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Intro
This thread is going to revisit a topic, which now seems to have more support, if accepted the world creator hierarchy page will be updated.
First off however, we need to remove this statement below from Quasi-Omnipotent beings
[Fumu fumu, after you encounter them and talk with them, they would go out and have a meal together… But, isn’t that how it normally is? I mean, even if you don’t have that Afexion or anything like that, isn’t that how it normally ends?]
[No, it seems like that isn’t where it ends… it seems like after you accumulated enough affection, you can receive a powerful weapon or an item that’s useful for your adventures.]
[After you get along and fall in love in another world, you get a weapon from your partner!? Not like an accessory or something like that?]
[Yes, it seems like monsters appear in the 2-D world, so it might have been a pretty harsh place to live in.]
[I- Is that so… So there are also monsters in the other world.]
At this point, if someone from another world had heard them, there would have been lots of points that they had tsukkomi’d about. First of all, she had only read all the things related to the word “love” from that person’s mind, and yet, there’s a fatal flaw from the information given by Shallow Vernal, someone who looks at everything equally.
That’s right, she only perceives the 2-D game world and the real 3-D world as the same, and since she has only extracted the necessary information, without caring about the quality of each information, depending on who hears it, they may only get severely one-sided information from her.
Unfortunately though, there is no one here who can correct them.-Chapter 34
[No, it seems like that isn’t where it ends… it seems like after you accumulated enough affection, you can receive a powerful weapon or an item that’s useful for your adventures.]
[After you get along and fall in love in another world, you get a weapon from your partner!? Not like an accessory or something like that?]
[Yes, it seems like monsters appear in the 2-D world, so it might have been a pretty harsh place to live in.]
[I- Is that so… So there are also monsters in the other world.]
At this point, if someone from another world had heard them, there would have been lots of points that they had tsukkomi’d about. First of all, she had only read all the things related to the word “love” from that person’s mind, and yet, there’s a fatal flaw from the information given by Shallow Vernal, someone who looks at everything equally.
That’s right, she only perceives the 2-D game world and the real 3-D world as the same, and since she has only extracted the necessary information, without caring about the quality of each information, depending on who hears it, they may only get severely one-sided information from her.
Unfortunately though, there is no one here who can correct them.-Chapter 34
The context here isn't that Shiro literally sees 2-D and 3-D as the same, but that she only extracted the necessary information about the 2-D world without caring about the quality of the information, thus both Shiro and Kuro misunderstand the 2-D/game world, seeing them as the same as 3-D.
Quasi-Omnipotence/Temporal Dimensions
From the WC Hierarchy page which has information which has been accepted in multiple CRT's, we know a few things about Quasi-Omnipotent beings:
- There is a clear and cruel difference in rank between a world’s creator and their creations
- A World Creator's power is different from their creations to such an extent that their creation taking that power into themselves would result in their very existence being erased
- The Realm of World Creators, transcends time and space itself
- Time and causality are linked, and by manipulating the law of causality, Eden also manipulated multiple dimensions, proving the existence of temporal dimensions
- Kuro who is a WC couldn't instantly travel between worlds and dimensions, when worlds have in the same fight been shown to be entire infinite universes, meaning dimensions don't refer to universes, and with the previous example of a being on Kuro's level manipulating multiple temporal dimensions, dimensions in context obviously means temporal dimensions, which Kuro later destroys several of these.
Higher Dimensions
The first explicit statement of higher dimensions came in the explanation about Shiro's power, The Epilogue
A certain being appeared out of nowhere in one of the many worlds. At first, it did not take any action, continuously staring at the world… before without rhyme nor reason, it brought the world to its end.
The information about this being was passed on to the creators of many worlds by a god with the power called omniscient… but at that time, it was not perceived as a threat.
Because for most of the creators of worlds, erasing a single world is not an impossible task. For those who exist outside the scope of logic… there is nothing noteworthy about omnipotent beings, beings that exceed omnipotence, being that cannot even be described by the word infinite, and beings that can freely create higher dimensions.
They could easily deal with her… at that time… that was what they thought.
Omnipotent beings, beings that exceed omnipotence, beings that cannot even be described by the word infinite, and even those beings that can create higher dimensions at will… Their worlds were brought to an end and they disappeared.-Chapter 575
The information about this being was passed on to the creators of many worlds by a god with the power called omniscient… but at that time, it was not perceived as a threat.
Because for most of the creators of worlds, erasing a single world is not an impossible task. For those who exist outside the scope of logic… there is nothing noteworthy about omnipotent beings, beings that exceed omnipotence, being that cannot even be described by the word infinite, and beings that can freely create higher dimensions.
They could easily deal with her… at that time… that was what they thought.
Omnipotent beings, beings that exceed omnipotence, beings that cannot even be described by the word infinite, and even those beings that can create higher dimensions at will… Their worlds were brought to an end and they disappeared.-Chapter 575
The WC's of many worlds initially didn't consider Shiro a threat because there is nothing noteworthy about omnipotent beings, beings that exceed omnipotence, being that cannot even be described by the word infinite, and beings that can freely create higher dimensions. In other words many beings exist that can create higher dimensions.
It's also interesting how in this statement higher dimensions comes at the very end, after describing beings who the world infinite can't describe, this could be interpreted as higher dimensions being above infinity.
