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high 1-c physical emanators fr
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HSR scale stuff. (IM NEED STAFF VOTE :pray:)
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Saber and Stelle Vs Ichigo tag team fr
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hey what is your thoughts on the entire crt
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I am quited conflicted with how to treat amphoreus characters scale. They are simulated digital beings so they should be qualitively inferior to the rest of the cosmo, no? I know Scepter can create a planet but they said that they are string of 0 and 1 or something like that in the story. What you guys think tho?
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Arent they just scaled to dan heng and trailblazer
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Yes and phainon scratched nanook so nanook is 11C too,
no we shouldnt, Simulation or not these chracers have shown power comparable and some even higher than trailblazer and dan heng. on top of that we have entire animated short abt Phainon escaping amphoreus, managing to scratch nanook but bcs he he failed to survive (got washed by zephyro) he merged with Irontomb
Aeons cast a gaze here and TB would literally perma die id it wasnt for cassie helping us
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How do you assume the Trailblazer literally died from an astral express wagon crash?
Amphoreous should be treated as separate from the general scale of the game.
I remain neutral around all of this.
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I can try to calc itIf what Phainon does needs to be calculated, it's not going to be 3-B given it wasn't calculated through him destroying galaxies but rather through his large size (I don't know what method should I use than this, because obviously atomization and subatomic destruction can't be used and like the result is too underwhelmingly low, if like you used the melting point for the incineration part then again 95% of galaxy's matter can't be calculated due to it being dark matter anyway).
I haven't calculated him through large size calculations yet, but I'm sure this warrants like 3-A or higher into 3-A. There's no way this is 3-B, I mean just look at the page
Phainon's going to inflate it (If you don't know it yet why it's going to be inflated, it's the sprinting speed part of Phainon) but again I haven't calculated it so
Large Size Calculations
In fiction, there are many characters of Large Size. When it comes to tiering them their size alone can be an indicator of their statistics. This page explains which statistics can and can't be calculated from size alone. The physical attack potency, and with it the durability, can be estimated...vsbattles.fandom.com
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Get it to universal fr
Yanina92
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I will do the calc with many alternatives, I also will see how much MFTL+ he will reach-
Zephyro is higher than Phainon for sure, he didn't even fought seriously against Phainon I think and I'm pretty sure he is the strongest Lord Ravager.
Yanina92
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Mm, while I do an calc I wanted to talk about these too:
1. I don't think Jingliu is scaling below Dan Heng, because she is clearly above Dan Feng:
2. Look, I know about Welt statement of Xianzhou Generals and everything but it's very possible that he is talking about the Lightning Lord and I can prove this:
There also valid points to say that Jing Yuan could've an Emanator himself, but It's more convincing to me that his Lightning Lord is the Emanator from what the scans say, I'm open to see any counter-argument or new arguments for Jing Yuan to be an Emanator which is not improbable, but everything points to Lightning Lord is the Emanator.
1. I don't think Jingliu is scaling below Dan Heng, because she is clearly above Dan Feng:
This is before she got mara-strucked, which boost her power even more. So unless Dan Heng is, by someway stronger than Dan Feng (which is very unlikely, they're at best comparable each other), Jingliu should scale above him. There also the cutscene of Dan Heng hurting Sunday but it was in an false reality, Sunday guard was down and Jing Yuan helped him, as I say Dan Feng and Jingliu together couldn't defeat Shuhu so they wouldn't scale to the Phainon feat for sure because Jingliu got one-shoted by Lightning Lord.
2. Look, I know about Welt statement of Xianzhou Generals and everything but it's very possible that he is talking about the Lightning Lord and I can prove this:
- First Jing Yuan couldn't fight against Phantylia without the use of Lightning Lord and when he used it he defeated her.
- When he fought against Sunday he used his Lightning Lord again.
- The Welt statement doesn't explictly says that they are Emanator level in their own, they never demostrated that level of power by themselves.
- Jing Yuan struggled against Mara-Strucked Jingliu without the use of Lightning Lord, but when used it he one-shoted Jingliu.
- In this scan we clearly see the image of the Lightning Lord, not the generals themselves.
- About the Black Swan statement, she could have just sensed the power of Lightning Lord against the Emanator, not afirms that she didn't. At same time the Feixao statement could have refered to her Flying Aureus, which is the equivalent of Jing Yuan Lightning Lord.
- There was never an direct affirmation of the Xianzhou Generals being Emanators by themselves.
- Jingliu and Dan Feng together couldn't defeat an Emanator like Shuhu, but Teng Xiao with his Lightning Lord can kill Shuhu and he also used it against Ignamar, fighting each other in a very hard fight and Ignamar is an heliobus like Phantylia, though he was fused with the fragments of many others heliobus.
There also valid points to say that Jing Yuan could've an Emanator himself, but It's more convincing to me that his Lightning Lord is the Emanator from what the scans say, I'm open to see any counter-argument or new arguments for Jing Yuan to be an Emanator which is not improbable, but everything points to Lightning Lord is the Emanator.
