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they are bloodlusted so I think that kind of takes that out
One issue I see is that Spiderman apparently has ******* resistance to soul manip so w Yujis domain using soul manip thats a problem
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Cursed With Responsibility: Spider-Man (Insomniac) vs Yuji Itadori
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One issue I see is that Spiderman apparently has ******* resistance to soul manip so w Yujis domain using soul manip thats a problem
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They weren't before
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ah ok
still doesnt help that in base spidermans got resistance to soul manip so Domain is less effective although it could seperate the symbiote since the key spiderman has uses it. Spiderman resists biological manipulation in this key but not fissionism as far as I see. Yujis best chances would be to seperate Petey from the symbiote via limited fissionism and seperate to get the symbiote out
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if its post meteorite spiderman then Yuji might be cooked but if its symbiote spiderman, Yuji could use Domain to utilize limited fissionism and seperate spiderman from the symbiote (which I guess would weaken spiderman to a level where Yujis got the advantage)
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I don't see why post meteorite Spidey would be immune to Yuji's fissionism if pre meteorite wasn't. Miles separated him post meteorite iirc
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The fusion is biological, not spiritual. It's not like the symbiote is intertwined with Spidey's soul. It's a biological fusion. Yuji can't separate the fusion, because his fissionism is soul-based.
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Is everyone who read JJK leaving out the fact that Yuji's shrine due to being a newly awakened technique has piss poor AP? Shrine seriously isn't a factor here
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It sucks in comparison to SUKUNA i.e the strongest character with most likely the second highest output. It could cut into Sukuna in 257, Yuji refined it further over the course of the fight and hit more Black Flashes, it will certainly cut someone weaker than Yuji, especially since it can deal soul damage
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an attack that is considered bad ap because it doesnt do much dmg to a character with massively greater durability doesnt matter when the opponent only has a 1.2x power advantage. The attacks ap is not a problem in this case because the power gap between spiderman and yuji is so minimal
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Yuji has the advantage
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Spiderman scales around 1.672635922562141 Kilotons of TNT (Small Town level) doesnt he? unless he downscales then yeah Shrine is more effective
also blackflash but we are not gonna argue over the chance of it happening since it is slim
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I think he's just upscaled from the MCB+ calc to baseline
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how much does he upscale to get to baseline?
idk the value of upscaling but I wouldve assumed that he scaled to sandman but I am not knowledgeable on the ap scaling of the games nor do I know the story and fights well
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I already explained he's 1 Kiloton
If he did then he should scale to that in his first key, but he doesn't
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alright
so if Yuji has the ap advantage then more moves work well like Shrine, blood manip, etc
think the main issue is that Spiderman just has precog and resistances to alot of stuff so the effects are a bit more dulled
so if Yuji has the ap advantage then more moves work well like Shrine, blood manip, etc
think the main issue is that Spiderman just has precog and resistances to alot of stuff so the effects are a bit more dulled
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This is still vague on his profile and in matches. Is the key seriously just post BF spam or is it start of shinjuku? Either way OP should specify, otherwise bringing up feats during BF spam don't matter since he'd have to get those off in this match.
Spiderman's got the edge in maneuverability to the point he could just set up webs quick enough to pull Yuji's arm away before he tries using Shrine, Blood manip get dodged and blocked, it'll be as useless as it was against Sukuna.
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All OP says is the key and bloodlusted.
If Spiderman catches him off guard he won't have the time to apply resistance from the webs pull especially if he's getting pieced up by spiderman or being pulled from different angles.
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If he blocks them he's cooked. He would get poisoned which kicks in in a matter of seconds and can leave people unable to move (Naoya). Something like Supernova also probably couldn't be dodged easily since it's an omnidirectional explosion of blood. And I assume Yuji would use it instantly the moment Spiderman gets in range after seeing how mobile he is. Because he's certainly not going to use it when Spidey is nearly out of range. Thus he'll block it, and get poisoned. Blood manip is pretty useful here I'd say.
