The Death of Mystery (Infinity in Type-Moon).

[Wankbreaker]

The idea of infinity not exactly existing within the verse was already part of an accepted thread, but I’ll tie it further into a more general application, to destroy the idea of the human order multiverse being tier 2. This hopefully is a more clear version of the last thread

As always,blame @SweetDao. I am a mere puppet controlled by him. (maybe )

I knew that much.

But this... I never could have anticipated.



They inundated Miyama Town in less than half an hour.

......For humanity, "infinite" is merely a metaphor.

No matter how vast, no matter how far beyond human reckoning—all things have limits.

"Infinite" is but a word born from the boundaries of cognizance.

Yet—

What stands before me now defies those very "things that are countless."

The narration does say THIS afterwards, but their numbers are confirmed in a previous scene by Shirou-Angra to be a 100 million. This is almost definitely intentional, to drive home the point of the previous paragraph.

They are true "infinity".

An endless chain of propagation.

An apocalyptic army doomed from the very moment of its inception.

A suicide circuit with no brake to halt its self-annihilation—unstoppable by any soul.

The earth buried beneath the end result of a mad ecosystem.

Infinity doesn’t exist in the truest sense of the word,but is used to explain things that are countless, things that are beyond the boundaries of someone’s current level of cognizance. This is especially highlighted with

“No matter how vast, no matter how far beyond human reckoning—all things have limits. “

This is even repeated in Case Files, somewhat. The possibilities that are assumed to be infinite are later clarified to be “countless” in reality.

“Even this universe cannot sustain an expansion into infinite possibilities. But the total number of them is not within the grasp of human beings. Therefore, we say that it is countless. And so perhaps the purpose of this being named Zepia is to limit the stage
and the people, and to reduce the scope of the possibilities we need to take into account.”

Something that is beyond the grasp of cognizance being called countless. Hmm, I wonder where this was stated before!



These parallel worlds also don’t even meet the size requirement for current Tier 2, as they are alternate versions of earth. The Moon Cell, which stores records of possibility data, only have alternate earths.

かつては『あらゆる願いを叶える願望機』を指した言葉だったが、EXTRAでは『ムーンセルの使用権』を示す。



膨大な地球のシミュレート記録を保管するムーンセルを閲覧すれば、そこにはかならず『貴方が望む未来の地球』が存在している。



ムーンセルを使える事になった『貴方』は、ただ一言、ムーンセルに告げればいい。



『この、私にとって理想の未来を再現しろ』と。



ムーンセルは速やかに地球をその未来のカタチに運んでいくだろう。そのための方法を、実行手段を、月はすべて識っているのだから。



例えば『地球人類の女の子ぜんぶワイの妹にしてほしい』と願えば、きっと十年ぐらいで地球はそのような社会形式になると思われる。



あるいは、その夢が『リアルに見られる』装置を作るため、地球全体がそのように運営される。



人間は人間が想像する範囲において、実現できないものはない。それがどのような幻想、絵空事であっても、体験する手段はあるのである。











Holy Grail



"Originally, this term referred to a 'wish-granting device that fulfills all desires,' but in EXTRA, it signifies the right to use the Moon Cell.



If you access the Moon Cell—which stores vast simulated records of Earth—you will inevitably find “the future Earth you desire “ existing within it.



As one who has gained the right of usage of the Moon Cell, you need only issue a single command: “Recreate this ideal future for me.”



The Moon Cell will swiftly steer Earth toward that future form. For the Moon knows all methods and means to achieve it.



For example, were you to wish, Make all the girls on Earth my little sisters, Earth would likely adopt such a societal structure within a decade.



Or, to create a device that lets you experience that dream in reality, the entire planet would be reorganized accordingly.



Within the scope of human imagination, nothing is unattainable. No matter how fantastical or delusional, there exists a means to experience it."

第二魔法は並行世界の証明と運用。

並行世界への移動を可能にした彼は“このように、世界には違う展開を迎える余地がある”事を証明した。

これのおかげで世界は寿命を延ばした。「我々の歴史は失敗し、自滅するが、他に成功した我々がいるかもしれない」という概念が、夢を失いつつあった星に希望を与えたからだ。

ゼルレッチの並行世界移動法は単純なもので、彼は違う時間軸の地球にある「宝石」に転移する。



The Second Magic is the affirmation and operation of parallel worlds.

