Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[TheHyperGuy]

who said that was whole chair...you can't see the problem.
object a of the object b, in result object a is appart of the object b, for the case example.
then you come up with object a of the object b, in result object b is appart of object a, for the scans.
you completely turn around the object here.

Respectfully, this makes no sense.

My premise is that Key world is apart of the Universe, because it's a planet. I give reason and evidence to support that reason. You simply not giving reason as to why this would be backwards, such as universe apart of key world, isn't even truthful to the situation.

So give me reason why key world holds a universe, then maybe you can seem more credible, but that's also having to simultaneously debunk my evidence and reason for it being a planet. Until then, it's describing the Universe of the cardinal world.

Utilizing the same analogy as the chair, I can equally put; The Owner of that dog, The Dimension of that star, The region of that lake, or The continent of that jungle.
All I'm doing is this large thing, is related to this smaller thing, like ownership.

Let me put some of these in sentences to help;
"I am the owner of that dog right there."
"What's the dimension of that star called again?"
"How do you pronounce the region of that lake?"
"Where's the continent of that jungle?"

If the name of the jungle, star or lake is already known, you can just refer to it as "that __" because the subject is already known.

Do we really have to get the translator back here to address this, or will we stop making arguments about the sentence structure.

 

[AnviIndo28]

Respectfully, this makes no sense.

My premise is that Key world is apart of the Universe, because it's a planet. I give reason and evidence to support that reason. You simply not giving reason as to why this would be backwards, such as universe apart of key world, isn't even truthful to the situation.

So give me reason why key world holds a universe, then maybe you can seem more credible, but that's also having to simultaneously debunk my evidence and reason for it being a planet. Until then, it's describing the Universe of the cardinal world.

Utilizing the same analogy as the chair, I can equally put; The Owner of that dog, The Dimension of that star, The region of that lake, or The continent of that jungle.
All I'm doing is this large thing, is related to this smaller thing, like ownership.

Let me put some of these in sentences to help;
"I am the owner of that dog right there."
"What's the dimension of that star called again?"
"How do you pronounce the region of that lake?"
"Where's the continent of that jungle?"

If the name of the jungle, star or lake is already known, you can just refer to it as "that __" because the subject is already known.

Do we really have to get the translator back here to address this, or will we stop making arguments about the sentence structure.

the problem was, there is no "that" in the sentence, straight to object.
edit : also, why y'all really hate opinion on this website ? this was NOT CRT thread, but GENERAL THREAD. if you really hate opposite opinion, then i just shut up and never interact with this anymore.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

the problem was, there is no "that" in the sentence, straight to object.

The and That are the same thing, you could switch them and it'd still work. See this is the issue, you argue semantics, not the actually reasoning/evidence

 

[AnviIndo28]

The and That are the same thing, you could switch them and it'd still work. See this is the issue, you argue semantics, not the actually reasoning/evidence

"Here, the stars had long since exhausted their natural lifespan, but the world itself had not yet collapsed. It is presumed that Feldway’s power was limited strictly to destroying the universe of the key world"
the world itself had yet not collapsed, then the next sentence saying destroying universe of the key world. if the context was key world destroyed inside the universe, that's decoherent with previous sentence saying the world itself had not yet collapsed...

 

[PrimeHydra64]

The focus on civilisation when talking about worlds just sounds like velgrynd trying to categorise them based on her experience within those worlds.

Spoiler: Different levels of civilisation

Velgrynd had traveled through all those worlds. But all of it was not of her own intention, but by what she was guided to. There were different levels of civilization, and Velgrynd had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in.

And the fact that she is tracking rudra's soul fragments specifically means she would almost definitely be on a planet.

Spoiler: Tracking Rudra

By doing so, she made the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King Cthugha’ completely her own. The Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King Cthugha’ had the power to track Rudra’s soul. Strictly speaking, the effect was to discover an entity once specified. Velgrynd can now find pieces of her beloved Rudra’s soul, no matter how remote or far away they are, even beyond time and space.

And intersellar world doesn't mean that it is actually in an interstellar space but actually the level of civilisation as right before she talks about that "rudra's" rank as a fleet commander.