Quasi-Omnipotent beings already have feats of creating/destroying temporal dimensions so this isn't surprising, but even looking at the WC hierarchy, once you reach Omnipotent and Omniscient, fights last a long time, with the exception of outliers like Shiro, and Kuro, and beings like Tiana
[There are a lot of World Creators, right… So within those World Creators, how strong is Makina?]
[Hmmm.]
When Alice, curious about the other World Creators, asked, Makina brought her hand on her chin and groaned.
[…That’s a tough question. In the first place, there are hardly any fights occurring between those who were Beyond Omniscience and Omnipotent. At that level, even if we do fight, it would be rare for a decisive outcome to occur. At any rate, it would be just like a game of rock-paper-scissors, where one may be stronger than this, but weaker than that, and when they really do battle, they’ll be fighting each other for tens or hundreds of thousands of years… Thus, unless there’s a really good reason, we try to avoid fighting as much as possible.]
[I see, when the Six Kings seriously fight against each other, it certainly takes quite a few years, and if it were a fight of a higher class, the scale would be even greater.]
[Unnn. A battle between two Omniscient and Omnipotent beings would basically just be a battle of endurance. They fight for a certain amount of time, and then, they’d make a contract with each other and call a truce. I’m stronger than Omniscient and Omnipotent beings, so I can beat most of them if we fight… But even if that’s so, I really don’t want to fight because it would take an inordinate amount of time. On the other hand, those who have the power to quickly settle the battles, which would normally take an enormous amount of time, are clearly superior to the rest.]-Chapter 938
[Hmmm.]
When Alice, curious about the other World Creators, asked, Makina brought her hand on her chin and groaned.
[…That’s a tough question. In the first place, there are hardly any fights occurring between those who were Beyond Omniscience and Omnipotent. At that level, even if we do fight, it would be rare for a decisive outcome to occur. At any rate, it would be just like a game of rock-paper-scissors, where one may be stronger than this, but weaker than that, and when they really do battle, they’ll be fighting each other for tens or hundreds of thousands of years… Thus, unless there’s a really good reason, we try to avoid fighting as much as possible.]
[I see, when the Six Kings seriously fight against each other, it certainly takes quite a few years, and if it were a fight of a higher class, the scale would be even greater.]
[Unnn. A battle between two Omniscient and Omnipotent beings would basically just be a battle of endurance. They fight for a certain amount of time, and then, they’d make a contract with each other and call a truce. I’m stronger than Omniscient and Omnipotent beings, so I can beat most of them if we fight… But even if that’s so, I really don’t want to fight because it would take an inordinate amount of time. On the other hand, those who have the power to quickly settle the battles, which would normally take an enormous amount of time, are clearly superior to the rest.]-Chapter 938
So even lowballing excluding the outliers, Omniscient and Omnipotent beings would be the ones who can feely create higher dimensions, but imo since temporal dimensions are already a thing at Quasi-Omnipotent level, I feel this statement should apply to that level as well.
Lets next get into what exactly higher dimensions are in this verse. We could first off go back to the statement about how even beings who can create higher dimensions, as in that being the greatest thing in that entire statement which includes infinity, were ended by Shiro, to mean higher dimensions>infinity, this seems like a valid interpretation to me.
We can next go into further descriptions about higher dimensions such as with Tiana, who is much more powerful than everyone else because she is higher dimensional in comparison to them. First statements about her strength is that she is the strongest excluding the outliers, she uses brute force and ignoring everything; physical defense, conceptual defense, spatial warping, dimensional isolation, anti-omnipotence defenses etc
『I acknowledge that but still, outputting resistance… <I know! If it were any other time, I’d have just brought some sweets and gone to see her!!! ∇∮◆￡ is kind and laid-back, but when that switch of hers gets flipped, she’s more barbaric than a wild monkey on an uncharted planet!! She’ll definitely hit me!!>… Therefore, I resolutely refuse to meet her.』
As soon as Canalis mentioned it, Electrone outright rejected the idea. Seeing this reaction, Canalis thought “Yeah, I get you”, but still pressed on.
[W- Well, if that happens, you can just run away, right…?]
『Proposing an impossible action is not constructive. Counterargument output… <Right back at you! Why don’t you run away before ∇∮◆￡ beats you up, Canalis?>… End of response.』
[Tahaa~ If I could, I wouldn’t be troubled like this… I mean, ∇∮◆￡… she’s too strong.]
『Agreeing while reinforcing resistance… <Exactly! She’s crazy strong!!! Leaving aside exceptions like Nebula-sama and Shallow Vernal, she’s possibly the strongest, isn’t she?! And she always brute-forces her way through everything! Physical defense, conceptual defense, spatial warping, dimensional isolation, anti-omnipotence defenses… none of it matters! She’ll just break through everything and punch you!!!>… I recognize that, aside from Nebula-sama and Shallow Vernal, Bipolar God is the strongest. Therefore, escape is impossible.』
Yes, the one they were referring to, ∇∮◆￡, known as Bipolar God… was so powerful that even Omniscient and Omnipotent beings acknowledged her ridiculous strength.
If the topic of the strongest among the World Creators came up, excluding the obvious exceptions of Nebula and Shallow Vernal, ∇∮◆￡ was always one of the top candidates.-Chapter 2189
As soon as Canalis mentioned it, Electrone outright rejected the idea. Seeing this reaction, Canalis thought “Yeah, I get you”, but still pressed on.
[W- Well, if that happens, you can just run away, right…?]