He, who made movement to parallel worlds possible, proved that:

"In this way, there exists room for the world to welcome different developments." Thanks to this, the world prolonged its lifespan.

Because the concept that:

"Although our history may fail and self-destruct, there might exist other us-es who succeeded" gave hope to a planet that was losing its dreams. Zelretch's parallel world movement method is a simple one:

He transfers to "jewels" located on Earths in different timelines.

The parallel world system is sustained by the solar system, with a large amount of data volume meaning its destruction.

It's a very rough estimation, but should the Earth persist at its present level of civilization for another century, it's likely that the Solar System will collapse.







However, the reality is that we live and multiply. The Solar System hasn't yet dissolved before the sheer volume of data that we produce, and it's likely that the status quo can be sustained for another hundred million years.

TLDR?



Infinity doesn’t exist.



The parallel worlds don’t meet the size requirements.

They shouldn’t be tier 2.

 

[Robo432343]

i agree but what's the point in making this thread if the verse barely touches tier 5 and tier 2 is already removed from the profiles

with instant death the 'infinity doesn't exist' downgrade thread made sense because the tier 1/2 ratings were actually on the profiles...

 

[Wankbreaker]

i agree but what's the point in making this thread if the verse barely touches tier 5 and tier 2 is already removed from the profiles

with instant death the 'infinity doesn't exist' downgrade thread made sense because the tier 1/2 ratings were actually on the profiles...

1. Cosmology Blog stuffs

2. Extra reasoning as to why the old ratings had flawed reasoning

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I disagree with this for the same reasoning I expressed in the previous thread. This is all completely useless. A waste of time.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I disagree with this for the same reasoning I expressed in the previous thread. This is all completely useless. A waste of time.

Again, the reasoning is slightly different. I expressed how infinity cannot exist as anything more than a metaphor.

Nasu also not meeting the size requirements means that it is objectively, not tier 2 under the current system

 

[Junkoposter]

Bros just makin’ CRT’s for the sake of CRT’s at this point.

Anyways yeah I agree with what the other folk in this thread are saying. You already got your tier 2 nuked (despite my many issues with that, but that’s neither here or now), so all this is just kinda pointless and a waste of words.

Filler episode CRT.

 

[Re5yh]

I disagree, because Wankbreaker is always making too much Nasuverse Downgrades. I prefer another supporter who knows the verse very well.
Also, I think Nasu is actually Tier 2 or 1, because there are a lot of scans that are missing and Wank isn't crediting the sources.
The Reversed Side of the Heavens is a land where Imaginary Existence begins.

 

[Tipoima]

I disagree, because Wankbreaker is always making too much Nasuverse Downgrades. I prefer another supporter who knows the verse very well.
Also, I think Nasu is actually Tier 2 or 1, because there are a lot of scans that are missing and Wank isn't crediting the sources.

Ad hominem and "there are totally scans proving otherwise" aren't an argument.

 

[Tipoima]

Once again, I agree with the core of the argument, and I also don't get why you feel like you need to make another thread about the same topic when admins are poking you about applying the last two CRTs for weeks now.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Once again, I agree with the core of the argument, and I also don't get why you feel like you need to make another thread about the same topic when admins are poking you about applying the last two CRTs for weeks now.

The first one is pretty much completely applied.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Bros just makin’ CRT’s for the sake of CRT’s at this point.

Anyways yeah I agree with what the other folk in this thread are saying. You already got your tier 2 nuked (despite my many issues with that, but that’s neither here or now), so all this is just kinda pointless and a waste of words.

Filler episode CRT.

As pointed out earlier, there’s a reason for making this (cosmology blog purposes), and to strengthen reasoning.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I expressed how infinity cannot exist as anything more than a metaphor.

Bro, are you trolling or something?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Bro, are you trolling or something?

Is using what Nasu himself wrote trolling?

My fault if his world-view doesn’t align with what you think it is.

 

[Re5yh]

The first one is pretty much completely applied.

I know that I am not talking about infinity but a reminder that Lostbelt Trees contain actual Galaxys and the hollows of the tree connects with other worlds which is at least 3-B.
Source: Fate Grand Order

 

[Tipoima]

I know that I am not talking about infinity but a reminder that Lostbelt Trees contain actual Galaxys and the hollows of the tree connects with other worlds which is at least 3-B.
Source: Fate Grand Order

I'm sure that's gonna be relevant for whoever makes profiles for the Fantasy Trees...so what the hell does this have to do with this thread?

