black Hole (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Book (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Bottle (With Two's powers): >3x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Donut (With Two's powers): >2x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Fanny (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Golf Ball (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Grassy (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Liy (With Two's powers): >31x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Marker (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Pen (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Pencil (With Two's powers): >37x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Price Tag (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Snowball (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Tennis Ball (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Tree (With Two's powers): >2x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- TV (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Winner (With Two's powers): >1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Two: >17x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Four: > >/= 17x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes (Is accepted to be equal to/stronger than Two)
- Four (With Two's powers): > >/= 34x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- Pencil (With Two and Four's powers): > >/= 54x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes
- One (With Two and Four's powers): > >/= 56x 1 one-shot value above baseline 2 universes (Note: She had obtained Donut's powers earlier)
Miscellaneous Additions
Object Physiology
- Additional Non-Physical Interaction: Pencil used Emergency Button to erase several recommended characters, including a character named Ghost, who is pretty much who you think they are. It should be noted that Emergency Button is a recommended character and thus implied to be a living Object, therefore every other Object should be able to interact with ghosts.
- Teleportation(?): Objects are able to vanish without a trace of them left behind, presumably through teleporting away.
- Existence Erasure: As the Announcer's entire plan was to delete the entirety of BFDI forever through spending all of its budget, he would've pretty much had to erase every aspect of it in the process, which backs up the Purple Face's statement that everyone would be "turned off" forever.
- Acausality (Type 1): Was still able to remember who Barf Bag was even after One erased her from existence on a historical level.
- Resistance to Reality Warping, Transmutation, and Time Manipulation: Was able to withstand getting hit by lightning from the tear in space-time, whose bolts were capable of darkening the sky, transmuting objects they touch, and speeding up the time of objects they touch.
- Acausality (Type 1): Was still able to remember who Barf Bag was even after One erased her from existence on a historical level.
- Minor Precognition: One of her pages was able to predict that the next page would be what she was looking for when she was looking into her pages.
- Attack Reflection: One of her pages possesses a shield that can deflect lasers.
- Megaphone as Optional Equipment: Self-explanatory.
- Reading Glasses as Standard Equipment: Has a pair of reading glasses that she can pull out whenever she needs to read something.
- Darkness Manipulation: Was able to make the area around her dark.
- Flashlight as Optional Equipment: Has a flashlight whose light is potent enough to melt snow.
- Spaceship as Optional Equipment: Has a spaceship that can shoot lasers.
- Flight + Rocket Boots as Optional Equipment: Has a pair of rocket boots that allow him to fly into the air.
- Mace as Optional Equipment: Self-explanatory.
- Zorb Ball as Optional Equipment: Self-explanatory.
- Fire Manipulation + Self-Igniting Boots as Optional Equipment: Has a pair of boots that light themselves on fire.
- More Fire Manipulation + Shooty 2000 as Optional Equipment: Has a mech suit that is equipped with a flamethrower.
- Additional Enhanced Senses: Heard Fanny saying how much she hated her from the Evil Forest while she was at the Pristine Plains.
- Minor Precognition: Not combat applicable; Was able to acknowledge the TPOT jingle playing to the point where he stated that it was playing in the wrong season, despite how TPOT hadn't happened yet in-universe.
- Minor Perception Manipulation: In certain scenes, Four's body will always retain its 4 shape without being flipped backwards even if the perspective is from behind Four.
- Reconstruction: One of his mini-Earths was capable of repairing Roboty's heavily bent body at an instant.
- Sleep Manipulation + Wires as Standard Equipment: Is able to summon wires from his mouth which he can use to put contestants to sleep by plugging them into their heads, causing them to wake up inside of their memories. Should their wires be unplugged while they are still asleep, this will cause their bodies within the memories to be erased, killing them in the real world.
- Portal Creation + Additional Dream Manipulation: Can create portals from within someone's dreams that will cause them to wake up in the real world when they go through them.
- Power Absorption + Additional Power Nullification: Was able to drain Two's powers with a touch to the point where Two had lost their powers while Four gained theirs.
- Possibly Time Travel: One stated that Pencil had the power to travel back in time when she was in possession of Two and Four's powers, although whether this is supposed to originally be Two's ability or Four's ability is unclear.