Spoiler: Velgrynd talking about the rudras and their civilisations.

So Velgrynd remembered all worlds, all of Rudra. The fleet commander of the interstellar world. The minister of a small country in the world of swords and magic. The rare scammer in the world without magic. The poor scientist in the civilized world. Velgrynd is often called upon at moments of crisis when one who possesses a fragment of Rudra’s ‘soul’ is in danger. It is only when he is on the verge of death that his soul shines forth.

 

[AnviIndo28]

Snip

exactly, this what i mean, thx for additional context.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

yes i arguing semantics, BECAUSE THIS WAS GENERAL THREAD !!!

So I'm guessing since you aren't focusing on the main arguments, you have to rebuttal.

So if we're going to argue semantic; so this won't go anywhere till a CRT is made to prove it. See you in that one

 

[Violatas]

Btw since Astral's ban was reduced to 3 months he'll be unbanned in about a week

 

[SweetDao]

Btw since Astral's ban was reduced to 3 months he'll be unbanned in about a week

Proof?

 

[Violatas]

Proof?

Yogiri told me

 

[TheHyperGuy]

The focus on civilisation when talking about worlds just sounds like velgrynd trying to categorise them based on her experience within those worlds.

That doesn't mean it's focusing on the civilization, just because levels of civilizations is mentioned, doesn't take away from the fact that she is talking about the worlds themselves and describing them.

The term "world" is still used, so unless you want to argue that world means nothing in velgrynds travels, then we can make that. Other worlds =/= don't matter, cause it's referring to civilizations, to other worlds = civilizations. See how bad that line of logic is?

The whole point was her going to "other worlds" what are these worlds, well she describes them. You're getting to caught on the level of civilization part to actually ignore the context of what "world" means in this instance.

And intersellar world doesn't mean that it is actually in an interstellar space but actually the level of civilisation as right before she talks about that "rudra's" rank as a fleet commander.

Really? This is the hill you're going to stand on? Yes, it mentions a fleet commander, that is the part of civilization they are talking about. Interstellar world is not talking about that, they are still in between stars. So unless their civilization is only between stars, this make no sense.

Anyway, if y'all are going to keep this up, CRT incoming ig

 

[AnviIndo28]

So I'm guessing since you aren't focusing on the main arguments, you have to rebuttal.

So if we're going to argue semantic; so this won't go anywhere till a CRT is made to prove it. See you in that one

i already edited the message.

 

[SweetDao]

Yogiri told me

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Btw since Astral's ban was reduced to 3 months he'll be unbanned in about a week

Oh, nice so he's about to start cooking some people then.

 

[Violatas]

Oh, nice so he's about to start cooking some people then.

I mean bluntly speaking I doubt anyone is gonna take him seriously for awhile. He'll have to build trust back up first

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Oh, nice so he's about to start cooking some people then.

So basically you're saying you're incapable.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

I mean bluntly speaking I doubt anyone is gonna take him seriously for awhile. He'll have to build trust back up first

And what did he even do, for example?
He did nothing and trust doesn’t matter as long as his arguments are correct. It’s up to the moderators to accept them whether they like him or not.

That’s what’s called fairness without involving personal matters.
And I know you’re talking about translations, but he literally explained the reason through his actions no one just bothered to listen.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

That doesn't mean it's focusing on the civilization, just because levels of civilizations is mentioned, doesn't take away from the fact that she is talking about the worlds themselves and describing them.

The term "world" is still used, so unless you want to argue that world means nothing in velgrynds travels, then we can make that. Other worlds =/= don't matter, cause it's referring to civilizations, to other worlds = civilizations. See how bad that line of logic is?

The whole point was her going to "other worlds" what are these worlds, well she describes them. You're getting to caught on the level of civilization part to actually ignore the context of what "world" means in this instance.

Really? This is the hill you're going to stand on? Yes, it mentions a fleet commander, that is the part of civilization they are talking about. Interstellar world is not talking about that, they are still in between stars. So unless their civilization is only between stars, this make no sense.