 

[Wankbreaker]

I know that I am not talking about infinity but a reminder that Lostbelt Trees contain actual Galaxys and the hollows of the tree connects with other worlds which is at least 3-B.
Source: Fate Grand Order

LB7 says this:

木の中にある銀河など本物である筈がないというのに、
我々はあれを銀河と認識している……

Though what looks like a galaxy within the tree could never possibly be real... we still perceive it as a galaxy.

so basically, about as valid as Ishtar shooting the “concept” of Venus

 

[Re5yh]

LB7 says this:

木の中にある銀河など本物である筈がないというのに、
我々はあれを銀河と認識している……

Though what looks like a galaxy within the tree could never possibly be real... we still perceive it as a galaxy.

Which source is for this?

 

[Tipoima]

LB7 says this:

木の中にある銀河など本物である筈がないというのに、
我々はあれを銀河と認識している……

Though what looks like a galaxy within the tree could never possibly be real... we still perceive it as a galaxy.

Which source is for this?

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NA translation is

Tepeu The galaxies inside these trees cannot possibly be real, and yet, we can't help but perceive them as such...
Tepeu I can accept a galaxy existing within a tree. But I don't see how that serves as the foundation of a Lostbelt.
Tepeu Even when ORT had shut down after becoming our Tree of Emptiness, Mictlān continued to exist.
Tepeu Perhaps these trees aren't using their galaxies' energy at all? No, never mind that now.
Tepeu The real question is, are the galaxies necessary? Is there some deeper meaning behind them being galaxies...?

 

[Wankbreaker]

LB7 says this:

木の中にある銀河など本物である筈がないというのに、
我々はあれを銀河と認識している……

Though what looks like a galaxy within the tree could never possibly be real... we still perceive it as a galaxy.

Which source is for this?

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Lostbelt No.7: Golden Sea of Trees, Nahui Mictlān — Tree of Emptiness Decisive Battle

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I disagree (Insane yap incoming), Infinite possibilites exist in Nasu, and they are supported by the MWI, ill list the scans below

Parallel Worlds are notions of human history and exist within the first texture of the world the texture of humanity, which was insinuated to be a universe as seen when Arcueid used event storage to store the surface texture of the planet and Tohno went inside that and ends up witnessing an infinite universe along with its concepts and endless stars.
Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

More proofs that Earth/the Universe works on Quantum Theory or the MW

and lastly A universe alone is infinite, having infinite stars

 

[Wankbreaker]

I disagree (Insane yap incoming), Infinite possibilites exist in Nasu, and they are supported by the MWI, ill list the scans below

Parallel Worlds are notions of human history and exist within the first texture of the world the texture of humanity, which was insinuated to be a universe as seen when Arcueid used event storage to store the surface texture of the planet and Tohno went inside that and ends up witnessing an infinite universe along with its concepts and endless stars.
Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

More proofs that Earth/the Universe works on Quantum Theory or the MW

and lastly A universe alone is infinite, having infinite stars

I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain why using the thing that is called a metaphor, to debunk it being a metaphor, would be a fallacious argument.

Not to mention , the multiple instances of clarification that these parallel worlds are in fact, finite.

 

[Re5yh]

I disagree (Insane yap incoming), Infinite possibilites exist in Nasu, and they are supported by the MWI, ill list the scans below

Parallel Worlds are notions of human history and exist within the first texture of the world the texture of humanity, which was insinuated to be a universe as seen when Arcueid used event storage to store the surface texture of the planet and Tohno went inside that and ends up witnessing an infinite universe along with its concepts and endless stars.
Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

More proofs that Earth/the Universe works on Quantum Theory or the MW

and lastly A universe alone is infinite, having infinite stars

I agree with Maniaunavailable

 

[Firestorm808]

This is all completely useless. A waste of time.

The purpose of this thread is to establish the scope of feats involving the human order.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Wankbreaker

To clarify things:

The Human Texture does not encapsulate all of an individual universe's 3-D space.

IE: The Andromeda Galaxy and other Aliens exist in a space outside the Human Texture, but still in the same universe.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Neutral.

Ngl, Japanese fiction mentions of "Infinity" suck ass.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Wankbreaker]

@Wankbreaker

To clarify things:

The Human Texture does not encapsulate all of an individual universe's 3-D space.