『Proposing an impossible action is not constructive. Counterargument output… <Right back at you! Why don’t you run away before ∇∮◆￡ beats you up, Canalis?>… End of response.』
[Tahaa~ If I could, I wouldn’t be troubled like this… I mean, ∇∮◆￡… she’s too strong.]
『Agreeing while reinforcing resistance… <Exactly! She’s crazy strong!!! Leaving aside exceptions like Nebula-sama and Shallow Vernal, she’s possibly the strongest, isn’t she?! And she always brute-forces her way through everything! Physical defense, conceptual defense, spatial warping, dimensional isolation, anti-omnipotence defenses… none of it matters! She’ll just break through everything and punch you!!!>… I recognize that, aside from Nebula-sama and Shallow Vernal, Bipolar God is the strongest. Therefore, escape is impossible.』
Yes, the one they were referring to, ∇∮◆￡, known as Bipolar God… was so powerful that even Omniscient and Omnipotent beings acknowledged her ridiculous strength.
If the topic of the strongest among the World Creators came up, excluding the obvious exceptions of Nebula and Shallow Vernal, ∇∮◆￡ was always one of the top candidates.-Chapter 2189
Next we learn that Tiana is from a higher dimension than Shiro or Makina's world. Just as two-dimensional beings cannot perceive the third dimension, beings like Tiana from a higher dimension cannot be recognized by the inhabitants Trinia in terms of form or voice.
With a gentle smile, ∇∮◆￡ responded to Nebula’s words. Though she could turn into a berserker when consumed by jealousy, her usual personality was extremely gentle and relaxed, with an air of calmness that made her seem like a rather mild-mannered woman.
Seeing ∇∮◆￡ like that, Nebula suddenly seemed to remember something and spoke up.
[Now that I think about it, your world exists on a much higher dimensional level than this one or Milord’s world. Is everything okay in terms of adjustment?]
[Yes. As you might imagine, it was a bit tricky. I managed to adjust my appearance like this, but the real problem was my name…… Since I exist in a higher dimension, the people living in this world wouldn’t be able to perceive it as language.]
[That’s true. Everyone has some degree of cognitive compensation, so it would likely be perceived as an extremely high or low, strange sound.]
∇∮◆￡ was a being from a far higher dimension than this one. Just as two-dimensional beings cannot perceive the third dimension, beings like ∇∮◆￡ from a higher dimension cannot be recognized by the inhabitants of this world in terms of form or voice.
Of course, beings such as Shallow Vernal or Kuromueina, who can perceive or even interfere with higher dimensions, could see and hear ∇∮◆￡, but ordinarily, that would be impossible.
Thanks to the brain’s compensation mechanisms, ∇∮◆￡ might be perceived as a grotesque monster with an unpleasant, strange voice, but such interpretations would make actual conversation impossible. That’s why ∇∮◆￡ had adjusted her body and language functions to enter this world. However, her name remained a problem. It simply couldn’t be rendered properly here, so she was planning a separate solution for that.
[Yes, that's why I came up with a name suited for this world so I could introduce myself to Kaito-sama. In this world, I go by the name "Tiana".]
[I see. Then, while we're meeting in this world, I shall address you as Tiana-san.]-Chapter 2236
[Yes.]
Seeing ∇∮◆￡ like that, Nebula suddenly seemed to remember something and spoke up.
[Now that I think about it, your world exists on a much higher dimensional level than this one or Milord’s world. Is everything okay in terms of adjustment?]
[Yes. As you might imagine, it was a bit tricky. I managed to adjust my appearance like this, but the real problem was my name…… Since I exist in a higher dimension, the people living in this world wouldn’t be able to perceive it as language.]
[That’s true. Everyone has some degree of cognitive compensation, so it would likely be perceived as an extremely high or low, strange sound.]
∇∮◆￡ was a being from a far higher dimension than this one. Just as two-dimensional beings cannot perceive the third dimension, beings like ∇∮◆￡ from a higher dimension cannot be recognized by the inhabitants of this world in terms of form or voice.
Of course, beings such as Shallow Vernal or Kuromueina, who can perceive or even interfere with higher dimensions, could see and hear ∇∮◆￡, but ordinarily, that would be impossible.
Thanks to the brain’s compensation mechanisms, ∇∮◆￡ might be perceived as a grotesque monster with an unpleasant, strange voice, but such interpretations would make actual conversation impossible. That’s why ∇∮◆￡ had adjusted her body and language functions to enter this world. However, her name remained a problem. It simply couldn’t be rendered properly here, so she was planning a separate solution for that.
[Yes, that's why I came up with a name suited for this world so I could introduce myself to Kaito-sama. In this world, I go by the name "Tiana".]
[I see. Then, while we're meeting in this world, I shall address you as Tiana-san.]-Chapter 2236
[Yes.]
So in verse a higher dimensional being ignores all the abilities of lower dimensional beings, and can't be perceived by a lower dimensional being, and it's also interesting how its stated here that Kuro and Shiro (who are now Omnipotent), can perceive and even interfere with higher dimensions
Trinia (7th Dimensional)
The world Shiro created, Trinia, is stated to be small compared to other worlds
When I suggested so, Lilia-san shyly held out her hand. Thereupon, holding her hand with our fingers entwining with each other, we moved through a special means of teleportation under the operation of Lilia-san.
The place we arrived at after teleporting was, how should I say this… It was like a huge building of the modern era. It looked like a warehouse and had no decoration at all, but it had quite the outrageous size, seemingly at least 100 meters high. As for how wide it was though, it was hard to tell how vast it was at a glance.