The entire reason why she mentions the backgrounds of the rudras is because of how they are different in terms of progress in their civilisations and their unique properies. Hell, that quote makes it seem like she sometimes gets confused because of their progress differing so wildly. That is why she can't guess why dimension or timeline she is in because progress can range from interplanetary empire to barbarian tribe. It is pretty clear that she is talking about civilisations within these worlds.

She is talking about its properites not anything else. By the your same logic, she doesn't give the size of the planet that means that it is moon level because it is not stated to be that size.

Anyway, if y'all are going to keep this up, CRT incoming ig

it has stars surrounding it the cardinal world planet. So destroying or recreation the Cardinal World Universe would be at bare minimum multi solar if you disregard most of the statements and properties that are intrinsic to a universe.


As said by vietthai, Another Worlds basically means Another Dimension. And by your own admition agree dimensions are equal to universes.

Post in thread 'Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Cosmology Page Remake' https://vsbattles.com/threads/tense...vel-cosmology-page-remake.177683/post-7012865

 

[TheHyperGuy]

"Here, the stars had long since exhausted their natural lifespan, but the world itself had not yet collapsed. It is presumed that Feldway’s power was limited strictly to destroying the universe of the key world"
the world itself had yet not collapsed, then the next sentence saying destroying universe of the key world. if the context was key world destroyed inside the universe, that's decoherent with previous sentence saying the world itself had not yet collapsed...

This doesn't matter since, world in that context means universe/dimension. And it's obvious because of what I said prior;

This clearly implies dimensions = worlds[in this context] = universes

Now some supporting reason is, end of the world = end of the universe = end of space and time.

Spoiler: Vol 21 OTL

There was nothing that could move Zegion as he questioned everyone’s agitation. It showed that from the bottom of his heart, he didn’t think there was any way Rimuru had been defeated.
“Sir Rimuru is our god,” he strongly avowed. “He could return to us from the far end of the universe. If he has not yet, there must be some reason for it.”
...
This is the End World. It’s also referred to as the End of Space and Time.
...
That is correct. Time has stopped in this place. The expansion of space has also reached its end. The law of entropy has guided this universe into its final stasis.

So clearly, end of world = end of space and time = end of universe.

So clearly all three things mean the same, therefore world in this instance, disregarding cardinal "world" since cardinal world is a specific world, world means the universe.

The universe is not destroyed, least not in the typical "its gone" sense;

Spoiler: Vol 21 OTL

We didn’t know what happened to Ivalage or how things had worked out at all, but what’s certain is that the world did not end.
...
I assumed Ivalage went on a rampage while I was gone, destroying the world the way Feldway wanted. But even if Ciel was telling me that didn’t destroy the world, I couldn’t really call this much better.

It clearly refutes the actual destruction of the world in the way feldway wanted.

So clearly this isn't saying the cardinal world is not destroyed, but reinstating that the world isn't gone, but is in ruin or "dead" like in the heat death theory.

 

[ZillionZeutron]

So basically you're saying you’re incapable.

Dont bother replying to him. Most tensura goons view astral as their lord and savior purely because of his scales of 1-S bs in CSAP. Also because of the fact that out of every supporter i’ve seen for the verse, only astral seems to know how a debate works.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Also because of the fact that out of every supporter i’ve seen for the verse, only astral seems to know how a debate works.

I don't like the guy but slandering those who've shown actually genuine care and effort for the verse isn't on my to-do list.

 

[ZillionZeutron]

I don't like the guy but slandering those who've shown actually genuine care and effort for the verse isn't on my to-do list.

This is why i said “Most” not all. Im aware guys like dark_souls and code are competent people.

 

[CodeCCLL]

So basically you're saying you're incapable.

Yes, you expect people to behave politely and at the same time you provoke them.

Also because of the fact that out of every supporter i’ve seen for the verse, only astral seems to know how a debate works.

This is why i said “Most” not all. Im aware guys like dark_souls and code are competent people

There are many more people than you think.

 

[ZillionZeutron]

Yes, you expect people to behave politely and at the same time you provoke them.


There are many more people than you think.

Yes i know. That is why i put “guys like”, implying that the only competent people are the ones like you and dark_souls.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Yes, you expect people to behave politely and at the same time you provoke them.

Touche, I'll take that one as my mistake.