IE: The Andromeda Galaxy and other Aliens exist in a space outside the Human Texture, but still in the same universe.

Yes. Though inverse, anything outside the human texture is called “outside the universe” in some cases for this very reason.

For an example of some of the shit that is coined as outside the universe:

One of the outer gods is just a guy chilling on mars.

Sefar is a space-farer from outside the solar system.

Same for the machine gods.

 

[Ethan37]

Parallel Worlds are notions of human history and exist within the first texture of the world the texture of humanity, which was insinuated to be a universe as seen when Arcueid used event storage to store the surface texture of the planet and Tohno went inside that and ends up witnessing an infinite universe along with its concepts and endless stars.
Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

in addition to this
(), Tohno Shiki enters it and witnesses the infinite universe (),
And its concept ()

The first texture that contains this Universe also branches into infinite possibilities, which exist as parallel worlds (), These possibilities branch off from each other. These infinite possibilities shape the concept of human history ()

though the Human Order is solar system sized doesn't change what exist outside the universe because they're still part of Nasu Cosmologies( it's not that our Actual Universe is solar system sized, it's just OUR Universe in a sense of universe of awareness)
what exist inside and outside universe both having their own set of rules, it's just our human order which held pruning to the edge of solar system as I explained in this thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleaching-of-nasu-tier-2.180252/ thanks to Voyager
you guys can take a look into this Human Order Map if you're confused

https://imgur.com/gallery/i4SeLtJ

tbh i don't know why people still arguing about parallel worlds is solar system sized, that's ridiculous, and there seems no one have quoted this in @Wankbreaker debunk threads

so here we go

Demon God Räum This world is rife with legends, with stories that are neither divine, mystical, nor demons incarnate.
Demon God Räum The Mage's Association has a department dedicated to folklore. It is one of the Association's most closely guarded secrets. What's more, it is guarded by Brishsan, one of our king's pupils.
Demon God Räum I will see what I can accomplish by combining these legends with superstition.
Demon God Räum I believe I will start by creating a town steeped in superstition. I will conduct trial after trial there, until I get the results I want.
Demon God Räum We exist solely to save mankind.
However...
Demon God Räum ...neither faith, nor old age, nor permanence, nor hope, has been able to save humanity so far.
Demon God Räum I'm sure you now understand this too, Zepar.
The truth can never save mankind.
Demon God Zepar You're being rash. We have not tried every truth or version of it. Your conclusion is
Demon God Räum Silence. Enough. You're just like all the other fools, piling failure upon failure with no results at all!
Demon God Räum Truth is useless. My key lies in superstition. Fiction. Things that don't exist in this universe.

> Demon God Zepar Things that don't exist in this universe...? Do you mean you're going to open paths to alternate worlds? Places that don't even exist in parallel dimensions?

Demon God Zepar That is beyond us. We were born of order and common sense. We are bound by this world's laws.

> Demon God Zepar Even if there are universes outside our own, you have no means of reaching them, and no attunement to them.

the fact is that parallel worlds aren't solely based upon the human order set of rules rather they're also exist outside our universe(human order)
For example the bottom of the reverse side of the worlds is a different texture where Cthulhu lives
also greek gods are also being from outside of the Universe

IE: The Andromeda Galaxy and other Aliens exist in a space outside the Human Texture, but still in the same universe.

anything outside Human Order is considered outside universe
Outside Human Order = Outside universe
Universe is human order in sense of universe of awareness

 

[Firestorm808]

Same for the machine gods.

The Machine Gods are supposedly from "another Universe" that was dying, but all universes in the verse are just branches of each other.

It's not like half of all branching universes arose with Machine Gods so they could migrate to the other half.

Do we have more context on the barrier that the Machine Gods crossed, distinguishing whether it was between textures or literal timelines?

 

[Da3ggman]

Ain’t no WAY they used that example for wish granting, this series is ******* wild.

Uhhhh as someone who has no knowledge on the verse, ig I agree.

 

[Wankbreaker]

The Machine Gods are supposedly from "another Universe" that was dying, but all universes in the verse are just branches of each other.

It's not like half of all branching universes arose with Machine Gods so they could migrate to the other half.

Do we have more context on the barrier that the Machine Gods crossed, distinguishing whether it was between textures or literal timelines?