[…This place’s huge.]
[Other worlds must have lots of Colossal-type Dragons after all. From what Eden-sama explained to me, there are apparently hundreds of these storage-like structures in existence here.]
[Eh? There are hundreds of buildings this size? That’s kinda amazing… Ahh, but if this world really has life-sized models of all Dragons in several worlds, I guess you would need that much huh.]
The world Shiro-san created, Trinia, was apparently quite small for a world. On the other hand, Eden-san’s world, including the universe our planet was in, is extremely vast, and just collecting all the creatures that resemble dragons would make her gather quite the amount. Since the size of each world is quite different, I think there must be a considerable number of models here.-Chapter 1614
The place we arrived at after teleporting was, how should I say this… It was like a huge building of the modern era. It looked like a warehouse and had no decoration at all, but it had quite the outrageous size, seemingly at least 100 meters high. As for how wide it was though, it was hard to tell how vast it was at a glance.
[…This place’s huge.]
[Other worlds must have lots of Colossal-type Dragons after all. From what Eden-sama explained to me, there are apparently hundreds of these storage-like structures in existence here.]
[Eh? There are hundreds of buildings this size? That’s kinda amazing… Ahh, but if this world really has life-sized models of all Dragons in several worlds, I guess you would need that much huh.]
The world Shiro-san created, Trinia, was apparently quite small for a world. On the other hand, Eden-san’s world, including the universe our planet was in, is extremely vast, and just collecting all the creatures that resemble dragons would make her gather quite the amount. Since the size of each world is quite different, I think there must be a considerable number of models here.-Chapter 1614
Trinia being small is also why Omnipotent and Omniscient beings like Makina can't enter Trinia without downgrading their abilities
[—-What is this presence!?]
The two were conversing peacefully, when their expressions suddenly changed and they looked out of the window with pale faces. What they felt just now was a presence so foreign to their senses.
For a moment, they felt as if the world itself had been shaken… and yet, they didn’t feel any hint of magic power at all. They can only describe what they felt as the appearance of some foreign presence. Moreover, it had only appeared momentarily, soon vanishing as if nothing had happened.
[…That was the first time I’ve felt something like that. What was that just now?]
[I don’t know. It’s just, how should I say this… I wonder why I feel strangely anxious…]
Muttering with anxious expressions on their faces, the two looked out of the window for a while.
On the edge of Hydra Kingdom’s royal capital, in a small, unpopular plaza… There appeared a being who had let out a sigh.
[…Haahhh… Geez, this world is so small. Even though I had already restrained it quite a bit, the pressure of my existence is still causing distortions… It would be great if Shallow Vernal didn’t spout complaints… No, in the first place, me coming here is because of Shallow Vernal… Haahhh… Why am I the one doing this…]
Moving her one mechanical wing, the being that appeared… the God of another world, Makina, let out a sigh. Then, with a flicker of a gaze, she looked disinterestedly at the Gods who were looking at her from a distance.
[…God of Life, I know you understand this already, but that’s impossible, okay? Even with my power, she’s a completely unbeatable opponent…]
[Yes, I’ve temporarily left Shallow Vernal-sama’s support to God of Time and Space, having the others come here… but she isn’t an opponent whose numbers have any meaning.]-Chapter 1718
The two were conversing peacefully, when their expressions suddenly changed and they looked out of the window with pale faces. What they felt just now was a presence so foreign to their senses.
For a moment, they felt as if the world itself had been shaken… and yet, they didn’t feel any hint of magic power at all. They can only describe what they felt as the appearance of some foreign presence. Moreover, it had only appeared momentarily, soon vanishing as if nothing had happened.
[…That was the first time I’ve felt something like that. What was that just now?]
[I don’t know. It’s just, how should I say this… I wonder why I feel strangely anxious…]
Muttering with anxious expressions on their faces, the two looked out of the window for a while.
On the edge of Hydra Kingdom’s royal capital, in a small, unpopular plaza… There appeared a being who had let out a sigh.
[…Haahhh… Geez, this world is so small. Even though I had already restrained it quite a bit, the pressure of my existence is still causing distortions… It would be great if Shallow Vernal didn’t spout complaints… No, in the first place, me coming here is because of Shallow Vernal… Haahhh… Why am I the one doing this…]
Moving her one mechanical wing, the being that appeared… the God of another world, Makina, let out a sigh. Then, with a flicker of a gaze, she looked disinterestedly at the Gods who were looking at her from a distance.
[…God of Life, I know you understand this already, but that’s impossible, okay? Even with my power, she’s a completely unbeatable opponent…]
[Yes, I’ve temporarily left Shallow Vernal-sama’s support to God of Time and Space, having the others come here… but she isn’t an opponent whose numbers have any meaning.]-Chapter 1718
Despite being repeatedly stated to be small Trinia has a spatial axis, which can be used to restrain Quasi-Omnipotent beings
That’s no different from a hundred, oi……]
For a moment, I thought they were having a nice talk, but it seems like Fate-san was being the usual, and the reason why she passed this to Alice was that it was too troublesome. Well, even though she has changed in many ways, Fate-san is still Fate-san, and the way she looks at troublesome things.
[And so, Kurorin. There you go, Shalltear will give you a transcendentally amazing answer after all.]
[I understand! Then, Shalltear, please give me the transcendentally amazing answer.]