The LS gap is comical. There's no way Spider-Man could apply the webs to negate Yuji being able to apply resistance, and additionally can escape either via Shrine to cut the webs, or manipulate his blood to cut the webs.
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Yuji fra
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Blocks with webs. And the symbiote should be able to negate the effects. Spiderman's dealt with omnidirectional attacks before and its really nothing impressive given his perception can be slowed down to react faster plus the suits got IA in case he does get hit and weakens from the poison.
And my point is that since Spiderman can web him faster than Yuji can react and resist against the pull, he'll be pulled and slammed into a wall or just have his attempt to touch Spiderman moved.
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The only resistance the symbiote provides is to disease manipulation. Not poison which functions wholly different. Especially since the poison in this case is supernatural (A result of having Curse blood or whatever bs Choso had). So poison isn't being taken care of in any capacity unless I missed a resistance to poison on the profile. Webs get pierced like a hot knife through butter and then pierce Spider-Man since Yuji has the AP advantage and the attacks have piercing power. I don't doubt his skill to avoid AoE (Which I assume is done through the means I mentioned earlier of backing up before or while they explode), but I think he's very likely to be tagged at least once which is really all Yuji needs since most of his stuff screws Spider-Man up (Shrine harms his soul which causes him to grow physically weaker, blood manip poisons which incaps). And if you're going to argue Spider-Man evades every single attack and doesn't get tagged once, then Yuji would just use his Domain Expansion.
And before you argue he webs his hands up before then
1. Spider-Man has no knowledge of it, and thus that he should stop it (He may think he has to evade)
2. Him doing the sign scales to his combat speed, and is infinitely less distance than Spider-Man's webs need to travel (Several meters vs Centimeters), so Yuji gets off Domain first.
He can't web him up faster than Yuji can react. Speed is equalized, and Spider-Man's webs need to travel several meters which gives Yuji plenty of time to react. Not saying Yuji avoids the webs, just that he has more than enough time to react. He can then spread Shrine throughout the entirety of Spider-Man's web up to his web-shooter, and since Spider-Man can't see Cursed Techniques, that would result in not just his web getting destroyed, but also Spider-Man's wrist getting ****** up or just straight up cut off.
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That doesn't make his webbing faster???
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It slows his perception. It doesn't make his webs faster or his combat speed faster. Just his reaction time.
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Spidey's whole thing is that he swings around and dodges attacks. I don't think there'll ever be a situation where Spidey opts to block something over dodging it if he can help it. If bum *** Naoya can dodge multiple attacks from Choso's Blood Manipulation, Spidey can do the same with flying colors, especially when Precognition.
We have to remember, this is symbiote Spidey. The symbiote is a protective layer over Peter himself, the supernova would hit the symbiote and the symbiote would negate it off of warping it's own internal biology. Naoya got out of Supernova by manipulating his own movement, basically doing body puppetry, I don't see why the symbiote couldn't.
Blood-lusted Spidey means Peter will Frame 1 dump all of his gadgets and try to kill Yuji as quickly as possible. This stuff includes paralyzing Yuji with electricity, deafening him with sound waves, all that jazz. Yuji isn't getting off Domain Expansion before Spidey mag dumps everything on Yuji and just kills him.
A serious Peter can unironically Stomp Kraken with pure physicals, the guy who can run the gauntlet on his sinister six villain collage, beating them all while dying from cancer and having no particularly special Hax, using nothing but his own talents. Sinister Six is the same people who can run through the entirety of New York and require complex maneuvers and planning to defeat (for example, Spidey had to drag a feral Reptile's *** to the sewers while also avoiding other people)
Spidey can dodge AoE attacks. Supernova isn't hard to dodge though. Choso could only hit it against Naoya while being at basically point-blank range. Yuji's Blood Manipulation is way inferior to Choso's. Actually, I don't even think Yuji can use Supernova without help from Choso. I need to look back at Sukuna Showdown again.