We just know it was an interstellar voyage, and that Chaos spent 97% of its resources to send them off

 

[Mageman460]

The Machine Gods are supposedly from "another Universe" that was dying, but all universes in the verse are just branches of each other.

It's not like half of all branching universes arose with Machine Gods so they could migrate to the other half.

Do we have more context on the barrier that the Machine Gods crossed, distinguishing whether it was between textures or literal timelines?

yeah so, Zeus flat out says Chaos used his resources to send the Machine Gods from their Universe to ours. Zeus then says that our universe was brimming with life, but there wasn't a planet matching their needs. They spent thousands upon thousands of years searching before finding Earth which matched 78% of their needs.

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Search "Before the intelligence that created us died out..." for the start of his explanation.

On top of that earlier parts mention him being able to incinerate galaxies and even the very universe.

 

[Wankbreaker]

in addition to this
(), Tohno Shiki enters it and witnesses the infinite universe (),
And its concept ()

The first texture that contains this Universe also branches into infinite possibilities, which exist as parallel worlds (), These possibilities branch off from each other. These infinite possibilities shape the concept of human history ()

As said in both this and the last thread, these possibilities cannot be infinite.

I feel little need to repeat myself as to why.

though the Human Order is solar system sized doesn't change what exist outside the universe because they're still part of Nasu Cosmologies( it's not that our Actual Universe is solar system sized, it's just OUR Universe in a sense of universe of awareness)
what exist inside and outside universe both having their own set of rules, it's just our human order which held pruning to the edge of solar system as I explained in this thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleaching-of-nasu-tier-2.180252/ thanks to Voyager
you guys can take a look into this Human Order Map if you're confused

https://imgur.com/gallery/i4SeLtJ

Again, you do know that earth’s parallel worlds are based on Human Order, right?

They didn’t even exist until Zelretch affirmed them.

tbh i don't know why people still arguing about parallel worlds is solar system sized, that's ridiculous, and there seems no one have quoted this in @Wankbreaker debunk threads

so here we go

> Demon God Zepar Things that don't exist in this universe...? Do you mean you're going to open paths to alternate worlds? Places that don't even exist in parallel dimensions?

> Demon God Zepar Even if there are universes outside our own, you have no means of reaching them, and no attunement to them.

In reality, they’re talking about things that differ from Earth’s common sense and laws (so, human order,basically.)

それは不可能だ。我々には不可能だ。
なぜなら我らは秩序と常識、この惑星の法則で生まれたもの。 仮に外の宇宙があるとしても、そこに繋がる手段を、
属性を持たない。


That is impossible. For us, impossible.
Because we are creatures born of order, common sense, the laws of this planet.
Even if other universes exist, we lack the means to reach them—
we possess none of the essential attributes.

this actually just helps my point more.

the fact is that parallel worlds aren't solely based upon the human order set of rules rather they're also exist outside our universe(human order)
For example the bottom of the reverse side of the worlds is a different texture where Cthulhu lives

They’re entirely managed by the human order. What do you mean they aren’t based on it?

It even decides what stays and goes.


Raums solution to have something from the “outer” universe “save” mankind already failed 14 thousand years ago. Which is literally just referring to Velber.

魔神ラウム。今は無き統括局(ゲーティア)に代わって
おまえに決を下す。”その妄想に滅びあれ。
汝の解答は、一万四千年前に失敗した”と。
I,Demon God Raum, now acting in place of the long-lost Directorate (Goetia),
I pronounce judgment upon thee:
Perish within thine delusion.
Thy resolution failed 14,000 years past."

Velber is a space-faring civilization eater.

"Velber" is the name of the predatory Umbral Star, also known as the Harvest Star. Like a comet, it flies on a set orbit through space, passing through the Milky Way galaxy once every 14,000 Earth years.
Its appearance resembles a crying eye.
It destroys all intelligent civilizations in its path, and in doing so, it consumes all digital data within reach.
The last time it passed through Earth's orbit, it annihilated virtually all sentient life on the planet, and plundered 80% of the Moon Cell's data.

also greek gods are also being from outside of the Universe

anything outside Human Order is considered outside universe
Outside Human Order = Outside universe
Universe is human order in sense of universe of awareness

 

[Wankbreaker]

yeah so, Zeus flat out says Chaos used his resources to send the Machine Gods from their Universe to ours. Zeus then says that our universe was brimming with life, but there wasn't a planet matching their needs. They spent thousands upon thousands of years searching before finding Earth which matched 78% of their needs.

