You quite literally are.
''Platonic Forms, a proposal of conceptual abstracts that dictate all of reality.''
The laws of physics are a law of nature.
CM type 1 are not platonic concept here by default again no one is arguing for platonic concepts here no such claim was made in the blog
You argued type 2 and only POSSIBLY type 1
Yes we're does it say platonic
Could you show me where it says platonic type 1 and 2 aren't treated as platonic on VSBW? Your own page shows PLATONIC CONCEPTS as the first thing to explain what abstract concepts are. And you're not the judge of whether I'm derailing from the thread.
No, what?, where do you get this reasoning from??,
i can't believe i need to explain this the second time, type 1 concept is an all-catching term for every universal concepts that independent from what they are governs. fiction verse itself can create their own system of concept that not related to real life concept such as Platonic or Jungian
It's there to showcase what abstract concepts. If all you can say is ''It doesn't apply to the abstract concepts the page talks about'' then Let's wait for the staff to show up and tell us whether abstract concepts are treated as platonic on this wiki. BTW even if type 1 isn't treated as platonic on this wiki the thread argues for type 2.
No, Platonic forms are perfect concepts that transcends very notion of physicality , and is 1-A in nature, which is different from what some system of concepts that is established in certain verses, as they are not 1-A by default unless further evaluated. Concepts by default are constructs that shapes, defines, governs reality within it's area of influence in the background.. Also the laws of physics are completely different from the presented laws that governs reality.
We love the usual dragon ball crt stonewalling
If you can't counter a db crt, use derailment, that's my ninja way!
Given the current standards, just being opposite concepts of each other is not really enough to consider them as dualities. Much like how "life and death" was rejected as being a duality (it would have to be "life and non-life" or "death and non-death" for example, just read this whole thread for more info), positive and negative energy wouldn't be one for the same reason, since the Nonduality page has its dualities working off of logical negations instead of classical/cosmic ones.
Not all Type 1 concepts are Platonic. They can be, but it's not the default. The image of the World of Forms in the page is just an example to illustrate the idea of the ability (as is the case with any other P&A page), but it's also a legacy/remnant of the very old concept standards when Type 1 concept used to be only Platonic and nothing else (nevertheless, it's still a good image to represent the ability even today).
Wouldn’t this be a negation? Since it describes how plus and negative energy cancel each other out the same way -1 would be negated by +1 to make 0.
When I say "logical negation" it's meant for this, instead of negation in the sense where they cancel each other out. Basically, the duality has to be "A and Not A" instead of "A and B", even if A and B are opposites of each other. It's a rather stinky standard, but it's how it is right now.
I mean omega shenron is himself made out of negative energy so if he had destroyed the universe and negative energy wasn't independent then he himself would have died i don't think he would have destroyed universe if that was the reason not to mention his power is negative energy itself so giving up his power for destroying the universe doesn't seem in character to me but again it is an assumption so that's why it is a possibly/likely rating
This is saying that what is a duality is defined differently in other verses and that it won't necessarily be a logical duality. It's not saying any duality qualify, but only a specific type of duality.
If the whole reason for Type 1 (for Toei) is from that then consider me as neutral for it. One could say it makes sense narratively, but since this is about Type 1 concept manipulation, it should at least have some evidence that implies it IMO, instead of just basing off of common sense or vibes.
I linked an (accepted) thread above that explained why just being opposites to each other (or negating each other) is not considered a duality on the site. If even "life and death" is not considered a duality despite both being opposites or negating each other out, then I dont see why positive and negative energy would be one here.
Wouldn't possibly be a fine compromise I am not looking for a solid one in this kind of situations
I believe Beerus thought that if he overdid it, Whis could stop him, which gave him the confidence to let go slightly.
Thank you, anyway i will drop the Likely Type 1 Concept for Toei
Would you mind pinging some translation helpers here?, like @Executor_N0 , etc..... Thanks you
The scope isn’t just the planets they’re on but it also reaches the Kaioshin Realm. For negative energy he does affect reality in a similar way to Janemba, as shown here we see that King Yenma is unable to use his powers and states there’s a power that’s affecting him. Then, it pans to the cracked dragon balls and we can see how it’s affecting the living world and afterlife. Shenron tells us that these effects on reality happened because the dragon balls went haywire (the negative energy), and caused all of this. That’s why the dead were also coming back to life. Then, positive energy scales to that and can undo it, and also governs reality. Positive energy is directly stated to be the form of the ideal world, and manifests justice, and it’s explained that’s why it can undo the effects of negative energy.