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I got 3-B, rip
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Recalc it to 3-A fr
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Personally speaking jing yuan using spiritus was always shown as a finishing move given he always fought without it before hand, but if this is the case ig i can downgrade them to 3-C physically, 3-B with Spirituses and then 1-B with paths, but given how spirituses are always used as final blow and are direct blessing from Lan? idk mate, anyway im out from crt and page contributing for at least 3 months since im in another country for work so i can only leave some comments like this
You can debate this with cassie and ig @Voidnether
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Bro are there no other HSR supporters
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Does Phainon’s multi galaxy feat fall under an exception for needing a calc for this CRT? Also thoughts on @Emirp sumitpo suggestion for Phainon at his absolute strongest/peak scaling to 1-B physically when he damaged Nanook
Here’s nanook’s profile
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Nanook is the Aeon that presides over the Path of Destruction. THEY were born from Adlivun as the world fell. THEY often appear as a human male with dark skin and golden eyes. THEY are the leader of the Antimatter Legion and the overall main antagonist of the Honkai: Star Rail. Tier: At least...
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I'd prefer a calculation regardless, but that's just me.
I'm fine with it as a Likely.
Logically, it's true that you'd need to be at the same level ontologically to scratch something, but in fiction that could also be a narrative indication they can't actually do meaningful damage at all.
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The other Emanators in this CRT all scales to 1-B via their path power due to irontomb being capable of killing an Aeon so for me atleast it wouldn’t be too far fetch for Phainon physically damaging Nanook and fully scaling.
Thanks for your input
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In that case it's probably fine.
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I will try to get the calculation blog to be made this midnight or tomorrow (When I'm free in the moment), then get it evaluated as to be fair: It's precisely not the calculation itself that's hard to digest but rather the main assumptions (Which in turn, would also be the justification why the calculation got to this conclusion) for it, et cetera because I know it would be really hard to digest given this verse's worldbuilding plays out in an intergalactic scale but yeah I'll inform you all once it gets accepted by calc group members
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I’m expecting a 3-A Saber and Archer scale coming from this calc
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What I see is that they can't be fully Emanators, since they never show the physicals of an Emanator and was never outright confirmed to be one, it's very likely that the Emanators are the Spiritus and not themselves.
You will calc it? I did the calculation in discord I only need to publish it.
The difference between 3-B and 3-A it's more than x800, it's too hard to get it to Universal lvl actually-
Yanina92
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Isn't better an variable tier? something like:
- Varies, usually 3-B, up to 1-B at peak
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not sure. Also post the calc in a blog and we wait for @Voidnether attempt as well
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You guys can continue/apply this CRT given there's already 2 staff approvals with the 3-B ones requiring to be calculated first, I have decided that I'm making a new CRT about it when it finishes. I just have to add the scans then the large size calculations.
Other than this, I'm gonna be adding the standard sizes for HSR itself as a verse in that same CRT (Star system spanning tens of thousands of lightyears from Glamoth, and galaxy spanning millions of lightyears from Asdana galaxy) so people wouldn't think that if it's a star system then the value wouldn't be that high EVEN if star system in HSR spans like tens of thousands of lightyears
Other than this, I'm gonna be adding the standard sizes for HSR itself as a verse in that same CRT (Star system spanning tens of thousands of lightyears from Glamoth, and galaxy spanning millions of lightyears from Asdana galaxy) so people wouldn't think that if it's a star system then the value wouldn't be that high EVEN if star system in HSR spans like tens of thousands of lightyears
Yanina92
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Does the Galaxies have bigger size? I used the milky way for now, but if there an standard or smh I can try using them too.
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Asdana galaxy is stated to be millions of lightyears which atleast should be 2 million lightyears, it's in the end of 2.2. You can look up the largest galaxy list in wikipedia (ESO 383-76) and it's only 1,764,000 lightyears in diameter. Mainly my large size calculation were to fix this
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I found the source of it and also done, though I still don't see how it would've 3-A
, the difference between 3-B and 3-A is so damn big..
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Yeah, 3-A is only possible if you were using the Kinetic Energy instead but it would violate the standards itself. I figured it out as much as that, by the way is it really fine to multiply cm³ with the m³ instead of converting the density in m³ to cm³ first for a better result? This one's better than what I was trying to calculate, so if it's fine to multiply cm³ with the m³ instead of the cm³ then imma link it there and it's done. I just have to add the scans and I can finally post the blog with the source code, this helps so much thank youI found the source of it and also done, though I still don't see how it would've 3-A
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I don't think it would give me higher results, because if I use g/cm3 it would give me the results in grams and not kg and the formulas use kg-
Yanina92
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What will happen with the Pathstriders tier now? Any of the two calcs have high values than baseline, that means that every pathstrider and current character will be fully 3-B by downscaling from Nikador who scales completely to Phainon feat which I don't know how much true that is, or they return to 4-A via the Argenti feat? Idk
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they’d be in 3-B scaling to aventurine of stratagems like how they are currently and post CRT.
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Btw this CRT removes the 10x nikador multiplier. The astral express now only scales to Aventurine who is 10x weaker than an actual emanator
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How does Nikador scale to Phainon feat?
anyway cornerstone level people are just 1/10th of emanator level
other pathstriders are either 4-C or Unknown there are not many profiles for pathstriders anyway
I could strip 3-C from Xianzhou TB and Express snd put them at argenti being 4-A trough his feat and then idk who could scale to them
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Why would you remove 3-c from xianzhou key. That key is directly combined with the penacony key which would now be 3-B scaling to aventurine still
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its still a gap between two events
and assuming calc gets accepted for asdana galaxy, just imagine one guy being dozens of yottafoe and then Phainon whos in QUETTAKILOFOES
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