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Search "Before the intelligence that created us died out..." for the start of his explanation.

On top of that earlier parts mention him being able to incinerate galaxies and even the very universe.

Both Goredolf and Europa (who are obviously both from PHH), are referencing Greek mythology. I’m pretty sure neither of them have directly met with or seen Zeus’s capabilities yet.

The version of Zeus that they WOULD be referencing, his thunderbolts are compared to a continental level character.



Translation of the first sentence of the second scan:

Had that flesh born as the son of a god harbored the vast divinity that constituted that colossal bull, he might well have transformed into a thunder god close to Zeus—perhaps even capable of obliterating this continent itself.

His lostbelt self has anti-star system shit. So, nowhere close to a universe, or a galaxy, even.

 

[Mageman460]

Yeah, so here's Limbo saying "He is the wielder of the great thunderbolts capable of shattering stars, galaxies, even the very universe. None less than the Authorities of Uranus and Cronus bow to his will."

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Also, from what I understand the Gulganna thing is literally just it existing. It passively generates that storm.

And to top it off, Zeus still says the Machine Gods are from another universe.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Yeah, so here's Limbo saying "He is the wielder of the great thunderbolts capable of shattering stars, galaxies, even the very universe. None less than the Authorities of Uranus and Cronus bow to his will."

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Again, based on myth. Neither his other statements nor his actual feats match up.

His most powerful attack is hyped to be an anti-star system attack. For reference, a star system is 2 or more (usually 2), small to medium sized stars orbiting each other.

You’re telling me that Zeus is far stronger than Chaos, which is a sentient Dyson sphere that is powered by a massive star?

Also, from what I understand the Gulganna thing is literally just it existing. It passively generates that storm.

That storm is what makes up its entire body, it’s Gugalanna itself. That’s why they say “what if this mass of energy walked like a beast?”

And to top it off, Zeus still says the Machine Gods are from another universe.

it’s consistently described as interstellar travel.

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Not to mention, outside the universe is usually referring to shit outside the purview of human order, as proven above.

 

[Ethan37]

As said in both this and the last thread, these possibilities cannot be infinite.

I feel little need to repeat myself as to why.

Again, you do know that earth’s parallel worlds are based on Human Order, right?

They didn’t even exist until Zelretch affirmed them.




In reality, they’re talking about things that differ from Earth’s common sense and laws (so, human order,basically.)



this actually just helps my point more.


They’re entirely managed by the human order. What do you mean they aren’t based on it?

It even decides what stays and goes.


Raums solution to have something from the “outer” universe “save” mankind already failed 14 thousand years ago. Which is literally just referring to Velber.




Velber is a space-faring civilization eater.

Tbh your reply doesn't contradict my statements

Again, you do know that earth’s parallel worlds are based on Human Order, right?

Yes? Parallel worlds are located upon textures(currently human order)

They didn’t even exist until Zelretch affirmed them.

Also yea? Exactly as i explained in the bleaching thread

In reality, they’re talking about things that differ from Earth’s common sense and laws (so, human order,basically.)

To simplify, they're talking about possibilities of parallel world outside our universe

this actually just helps my point more.

How?

Demon God Zepar Things that don't exist in this universe...? Do you mean you're going to open paths to alternate worlds? Places that don't even exist in parallel dimensions?

Demon God Zepar That is beyond us. We were born of order and common sense. We are bound by this world's laws.

Demon God Zepar Even if there are universes outside our own, you have no means of reaching them, and no attunement to them.

Read the bolded lines, that's exactly what Raum aims through the existence of Outer gods which resides inside abby

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LaviniaThe six doors...up, down, left, right, front, and back...represent all possible...dimensions.
LaviniaAnd...this Outer God...
Lavinia...is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate... The outside of our universe...where light can never reach.
LaviniaBut despite that...he also borders all possible dimensions...and is tied to all possible things.

LaviniaSome know him as...Sut-Typhon...but...

It's a clear indication that parallel worlds exist not solely based upon human order, because there could be exist a Parallel worlds outside our universe as well,we just don't know how to open a path to that possibilities(ie raum needed to exploit outer gods power)in our universe we have 2nd magic,
what HO do is govern the parallel worlds that exist only inside of it's influence it has nothing to do with things outside of the universe they remain as it is

It even decides what stays and goes.