[……Fuu…… Fufufu…… Hahaha…… I see…… If things are gonna go that way, then I also have my own ideas in mind.]
[……Ahh~~ O- On second thought, I’ll just answer it myself……]
[……Ah, I- I guess I also went too far with the joke…… For the time being, Shalltear…… Let’s put down that dagger with a tremendous amount of magic power……]
It might be just my imagination, but I felt like I heard the sound of something popping. And then, seeing the dagger that Alice took out of nowhere, Kuro and Fate-san’s faces turned pale.
[Authority Activated. Limited Loan Request…… Codename: Abyss Tartarus.]
[……Ahh, I can’t move…… The whole spatial axis is restrained. Fate-chan, this is probably gonna be bad, right?]
[I feel like something omnipotent is coming…… Shall-tan had such a hidden card huh……]
[This presence…… I remember sensing that from that battle in the God Realm…… Magnawell’s clone, this…… Is it possible that Shalltear is on good terms with Earth God?]
[Hmmm, I can’t imagine that monster God getting along with people from outside her world…… But it’s Shalltear after all. She must have done something amazing to achieve that.]-Chapter 1504
For a moment, I thought they were having a nice talk, but it seems like Fate-san was being the usual, and the reason why she passed this to Alice was that it was too troublesome. Well, even though she has changed in many ways, Fate-san is still Fate-san, and the way she looks at troublesome things.
[And so, Kurorin. There you go, Shalltear will give you a transcendentally amazing answer after all.]
[I understand! Then, Shalltear, please give me the transcendentally amazing answer.]
[……Fuu…… Fufufu…… Hahaha…… I see…… If things are gonna go that way, then I also have my own ideas in mind.]
[……Ahh~~ O- On second thought, I’ll just answer it myself……]
[……Ah, I- I guess I also went too far with the joke…… For the time being, Shalltear…… Let’s put down that dagger with a tremendous amount of magic power……]
It might be just my imagination, but I felt like I heard the sound of something popping. And then, seeing the dagger that Alice took out of nowhere, Kuro and Fate-san’s faces turned pale.
[Authority Activated. Limited Loan Request…… Codename: Abyss Tartarus.]
[……Ahh, I can’t move…… The whole spatial axis is restrained. Fate-chan, this is probably gonna be bad, right?]
[I feel like something omnipotent is coming…… Shall-tan had such a hidden card huh……]
[This presence…… I remember sensing that from that battle in the God Realm…… Magnawell’s clone, this…… Is it possible that Shalltear is on good terms with Earth God?]
[Hmmm, I can’t imagine that monster God getting along with people from outside her world…… But it’s Shalltear after all. She must have done something amazing to achieve that.]-Chapter 1504
Again Quasi-Omnipotent beings transcend time and space, can creating and destroy temporal axis etc, for there to be a spatial axis which can restrain them would necessarily make it a higher dimensional axis.
With all this established I can start getting into the meat of this thread.
Infinite Dimensional Omnipotent and Up
Courtesy of SeijiSetto for these translations.
This first statement adds on to the higher dimensional statements. In verse a multi-dimensional collapsing kick is ranked above a composite world-shredding chop
"It's so good. It's the best thing I've ever eaten until now!"
"Hey, isn't that praise a little over-the-top...?"
Canalis cried tears of joy as she praised the food, and Nepyura gave a bitter smile while calling it excessive. However, for Canalis, who deeply respects Nepyura from the bottom of her heart, being fed by the woman herself was an excess of the spice called happiness, and calling it the best taste ever would not be an exaggeration.
For Canalis, this moment was truly the peak of happiness... At the same time, it was also the moment that later on, gods she knew who had gone mad with jealousy would decide to use the "Composite World-Shredding Chop" on her.
Makina: "By the way, it seems like the power ranking is Galaxy-Annihilating Punch < Composite World-Shredding Chop < Multi-Dimensional Collapsing Kick."
Sirius-senpai: "To eat that hit and just feel pain is truly omnipotent..."
-Chapter 2066
"Hey, isn't that praise a little over-the-top...?"
Canalis cried tears of joy as she praised the food, and Nepyura gave a bitter smile while calling it excessive. However, for Canalis, who deeply respects Nepyura from the bottom of her heart, being fed by the woman herself was an excess of the spice called happiness, and calling it the best taste ever would not be an exaggeration.
For Canalis, this moment was truly the peak of happiness... At the same time, it was also the moment that later on, gods she knew who had gone mad with jealousy would decide to use the "Composite World-Shredding Chop" on her.
Makina: "By the way, it seems like the power ranking is Galaxy-Annihilating Punch < Composite World-Shredding Chop < Multi-Dimensional Collapsing Kick."
Sirius-senpai: "To eat that hit and just feel pain is truly omnipotent..."
-Chapter 2066
The original translation referred to composite world-shredding chop, as multiversal chop
[That might be a bit of an exaggeration…]
Nebula chuckled, finding Canalis’s reaction a bit over-the-top. However, for Canalis, who revered Nebula deeply, the act of Nebula feeding her was an experience sprinkled with the spice of happiness, elevating the taste to the peak of perfection.
For Canalis, this was a moment of pure bliss… but at the same time, it marked the inevitable moment when her God acquaintances, overcome by jealousy, would later unleash her way the “Multiversal Rift Chop”.
<Afterword>
Makina : [By the way, I heard the power ranking goes something like: Universe Annihilation Punch < Multiversal Rift Chop < Multidimensional Collapse Kick.]
