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DMC Hax Revival - part 2

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Demon World resistances

Statistic Reduction

Statistic reduction: Demons are unaffected by the mere presence of The Demon World which can make it difficult to breath and reduce the strength of those approaching it.

Reinstating this as it was removed on premise of misinterpreting the scans and declaring that even if it was there would be no resistance despite the fact that demons are unaffected by said effects while Tony had to adapt several times to this

Mind Manipulation

Mind Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, which can warp the minds of men.

This was removed under the premise that it wasn't direct mind manipulation but rather that it was a side effect of the world being warped that caused the minds of men to be warped... which is still mind manipulation. Regardless, the scan first talks about a clear cut description of what the demon world does and it is "warp the minds of men and stop the hands of time" period. This is independent of the rest of the text which is the one talking about the actual maze like paradox created in game.

As for demons being unaffected by this, it should be self-evident. They are natural residents of the demon world and the effects of such a harsh environment are usually ignored by demons as they are not affected by them

Disease Manipulation

Disease Manipulation: Approaching the Demon World, being inside or near a Demon World nexus causes "unearthly illness" which makes it difficult to concentrate and causes intense nausea and dizziness.

This was removed under the pretense that it was just more "statistics manipulation" which is wrong. The scans that were used for statistics reduction are very specific on how they sap Tony's power and weaken him. This scan here explicitly says how Tony is being assaulted by some unearthly illness, making him dizzy and causing nausea. Moreover the thread that removed this tried to insist that "air being dense" caused all of this which is ignoring that it explicitly says how "the air was thick with supernatural malevolence" which is the Nexus presence in the hospital. Finally they tried claiming this was a thing that ONLY affected humans despite that never been stated anywhere in the scans.

Demons abilities

Darkness Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation or just minor Reality Warping

I'm not exactly sure how to classify this. It originally was added as illusion manipulation but there is no illusion in place, instead the weather changes, the sky becomes dark and it goes darker somehow despite being nearly dawn then it was as if reality was being changed into an unknown shape.

sorry fellow blue names but sadly we don't matter in threads

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Always made sense to me... Dunno why it was even contested in the first place let alone removed like that
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Dunno why it was even contested in the first place let alone removed like that
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You sure? You were there when it happened lol.

Half of the proposals in this CRT were discussed and removed previously for reasons discussed in this thread;

vsbattles.com

DMC Ability Removals [Part 4]

Okay, time to tackle the other Demon World Resistances in the Demon Physiology page Illusion Creation, Statistics Reduction: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, which inflicts powerful illusions on those that approach it, which also reduce the strength of those being affected by it[54]...
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Wonder_of_Fantasy said:
Half of the proposals in this CRT were discussed and removed previously for reasons discussed in this thread;

vsbattles.com

DMC Ability Removals [Part 4]

Okay, time to tackle the other Demon World Resistances in the Demon Physiology page Illusion Creation, Statistics Reduction: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, which inflicts powerful illusions on those that approach it, which also reduce the strength of those being affected by it[54]...
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Yes, I am trying to rectify that.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Reinstating this as it was removed on premise of misinterpreting the scans and declaring that even if it was there would be no resistance despite the fact that demons are unaffected by said effects while Tony had to adapt several times to this
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"As far as statistics reduction, Tony feels that the air becomes thick and dense and it's physically difficult to move through. I'm not sure this is statistics reduction so much as it is atmospheric pressure in the Demon World. That wouldn't mean demons are resisting it, they are likely just strong enough to ignore it, generally speaking."

Can you address this? I read that Tony felt like moving through the air was like moving through caramel so this definitely seems more like the demons just adapted to it than some sort of reduction as you point out Tony had to. And how the conditions of the demon world are the issue not a reduction of stats. This is basically any world that's got way more gravity than Earth or has a harsh atmosphere; it would be harder for us to move and would cause us to lose strength much faster since we're exerting ourselves more just to move.
 
Arkenis said:
"As far as statistics reduction, Tony feels that the air becomes thick and dense and it's physically difficult to move through. I'm not sure this is statistics reduction so much as it is atmospheric pressure in the Demon World. That wouldn't mean demons are resisting it, they are likely just strong enough to ignore it, generally speaking."