Spidey's Precog handles Yuji's attacks anyways
His perception manip statues Yuji so he can take as long as he needs to decide on what he wants to do.
Spidey's first move is to web up people regardless of whether he knows them or not. If Precog tells Spidey he can't dodge Yuji's attack, he's concussing Yuji with sound manipulation and electrocuting him. If Precog tells Spidey he can dodge it, Spidey dodges it and then follows up with web shooters into gadget dump.
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If his perceptions faster he will get it off faster...
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Him firing it before Yuji attacks doesn't matter, for what you are proposing to happen his webbing would need to be blitzing Yuji and that just isn't going to happen
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No it don't.
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Counted, anyone else want to place votes?
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might go for Yuji FRA
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SPooderman FRA.
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Okay, but Naoya should have analytical prediction PLUS he's also a perception blitz faster than Choso. And it's funny you mention that because Supernova was the one move Choso used that he actually couldn't dodge due to it's fast and huge AoE. Now Spidey DOES have precog and great evasive skills, so not saying it's impossible. But Naoya had the advantage of a massive speed advantage that Spidey doesn't have here. Yuji can strategize an opening like Choso did to launch the move to a degree where Spidey physically can't dodge it and has to block it.
And I think the symbiote layer is being penetrated. Yuji has an AP advantage and it's a piercing attack that can pierce through people stronger than the user. And if Yuji has the AP advantage, it's going clean into Spidey.
Also, Naoya literally never evaded Supernova what are u referring to? Supernova is literally the move that tagged him that he couldn't evade despite his analytical prediction skills, and massive speed advantage:
Doing a hand gesture is faster than launching everything you have at someone from several meters away. And tbh, I don't think deafening Yuji is going to do much of anything, and I sort of doubt he'd use it on Yuji because it's so useless compared to his other stuff that it would be a waste of his time that gives Yuji more of an opportunity to do his stuff. And I don't think mag dumping is going to kill someone with a durability advantage with absurd pain tolerance and stamina. It seems more like a minor inconvenience.
Bruh, the move you linked to is WAY easier to evade than Supernova. That was an electric beam that split into like 6 large pillars with huge gaps to evade between. Supernova shoots hundreds/thousands of small blood projectiles like shrapnel out omnidirectionally. There's literally not enough space between the projectiles to weave between the projectiles. And yes, he used it when Naoya was point blank, which I said is what Yuji would do because the move sucks ass at a distance. The move is literally designed to be used at close range. It's basically a grenade, you don't use a grenade on someone 50 feet away. You get the grenade close to them and then explode it.
As for if he needs help, I also don't remember. I thought he needed help for Piercing Blood.
I don't think Spideys precog can forsee a Domain Expansion if I'm being honest. He would need to be able to sense Cursed Energy, and have the ability to see Yuji can create a pocket dimension made out of it. And Yuji doing a hand gesture is faster than both of Spideys counters to him using it due to equalized speed. It's attacks that need to travel several meters vs Yuji's hands moving centimeters to do a simple hand gesture.
He will use it quicker, but the web won't travel to Yuji faster because it's not a speed amp. Nor will he be able to swing Yuji into walls before he can react, because that would mean his combat speed increased. Only his perception of time increased, allowing him more time to act. His combat speed isn't stated to increase there.
I think Yuji tries fighting Spider-Man hand-to-hand, gets outmaneuvered badly and webbed up. Yuji uses Shrine to cut the web and Spider-Man's arm off (Because the Shrine travels through the length of whatever he touched, and the webs come from Spider-Man's wrists), and then realizes he has to use different methods. Even if Spider-Man's arm is in-tact, everything that follows remains the same. Yuji MIGHT consider using blood manipulation which gives Spidey more time to do stuff, but I think Yuji's smart enough to know it'd be hard to reliably land it on Spidey when his blood manipulation isn't as precise as Choso's. So he puts his hand up and casts a domain and then it's gg's.
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