Serious-senpai : [To take that and only feel pain… I guess that’s just what you’d expect from someone called Omnipotent…]-Chapter 2066
Nebula chuckled, finding Canalis’s reaction a bit over-the-top. However, for Canalis, who revered Nebula deeply, the act of Nebula feeding her was an experience sprinkled with the spice of happiness, elevating the taste to the peak of perfection.
For Canalis, this was a moment of pure bliss… but at the same time, it marked the inevitable moment when her God acquaintances, overcome by jealousy, would later unleash her way the “Multiversal Rift Chop”.
<Afterword>
Makina : [By the way, I heard the power ranking goes something like: Universe Annihilation Punch < Multiversal Rift Chop < Multidimensional Collapse Kick.]
Serious-senpai : [To take that and only feel pain… I guess that’s just what you’d expect from someone called Omnipotent…]-Chapter 2066
Either way I think multiversal and composite world has the same meaning here, so multi-dimensional is something above that, would mean higher dimensional imo, especially as we have seen far weaker beings like Eden manipulating multiple temporal dimensions.
So, so far we have established higher/temporal dimensions are a thing, and a world such as Trinia which has 7 dimensions, is small in comparison to other worlds. Next we can get into the size of those other worlds.
While explaining the Epilogue, Makina mentions a being that exists in an infinite multidimension multiverse
Alice couldn't hide her shock at how easily Eden, the peak of the world, admitted she was inferior to Shallow Vernal.
"With her sudden appearance in the world, she drew the curtain on its story. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. The phenomenon called 'Shallow Vernal'."
"Phenomenon?"
"I'll explain it in easier terms."
Saying that, Eden made a book appear and quickly opened it, showing it to Alice. Drawn on the page was something like a universe.
"For example, the existence on this page... Let's say it exists as infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional multiverse, and possesses abilities beyond even omnipotence and omniscience. A single breath can erase galaxies, and a simple wave of its hand would eradicate the universe. How would you defeat something like that?"
"An infinite omnipotent being, huh... Honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'd defeat it by stripping it of its power? But it'd probably just make up for that somehow... Even more than infinite power, killing all of them at the same time is impossible. Or rather, is killing it even possible at all?"
"At the very least, I couldn't win. If it was Shallow Vernal, however... well, it'd be easy. Just like this."
Eden finishes her sentence, and simply closes the book.
"That is Shallow Vernal's power. 'To end a story'... ending things exactly as they are. An omnipotent and omniscient being would be defeated as just that. An existence across infinite dimensions, surpassing even omnipotence and omniscience, would be ended exactly as that."
-Chapter 547
"With her sudden appearance in the world, she drew the curtain on its story. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. The phenomenon called 'Shallow Vernal'."
"Phenomenon?"
"I'll explain it in easier terms."
Saying that, Eden made a book appear and quickly opened it, showing it to Alice. Drawn on the page was something like a universe.
"For example, the existence on this page... Let's say it exists as infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional multiverse, and possesses abilities beyond even omnipotence and omniscience. A single breath can erase galaxies, and a simple wave of its hand would eradicate the universe. How would you defeat something like that?"
"An infinite omnipotent being, huh... Honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'd defeat it by stripping it of its power? But it'd probably just make up for that somehow... Even more than infinite power, killing all of them at the same time is impossible. Or rather, is killing it even possible at all?"
"At the very least, I couldn't win. If it was Shallow Vernal, however... well, it'd be easy. Just like this."
Eden finishes her sentence, and simply closes the book.
"That is Shallow Vernal's power. 'To end a story'... ending things exactly as they are. An omnipotent and omniscient being would be defeated as just that. An existence across infinite dimensions, surpassing even omnipotence and omniscience, would be ended exactly as that."
-Chapter 547
With the previously established context of multi-dimensional referring to temporal dimensions/higher dimensions, there being an infinite multidimensional multiverse, would necessarily equate to meaning there are an infinite number of higher/temporal dimensions, it's even stated here that this being existed across infinite dimensions.
This being is later brought back up again when Makina was explaining to Alice what she did after the two of them parted. Makina went travelled to different worlds, learning about her powers, and ended up fighting their creators, which brings us back to the previously mentioned being, they are the creator of the "infinite multi-dimensional universe", and Makina stalemated them
"Ah, speaking of, I had lots of things explained to me on the way here, it seems like you're carrying around a lot of dangerous iron balls. Do you plan on starting a war?"
"You mean Tartarus? No, that's not starting a war... I'm just 're-using leftovers'. That's all."
"Hm?"
"It's a story from before I created my own world. After I parted ways with Alice, I went around to various worlds, studying and increasing my power as a god. But it's not like everything went peacefully. Sometimes I had to fight the creators of the worlds. Because I was pretty strong, usually I had no trouble winning but just once... I had to fight an 'unbearably strong opponent'."
Lightly brushing her cheek with her finger, Makina had a worn-out bitter smile on her face as she thought back to that time.
"See, it's the same person I used as an example when I was explaining Shallow Vernal's power to Alice."
"The being across infinite identical existence across an infinite multidimensional universe, with power beyond omnipotence and omniscience?"
"Yes, exactly. That person was far and away the strongest opponent I've ever fought. To combat their infinite identical existences, I created my own 'endless omnipotent soldiers'. But in the end, it never concluded..."-Chapter 760
"You mean Tartarus? No, that's not starting a war... I'm just 're-using leftovers'. That's all."
