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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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similar timeline is where I stand but calling them outright 616 canon is really fishy imo
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Also, as a huge Thor fan, I thought the Godzilla oneshot was awesome. I saw it less as them nerfing Allfather Thor and more as an intro to a crazy powerful version of Godzilla we hadn't seen before.
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oh yeah it was crazy. Godbutcher Godzilla goes so hard
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If it actually had a fight between them sure but it was almost like Godzilla was just annoyed at a fly pestering him.
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That's not how I read it at all, but that's also chill
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I agree that this is just a case of Godzilla being as powerful as Thor rather than Thor being nerfed for the requirements of the plot. Something similar happened a year ago with Godzilla beating Superman in the DC vs. MonsterVerse crossover. Fans of those superheroes would rather believe that they were nerfed than understand that Godzilla is that powerful. ¯\(ツ)/¯
It's nice to see that some Thor fans like you understand that he wasn't nerfed against Godzilla and that he faced a powerful version of the King of the Monsters.
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well for the Superman one, wasn't Godzilla's atom breath also emitting a radiation similar to Kryptonite
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It's also not like the comic was saying that every version of Godzilla could tie with Allfather Thor (that's clearly not the case). It just made a one-off version of Godzilla that happened to be cosmically powerful, and I dug it.
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I agree with you.
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Also its not that the one-shots are canon to 616, its that Godzilla Destroys the Marvel Universe specifically is canon to 616.
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Not sure how people feel about the Ultimate Universe here, but figured I'd share this:
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It happens so often nowadays that it is hard to overlook a pattern in any case.
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Don't be rude please.
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tbf I don't remember Thor's last "embarrassing" loss. I don't think Immortal or Cates had one but I don't remember completely
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My badDon't be rude please.
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Well, for more recent examples, Kieron Gillen repeatedly humiliated Thor during his X-Men run; he was characterised as pro-new Doom (who casually blew up a populated universe) order-fascism; Nick Spencer had him be a follower of Hydra Captain America; Al Ewing wrote him as somehow bleeding in his nose and grunting from being subjected to gravity comparable to Jupiter by Storm, had him killed by the Grey Gargoyle and Mister Hyde, and incapacitated and almost outmatched by a few dozen regular Rigellians; Jason Aaron turned him "unworthy" of his hammer, and his skull was almost caved in by the Hulk in this state, also under Al Ewing's pen, and Donny Cates characterised him as a violence-prone disloyal lunatic, along with completely mangling Donald Blake's character; and now he is displayed as cheerfully arrogant while preparing to fight Godzilla, only to be one-shotted afterwards, possibly with deep satisfaction from the writer. Oh, and Christopher Priest had Thor be almost killed by a regular rifle bullet, and Ron Marz portrayed him as a rabid berzerker, but that was long ago. Matt Fraction didn't really depower him, but stil portrayed him as a callous jerk.
So I am having a very hard time recognising Tom DeFalco's and Stan Lee's classic noble, purehearted, and heroic version of the character that was arguably one of the biggest goods among the heroes of his verse at the time.
Basically, Thor is regularly either having his character or power level completely mutilated, likely in order to further favourise Storm to extremes in comparison, given how Al Ewing and her current writer were or are handling her.
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Marvel please just let me write Thor comics
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so much pain.
A “lore accurate” Strange would be narrative breaking
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Thinking about it, there's no way Thor doesn't get some big impressive showing before the end of Elwing's run. There's still Utgard-Loki extant and Gaia doing her scheme so I doubt the "Mortal Thor" run will end without a good showing.
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I think that Enchantress will kill Magni to claim the Odinforce/Thorforce for herself, and then turn into a depraved evil overlord.
And given that Ewing has actively helped to enormously power-up quite a lot of brown-hued or LGBTQIA+ characters in the past, including Storm, Spectrum, Blue Marvel, Loki, Wiccan, and Escapade, while he portrayed Odinforce Thor as being overpowered by the Grey Gargoyle and Mister Hyde, regular Rigellian soldiers, or Storm subjecting him to the gravity of Jupiter... well, I have repeatedly tested as being a very progressive far leftist as well, but I try to remain rational in my evaluations despite this, and Ewing unfortunately seems to have bought into the false idea that Vikings were somehow retroactively Nazis just because some of their mythology was bastardised (along with parts of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Shintoism, et cetera) by the Nazis for propaganda purposes, and that Thor somehow represents that, and as such is a part of the enemy that quite a lot of Marvel Comics writers treat as something to be depowered, character-assassinated, and humiliated as much as they can get away with, but in the end it just comes across as ill-considered generalised bigotry against scandinavians... who are generally left-leaning progressive social-democrats who try to help poor people in the present day, even if we Swedes are often too oppressively introverted and conformistic, so I do not consider it as remotely solid logic coming from other leftists.
That said, unlike plenty of other writers, I think that Ewing has characterised Thor well, in a sympathetic manner I have missed since the Tom DeFalco days, and I do think that he is a great writer and cosmology builder in general.