Can you address this? I read that Tony felt like moving through the air was like moving through caramel so this definitely seems more like the demons just adapted to it than some sort of reduction as you point out Tony had to. And how the conditions of the demon world are the issue not a reduction of stats. This is basically any world that's got way more gravity than Earth or has a harsh atmosphere; it would be harder for us to move and would cause us to lose strength much faster since we're exerting ourselves more just to move.
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The point of Tony feeling as if he was moving through caramel was to point how the demon world is weaking him. As the scans says, Tony's breath got heavier and his strength ebbed (diminished/waned/faded away), clearly exposing how the demon world was straight up sapping his power out, not only that the last scan has Tony stating that the more he is in close proximity to the demon world the weaker he gets (a recurring thing as something similar happens in the second novel but I digress)

Now, this isn't just because of the harsh atmosphere or environment of the demon world as the narration would have pointed that out, instead we get both narration and the character in question stating how the demon world's presence is doing the weakening effect. I think it is even called a cancerous reality for what it does to anyone who comes near it.
 
Arkenis said:
"As far as statistics reduction, Tony feels that the air becomes thick and dense and it's physically difficult to move through. I'm not sure this is statistics reduction so much as it is atmospheric pressure in the Demon World. That wouldn't mean demons are resisting it, they are likely just strong enough to ignore it, generally speaking."
Can you address this? I read that Tony felt like moving through the air was like moving through caramel so this definitely seems more like the demons just adapted to it than some sort of reduction as you point out Tony had to. And how the conditions of the demon world are the issue not a reduction of stats. This is basically any world that's got way more gravity than Earth or has a harsh atmosphere; it would be harder for us to move and would cause us to lose strength much faster since we're exerting ourselves more just to move.
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This scan directly states that Tony's strength "ebbed" (was reduced).
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
The point of Tony feeling as if he was moving through caramel was to point how the demon world is weaking him. As the scans says, Tony's breath got heavier and his strength ebbed (diminished/waned/faded away), clearly exposing how the demon world was straight up sapping his power out, not only that the last scan has Tony stating that the more he is in close proximity to the demon world the weaker he gets (a recurring thing as something similar happens in the second novel but I digress)
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Because of the world's environment. Just to be clear, you do acknowledge the world is physically different from ours? Like the air is different, it affects humans differently than demons because they're already affected by it.

Also, the demon page already has this as resistance, not sure if they just forgot to remove it or what

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This scan directly states that Tony's strength "ebbed" (was reduced).
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Yeah Ik, I am saying it's because the environment is different than Earth. Same way stepping on a planet with more gravity than Earth would reduce our strength in seconds due to overexerting ourselves to move
 
Arkenis said:
Because of the world's environment. Just to be clear, you do acknowledge the world is physically different from ours? Like the air is different, it affects humans differently than demons because they're already affected by it.
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The world is different, yes but I don't think you understand. This isn't a case in which gravity is higher as your example would suggest or the harsh environments just wanning your strength as you do your daily things, the world is straight up filled with supernatural evil and it is made clear that anyone who comes near it will have their strength diminished despite NOT being in the demon world.

This isn't a case of Tony venturing inside the demon world (Tony never does), he is just getting close to places that have a Nexus inside of them and that alone is enough to snuff his strength, mind you the last scan he just set foot inside the hospital and was already hit by a lot of stuff and it is only later that he ventures deep inside the Nexus.

Arkenis said:
Also, the demon page already has this as resistance, not sure if they just forgot to remove it or what
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They probably forgot, regardless we have plans to fix the demon physiology page but that will happen when we finish all the planned threads.
 
There is also a part of the novel that talks about how the nexus and the demon world in general is a cancerous blight on the soul which further shows how it is a supernatural effect and not just the world being hard to exist in. I didn't add it because I don't think it was necessary and cuz @GilverTheProtoAngelo will actually tackle it in a future thread alongside the Beastheads.

But I understand where you are coming from, I should have made it clearer. My bad.
 
Wonder_of_Fantasy said:
You sure? You were there when it happened lol.

Half of the proposals in this CRT were discussed and removed previously for reasons discussed in this thread;

vsbattles.com

DMC Ability Removals [Part 4]

Okay, time to tackle the other Demon World Resistances in the Demon Physiology page Illusion Creation, Statistics Reduction: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, which inflicts powerful illusions on those that approach it, which also reduce the strength of those being affected by it[54]...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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The point was none of that made any sense in the first place... The scans are as blatant as it can get. It's just your usual nitpicky stuff.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
There is also a part of the novel that talks about how the nexus and the demon world in general is a cancerous blight on the soul which further shows how it is a supernatural effect and not just the world being hard to exist in. I didn't add it because I don't think it was necessary and cuz @GilverTheProtoAngelo will actually tackle it in a future thread alongside the Beastheads.

But I understand where you are coming from, I should have made it clearer. My bad.
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I think something similar happened when Dante and cos were venturing deep into Void Mundus' place. Initially speaking, they were regaining their power through the energy but as they went further, the energy started becoming oppressive and they fell apart one by one.
 
that looks more reality warping than anything yeah. Everything else looks fine.
 
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