"Hm?"
"It's a story from before I created my own world. After I parted ways with Alice, I went around to various worlds, studying and increasing my power as a god. But it's not like everything went peacefully. Sometimes I had to fight the creators of the worlds. Because I was pretty strong, usually I had no trouble winning but just once... I had to fight an 'unbearably strong opponent'."
Lightly brushing her cheek with her finger, Makina had a worn-out bitter smile on her face as she thought back to that time.
"See, it's the same person I used as an example when I was explaining Shallow Vernal's power to Alice."
"The being across infinite identical existence across an infinite multidimensional universe, with power beyond omnipotence and omniscience?"
"Yes, exactly. That person was far and away the strongest opponent I've ever fought. To combat their infinite identical existences, I created my own 'endless omnipotent soldiers'. But in the end, it never concluded..."-Chapter 760
With all this I believe Omnipotent and Omniscient beings are Infinite Dimensional. In terms of Omnipotent beings, thinking of where to scale them, looking at Makina vs her rival fight Makina creating her infinite army of Omnipotent beings to combat her rival, since Makina's rival existed across infinite dimensions, and each being was identical to the other, this makes sense why Makina would need an army of her own, even if she herself was individually stronger than 1 or multiple of them, there was literally an infinite number. Omnipotent beings being able to cope with the identical beings would necessarily make then Infinite Dimensional as well I think.
Tiana
Already posted some stuff about her previously, but in addition its stated she is a being of exceeding high dimension even among the countless worlds, which makes her the strongest excluding outliers
<Afterword>
<Bipolar God Tiana>
A being of an exceedingly high dimension, even among the countless worlds. With rare exceptions (such as Epilogue), the laws and abilities of lower dimensions hold no sway over Tiana, she can ignore and nullify all such principles at will.
Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia, a lower-dimensional world, would be unable to perceive Tiana's form or comprehend her language. However, she has adjusted herself for visitation…… to put it simply, she's like something out of Godzilla: Singular Point.
In principle, lower dimension beings cannot possibly contend with Tiana on equal footing…… However, Makina stands as a special case. Her true body exists in a space that does not belong to any dimensional stratum and cannot be reached by anyone, not even herself, without the key possessed by Alice. Due to this overwhelming paradox, she possesses a level of immortality that ranks among the greatest of the World Creators, and as such, there exists a slight possibility that her battling Tiana is viable. Even so, given Tiana's absurdly high base combat power, Makina remains at a distinct disadvantage.-Chapter 2236
<Bipolar God Tiana>
A being of an exceedingly high dimension, even among the countless worlds. With rare exceptions (such as Epilogue), the laws and abilities of lower dimensions hold no sway over Tiana, she can ignore and nullify all such principles at will.
Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia, a lower-dimensional world, would be unable to perceive Tiana's form or comprehend her language. However, she has adjusted herself for visitation…… to put it simply, she's like something out of Godzilla: Singular Point.
In principle, lower dimension beings cannot possibly contend with Tiana on equal footing…… However, Makina stands as a special case. Her true body exists in a space that does not belong to any dimensional stratum and cannot be reached by anyone, not even herself, without the key possessed by Alice. Due to this overwhelming paradox, she possesses a level of immortality that ranks among the greatest of the World Creators, and as such, there exists a slight possibility that her battling Tiana is viable. Even so, given Tiana's absurdly high base combat power, Makina remains at a distinct disadvantage.-Chapter 2236
So if Makina is Infinite Dimensional, Tiana has far more dimensions than her. The strength scaling also shows her being far superior to Makina
<Afterword>
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi-Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):
Shallow Vernal (Exception)
Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇∮◆￡ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth’s God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (※She’s still not Quasi-Omnipotent).-Chapter 2190
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi-Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):
Shallow Vernal (Exception)
Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇∮◆￡ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth’s God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (※She’s still not Quasi-Omnipotent).-Chapter 2190
I am not sure exactly how High Hyperverse level+ works, could there be scaling above infinite dimensional without being high hyperverse level+? Does Tiana having far more dimensions than infinite dimensional beings necessarily make her high hyperverse level+? Not sure either way she is either At least High Hyperverse level or High Hyperverse level+.
Alice and Makina's reactive evolution might play a part in this too, where it's stated that Alice who at the time was 3-D, has infinite evolution and thus could eventually defeat Makina's True Body
[…If we just remove the hindrance of a referee, we could do all the irregularity we could think about after all.]
During her conversation with Eden, Alice had continued to strategize and had come up with several methods that would give her a high chance of winning. The one that would have the highest chance… Using Ἑκατόγχειρες’s Ultimate Battle Form to double the speed of the disarming the techniques used on the cradle.
However, Eden stopped her from doing so. She won’t allow her to interfere in Kaito’s battle…
[Yes, that’s right. Your Ἑκατόγχειρες Ultimate Battle Form gives you great power. Infinite growth and evolution… I see, with that, “you’ll eventually be able to win”. With that, “you can even win against my omniscient and omnipotent real body”…]
[What!? Don’t tell me…!?]
Immediately after hearing Eden’s words, feeling tremendous power, Alice looked up.