- Resistance to Light Manipulation: Was able to look at the sun while on its surface without any issue.
- Unconventional Resistance to Sleep Manipulation: Should Four be put to sleep, his dream self can snap to wake himself up in the real world.
- Unconventional Resistance to Perception Manipulation: While Four was initially affected by it, he was able to remove the twisted perception that was stopping him from seeing the notes about One by placing his hand on the whiteboard.
- Resistance to Energy Projection and Electricity Manipulation: Was able to withstand being hit by his own Zappies while in a powerless state.
- Supporting evidence of being superior to Two and One: When One was in possession of Two and Four's powers, she had an aura that generated 3 dark blue stars, a wavy green aura, and a spiky light blue aura, which is meant to represent One, Two, and Four's power levels respectively. The dark blue stars made up the smallest portion of the aura, while the wavy green aura was bigger than the dark blue stars but smaller than the spiky light blue aura, insinuating that Four is superior to Two who is superior to One.
- Mace as Optional Equipment: Self-explanatory.
- Social Influencing: Was able to convince Tennis Ball to go kill the eliminated contestants at the WTF to help him win a challenge through mentioning her status as a former finalist. Was able to convince Coiny to kill Book and Pin with knives.
- Power Nullification + Yellow Tomato as Optional Equipment: Has a yellow tomato that can remove her Yoyle Metal form upon consumption.
- Budget Cut Abilities: As she was ultimately chosen to become the host of BFDIA 22, Leafy should pretty much potentially get every ability granted by Budget Cuts while gaining the same justification as everybody who has potential access to Budget Cuts (Example here).
- Stealth Mastery: Was able to take down Conch Shell, Onigiri, and Camera without Winner, Price Tag, and the rest of the failed debuters noticing her.
- Weapon Mastery: Was able to use the failed debuters' bodies as weapons to kill the other failed debuters.
- Perception Manipulation: Was able to warp the Tennis Ball's perception to make him to see scribbled nonsense on a whiteboard instead of the notes about One that Fanny and Ice Cube wrote. Also, in certain scenes, One's body will always retain its 1 shape without being flipped backwards even if the perspective is from behind One.
- Power Absorption: The process of draining the Yoylite of its powers caused her to gain its powers.
- Power Bestowal granting limited Immortality (Type 6), Automatic Translation, Portal Creation, and Time Travel: As One had absorbed the Yoylite's powers, she should have access to all of its powers and abilities (All of its powers and abilities can be found here, for reference).
- Additional Existence Erasure: Was able to erase Gaty, Barf Bag, and Basketball from existence on a historical level with a thought.
- Paprika Spray as Optional Equipment: Has a can of paprika spray that is used to incapacitate others.
- Megaphone as Optional Equipment: Self-explanatory.
- Regeneration (Mid): Was able to regenerate from her face being cut in half by a buzzsaw within about a minute.
- Additional Fire Manipulation for Mech Suit: Is able to light a fire by striking her treads against each other.
- Social Influencing: Alongside Winner, they were able to convince the failed debuters to try to help them win a challenge.
- Glue Thinner as Optional Equipment: Has a bottle of glue thinner that is able to remove glue.
- Time Manipulation + Yoylite Time Machine as Optional Equipment: The Yoylite Time Machine allowed damage done to Tennis Ball to be reversed.
- Universal Translator as Optional Equipment: Has a translator that is able to translate anything.
- Rocket as Optional Equipment: Has a rocket that is capable of flying through space.
- Forcefield Creation and Attack Reflection: His rocket has a shield that can block and deflect projectiles.
- Energy Projection: His rocket is able to fire lasers.
- Supergenius Intelligence: As TV ended up processing the entire infinite universe in a finite amount of time, he should have this level of intelligence.
- Robotic Spider as Optional Equipment: At one point, TV got access to a robotic spider
- Hacking + USB Cable as Standard Equipment: Has access to a USB cable which he used to hijack the Robotic Spider to take control of it.
- Social Influencing: Alongside Price Tag, they were able to convince the failed debuters to try to help them win a challenge.
Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42, FinePoint, Theglassman12
Disagree:
Neutral:
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