Nothing for me to feel full-on sorry for with the other times though I'll say that much. Aggressive outward expression just tends to warrant other outward expression, whether it slips or not. But that's for me to work on.

 

[Doomrider7]

Yes, you expect people to behave politely and at the same time you provoke them.


There are many more people than you think.

It's why I stopped taking this site even slightly seriously as a powerscaling site. It's not whether one is right or wrong or whether number/letter go big, but more the repellant toxic smugness and pretentiousness paired with an expectation for people to take being spat on, punched down on, and insulted and not have something to say about that.

 

[CodeCCLL]

It's not whether one is right or wrong or whether number/letter go big, but more the repellant toxic smugness and pretentiousness paired with an expectation for people to take being spat on, punched down on, and insulted and not have something to say about that.

Yes, expecially I don't understand why those who obviously mock Tensura/Tensura supporters, on CRTs/other verse's general threads, label Tensura supporters as offensive, toxic and rude when they see the reaction of Tensura supporters.

Yes, maybe in some cases, somethings were misunderstood and people overreacted, but other than that, people generally reap what they sow; if you sow the seeds of hatred, you will get hatred.

 

[Robo432343]

Yes, expecially I don't understand why those who obviously mock Tensura/Tensura supporters, on CRTs/other verse's general threads, label Tensura supporters as offensive, toxic and rude when they see the reaction of Tensura supporters.

Yes, maybe in some cases, somethings were misunderstood and people overreacted, but other than that, people generally reap what they sow; if you sow the seeds of hatred, you will get hatred.

did you not see the messages of @Tempestdragon6

or do you not consider him a supporter

 

[CodeCCLL]

did you not see the messages of @Tempestdragon6

or do you not consider him a supporter

I'm not specifically addressing Tensura supporters, the example can be extended; you should have realized that.

Also, @Tempestdragon6 was unnecessarily aggressive towards also me. If he's having trouble controlling himself, he should stay away from the forum for a while to avoid further reports.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

So basically you're saying you're incapable.

I do not need to prove my ability to someone who judges out of their inability to understand.

 

[Ultimuru]

So now to "scare" Tensura fans people are using "I will make CRT for it soon". Funny.

It's even more funny when such CRT is not accepted.

 

[Robo432343]

Astral coming back with more MTL

 

[Napoleonic01]

Astral coming back with more MTL

Finally

 

[TheHyperGuy]

So now to "scare" Tensura fans people are using "I will make CRT for it soon". Funny.

It's even more funny when such CRT is not accepted.

It has nothing to do with scaring anyone. The whole arguments ive received are about what a word means, and a complete disregard to the evidence I bring forward.

If the arguments work in favor of the CRT fantastic, if it don't then I would've been proven wrong. Its about the arguments and evidence brought forward.

But im not going to continue typing when a discussion isnt going anywhere.

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

Yes, you expect people to behave politely and at the same time you provoke them.

Well, that’s basically his full-time job — though he never acts like this when it comes to the MKG downgrade thread

 

[CodeCCLL]

Tensura is NOT a multiverse! (Tensura cosmology downgrade) FINAL CONCLUSIONS!

I am going to summarize my arguments from this CRT into conclusions. https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensura-is-not-a-multiverse-tensura-cosmology-downgrade.181366/ The Conclusion Timelines/Cycles. The main Opposition for the 2A infinite timeline arguments are from Feldway...

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@PrimeHydra64
Great introductory comment, there a few more arguments worth mentioning, but other than that, you seem to have put all the proofs together nicely.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Just a reminder that there two other threads that are not yet done

Tensura Abilities Addition and revision of energy system

Abilities' additions (note all have been translated by wiki TL team) Resistance to void Manipulation for demons No life can survive in this Hell. It was true nothingness", something that causes even "souls" to be annihilated and turned into energy. The only ones who can endure this hell are...

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[TheHyperGuy]

Are anyone of you planning a will of god/all in one crt?

 

[Lycoris4812]

Are anyone of you planning a will of god/all in one crt?

About what.

 

[SweetDao]

Are anyone of you planning a will of god/all in one crt?

Tier 0 on the wayyyyyyyyyy