Yes, in certain criteria

Raums solution to have something from the “outer” universe “save” mankind already failed 14 thousand years ago. Which is literally just referring to Velber

Ik, but we'rent talking about this, my arguments is to provide a counter argument for your statements, that parallel worlds do exist even outside human order they exists beyond our universe of awareness

 

[Mageman460]

Again, based on myth. Neither his other statements nor his actual feats match up.

His most powerful attack is hyped to be an anti-star system attack. For reference, a star system is 2 or more (usually 2), small to medium sized stars orbiting each other.

His most powerful attack is literally said right here to be able to incinerate the universe. He even has an Anti Space-time and Anti-Concept. To which Mash's response is "But that would mean" and Zeus says "Everything. Begone" Holmes asks if Zeus means to destroy ALL of Creation.

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You’re telling me that Zeus is far stronger than Chaos, which is a sentient Dyson sphere that is powered by a massive star?

Chaos is much more than just a Dyson Sphere. He IS the gap between universes.

Romulus-Quirinius: "They are a supernatural god that has become one with the gaps of our universe's space-time! Their core is the very eye you see peeking out there from within the rift!"

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That storm is what makes up its entire body, it’s Gugalanna itself. That’s why they say “what if this mass of energy walked like a beast?”

And? Once again, Gugalanna is the storm just by existing.

it’s consistently described as interstellar travel.

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Not to mention, outside the universe is usually referring to shit outside the purview of human order, as proven above.

It is interstellar travel. However, that came AFTER the travel from another universe. Chaos used 97% of its resources to send the rest of the fleet to another universe. Then they travelled the universe to find a planet they could live on.

 

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He even has an Anti Space-time and Anti-Concept

A reminder that these refer to what's it targeting and not destructive ability.

To which Mash's response is "But that would mean" and Zeus says "Everything. Begone" Holmes asks if Zeus means to destroy ALL of Creation.

1) There's a big pause between Mash's response and Zeus talking, it's unlikely that he's responding to her specifically.
2) He explicitly intends to take Olympus and drive it off into "the sea of stars", both of which clearly would still be around.
3) Zeus blatantly admits to be weaker than U-Olga. Considering he makes no attempt to destroy the Tree, despite somehow planning to preserve the Lostbelt even after she consumes that Tree, we can assume that even the weakened U-Olga we got was too much for him.

 

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His most powerful attack is literally said right here to be able to incinerate the universe. He even has an Anti Space-time and Anti-Concept. To which Mash's response is "But that would mean" and Zeus says "Everything. Begone" Holmes asks if Zeus means to destroy ALL of Creation.

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貴方は、この世界(ほし)を……
何もかもを破壊すると、そのように宣(のたま)うのか。

The line says “Sekai”, with hoshi (so, the planet.) over it as furigana.

It doesn’t say all of creation.

Chaos is much more than just a Dyson Sphere. He IS the gap between universes.

Romulus-Quirinius: "They are a supernatural god that has become one with the gaps of our universe's space-time! Their core is the very eye you see peeking out there from within the rift!"

This is because Zeus releasing his limiter inadvertently summoned it. Zeus uncapped the full strength of his thunderbolt, thus summoning Chaos.

Nega Keraunos.
This instrument of destruction is Typhon's own rendition of Zeus' thunder, crafted by hacking the Chief God's blueprints. Its formidable power is, by design, capped by Zeus's original limitations—a fortunate constraint that prevents Typhon from inadvertently summoning Chaos.

It is described as a dyson sphere that is a shell around a star from a distant star system.

遙か遠き他星系の恒星を核として形成された、
超大型構造体恒星球殻！

"A stellar spherical-shell—an ultra-large-scale structure formed with a very distant star system's fixed star as its nucleus!"

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And? Once again, Gugalanna is the storm just by existing.

I’m not what you’re trying to say here? It’s true that Gugalanna is the hurricane. But said hurricane is also the totality on it, and also contains its divinity and magical power.

It is interstellar travel. However, that came AFTER the travel from another universe. Chaos used 97% of its resources to send the rest of the fleet to another universe. Then they travelled the universe to find a planet they could live on.

Chaos is literally a mothership FOR interstellar travel.

星間航行用超巨大母艦

The “universe” part is almost certainly talking about it escaping its native star system to ride in the sea of stars (space)