And given that Ewing has actively helped to enormously power-up quite a lot of brown-hued or LGBTQIA+ characters in the past, including Storm, Spectrum, Blue Marvel, Loki, Wiccan, and Escapade, while he portrayed Odinforce Thor as being overpowered by the Grey Gargoyle and Mister Hyde, regular Rigellian soldiers, or Storm subjecting him to the gravity of Jupiter... well, I have repeatedly tested as being a very progressive far leftist as well, but I try to remain rational in my evaluations despite this, and Ewing unfortunately seems to have bought into the false idea that Vikings were somehow retroactively Nazis just because some of their mythology was bastardised (along with parts of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Shintoism, et cetera) by the Nazis for propaganda purposes, and that Thor somehow represents that, and as such is a part of the enemy that quite a lot of Marvel Comics writers treat as something to be depowered, character-assassinated, and humiliated as much as they can get away with, but in the end it just comes across as ill-considered generalised bigotry against scandinavians... who are generally left-leaning progressive social-democrats who try to help poor people in the present day, even if we Swedes are often too oppressively introverted and conformistic, so I do not consider it as remotely solid logic coming from other leftists.
That said, unlike plenty of other writers, I think that Ewing has characterised Thor well, in a sympathetic manner I have missed since the Tom DeFalco days, and I do think that he is a great writer and cosmology builder in general.
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I'm nowhere near done with my review (I'm only on Thor (1966) #204) but one thing I've noted is how Thor consistently battles beings comparable to Odin in his own runs. Pretty neat. Something might come of that when I have a few thousand more scans organized.
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The only Gibbon fan here
There are 2 feats I ruled out from him at the time, but I think it's better to ask here directly if these feats would be legitimate. (While I wait on the Calc Request team for the LS feats)
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In Underworld #4 (a 5-episode series introducing a character with a total of 6 appearances in Marvel...yeah) his brother hires several villains to chase the protagonist Jack Dio, in Underworld #5 he sets a trap where he shoots some tanks causing an explosion that defeats everyone
Problem: it is known that Gibbon is in the group, so he was blown up (because this defeated everyone chasing him), but not where he was standing at the time, ergo, we do not know how much of the explosion he ate
2.- In Punisher War Journal Vol 2 4, Gibbon is one of those who go to Stilt-Man's wake in a Bar, the Punisher disguised as a bartender poisons/drugs them and blows up the place (with kerosene) with a bunch of villains inside.
Problem: A villain notices and warns everyone who was awake, before the explosion starts, and we can see Gibbon being one of the few to try to get away (he is one of the few not poisoned by not taking anything). Although he still had to endure the explosion, we don't know how much of it.
There are 2 feats I ruled out from him at the time, but I think it's better to ask here directly if these feats would be legitimate. (While I wait on the Calc Request team for the LS feats)
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In Underworld #4 (a 5-episode series introducing a character with a total of 6 appearances in Marvel...yeah) his brother hires several villains to chase the protagonist Jack Dio, in Underworld #5 he sets a trap where he shoots some tanks causing an explosion that defeats everyone
Problem: it is known that Gibbon is in the group, so he was blown up (because this defeated everyone chasing him), but not where he was standing at the time, ergo, we do not know how much of the explosion he ate
2.- In Punisher War Journal Vol 2 4, Gibbon is one of those who go to Stilt-Man's wake in a Bar, the Punisher disguised as a bartender poisons/drugs them and blows up the place (with kerosene) with a bunch of villains inside.
Problem: A villain notices and warns everyone who was awake, before the explosion starts, and we can see Gibbon being one of the few to try to get away (he is one of the few not poisoned by not taking anything). Although he still had to endure the explosion, we don't know how much of it.
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Broken link
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That's weird, it works for me.
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Yeah I noticed that in my read through as well. He's definitely weaker than Odin, but the gap isn't indicated to be that big. Lots of the villains are said to be threats to Odin, and Thor can hold his own against them. There are also several instances of him beating Hell Lords like Mephisto and Hela.
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I've been quite surprised, yeah. The gap between Odin and base Thor really isn't that large, apparently, at least in terms of offensive/defensive stats. So far Thor has already tangled with Mangog, the Destroyer, Mephisto, Pluto, Hela, Galactus, Ego, etc. and put up quite a showing. I've got some solid speed feats as well, and I'm hoping to get some better durability feats since Thor's Dura section right now is pretty sparsely justified.
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New issue of the Gwenpool comic showed that Gwen (the pink one) died but can possess people as a ghost. She possess Kate Bishop and at the end of the comic does the same to Spider-Man. So that's something new that can be added to her page.
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New CRT
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Marvel light's out + Kurama's 9th tail [1 Staff vote required]
Marvel goes Light's out So... I got this Calc approved. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Suigetsuhyugs/Dagger_lights_up_Manhattam So Dagger gets upgraded to 8-A from the current 9-B Scaling I will explain here how this would work, Dagger has a large history and it might bring...
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So, multiversal abstracts won't get High 1-A rating anymore? i'm just curious
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Not until Ultima arrives and decides to conclude Goofy's thread
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IIRC High 1-A would still only be for Multiversal figures, but yeah
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What's the thread for this?
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Marvel Cosmology Redo (Part 2 of 2)
Hi, today we will be doing part two of the Cosmology revision thread. This time it will tackle the main thread. As I have made a sandbox here going over it: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:VeryGoofyToddler2/sandbox6#Planes_of_Existence Eternity, the Far Shore, and Yggdrasil: Discussed...
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And only one scan that mentions an infinite number of R>F layers in the universe is in DeMatteis' comic...
Btw hope Ultima merge cosmologies, at least to everything to multieternity since most of the inconsistencies are on HOI/Nexus level
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