At the end of Alice’s gaze—— was a star. In the sky of the God Realm that has turned into night, there floats something with a nature that is too different to exist in the night sky… an iron star—— The omniscient and omnipotent Eden’s real body…
[Would you like to give it a try? Will you grow to be more powerful than the omniscient and omnipotent me, or will the match between my beloved child and Shallow Vernal end before you could… I think it’s a bad bet for you though. Ahh, I’ll have you know that my body obviously also has the ability to infinitely grow and evolve. It would be great if this doesn’t turn into a tug-of-war.]-Chapter 646
During her conversation with Eden, Alice had continued to strategize and had come up with several methods that would give her a high chance of winning. The one that would have the highest chance… Using Ἑκατόγχειρες’s Ultimate Battle Form to double the speed of the disarming the techniques used on the cradle.
However, Eden stopped her from doing so. She won’t allow her to interfere in Kaito’s battle…
[Yes, that’s right. Your Ἑκατόγχειρες Ultimate Battle Form gives you great power. Infinite growth and evolution… I see, with that, “you’ll eventually be able to win”. With that, “you can even win against my omniscient and omnipotent real body”…]
[What!? Don’t tell me…!?]
Immediately after hearing Eden’s words, feeling tremendous power, Alice looked up.
At the end of Alice’s gaze—— was a star. In the sky of the God Realm that has turned into night, there floats something with a nature that is too different to exist in the night sky… an iron star—— The omniscient and omnipotent Eden’s real body…
[Would you like to give it a try? Will you grow to be more powerful than the omniscient and omnipotent me, or will the match between my beloved child and Shallow Vernal end before you could… I think it’s a bad bet for you though. Ahh, I’ll have you know that my body obviously also has the ability to infinitely grow and evolve. It would be great if this doesn’t turn into a tug-of-war.]-Chapter 646
Alice using this ability in training went from 3-D to Quasi-Omnipotent level (6-D)
[…I see, it sure is a very powerful sword. Even if the opponent is one of the Six Kings, it has enough power to easily break through their defenses. Also, it seems that the effect is activated the moment you enter the attack stance.]
[Ah~~ Errr… You stopped it so easily though.]
[Well, this attack is just a seriously normal strike. It isn’t imbued with any special effects like Causality Disruption or anything. Frankly speaking, if the other Six Kings realize that your attacks are just this level, they’ll just decide to receive it. At this point, it’s just a power modifier… Count-ranks and above are essentially immortals, so unless you imbue your attacks with multitudes of enchantments like Recovery Obstruction, they’ll just regenerate the damage away.]
Even though she was praising the power of Lilia-san’s attack as being capable of inflicting damage even against the Six Kings, Alice caught it with one hand, and the expression on her face clearly showed that she was quite at ease.
[…I mean, even leaving that aside, doesn’t it seem like Alice got stronger?]
[Well, I’ve been training a lot recently, you know? To be honest, I’ve reached a point where I can have a good match against Kuro-san. And so, well, an attack of this level isn’t a problem. I did mention how Lilia-san’s current strike is at the limit of what she can achieve with her talent, but there are people in the world who surpass the limits of talent, and I am also an example of that. And so, if Lilia-san can go beyond the limits of her talent, she might be able to unleash even greater power. Well, she gotta train up to the limit of her talent first though.]-Chapter 1611
[Ah~~ Errr… You stopped it so easily though.]
[Well, this attack is just a seriously normal strike. It isn’t imbued with any special effects like Causality Disruption or anything. Frankly speaking, if the other Six Kings realize that your attacks are just this level, they’ll just decide to receive it. At this point, it’s just a power modifier… Count-ranks and above are essentially immortals, so unless you imbue your attacks with multitudes of enchantments like Recovery Obstruction, they’ll just regenerate the damage away.]
Even though she was praising the power of Lilia-san’s attack as being capable of inflicting damage even against the Six Kings, Alice caught it with one hand, and the expression on her face clearly showed that she was quite at ease.
[…I mean, even leaving that aside, doesn’t it seem like Alice got stronger?]
[Well, I’ve been training a lot recently, you know? To be honest, I’ve reached a point where I can have a good match against Kuro-san. And so, well, an attack of this level isn’t a problem. I did mention how Lilia-san’s current strike is at the limit of what she can achieve with her talent, but there are people in the world who surpass the limits of talent, and I am also an example of that. And so, if Lilia-san can go beyond the limits of her talent, she might be able to unleash even greater power. Well, she gotta train up to the limit of her talent first though.]-Chapter 1611
This was like some months of training with Makina, albeit Makina's dimension may have a different flow of time, but anyway this ability does allow for dimensional jumps and could eventually let Alice beat Makina's True Form, excluding her own RE, which means Alice could jump to infinite dimensional eventually.
Now if Makina has this same ability, but as shown previously, only has a slight possibly of beating Tiana does that prove, Tiana is infinitely above Makina? We know Makina's core exists beyond dimensional hierarchy's hence why Tiana can't kill her, pair that with Makina's RE explains why she has a slight chance of beating someone with far more dimensions than herself, so her RE isn't limited at infinite dimensional, the big thing here for me is the previous statements about Makina being stronger than other Omniscient and Omnipotent beings but still finding it a pain to fight them because the fight will last a while, like thousands of years, we know WC conclude their fights by signing contracts after fighting for a long time, so after a while of no one winning its likely they just do that, and end the fight, presuming it continues, seems likely imo Makina passing Tiana would take at minimum hundreds of thousands of years, and then maybe she could keep getting stronger, but how long will it take to reach infinitely above? Seems like a very long time. Overall don't think we should put much weight in this whole RE argument.
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