Arrowverse CRT: About Lucifer series and Arrowvers Power Level Differences

[ByArrow]

As mentioned in this thread, the Arrowverse and Lucifer have a few cosmology differences and power levels.

As mentioned in this thread and in the comment below, the Lucifer series has many contradictions with what is shown in the Arrowverse, it is very one-sided since nothing in the Arrowverse affects Lucifer, there are significant contradictions about the creation of the universe, etc.

the Lucifer series only shows demons, angels and archangels as more powerful than humans and comparable to each other. But Arrowverse puts the average demon comparable to angels like Manny, and the angels above the most powerful sorcerers like John Constantine. And the Arrowverse places Archangels much higher than demons and angels. And Lucifer, an archangel, sees the multiversal annihilation and the Anti-Monitor as a trivial event.

And also they have a few hax differences as mentioned in the previous thread.

Clearly, the Lucifer series and the Arrowverse have extreme differences in power levels.

So my suggestion is to give Lucifer, Amenadiel, God, the characters that appear and are mentioned in the Arrowverse, a “Series” key and an “Arrowverse” key. This will allow us to accurately scale both the different power levels in the show and the power level in the Arrowverse.

• Series Key: Will only be based on the power levels and abilities shown in Lucifer. Abilities that are not shown in the show but exist in the Arrowverse will not be in this section.
  • So Archangels's the Series key will be scaled to the level accepted in this previous thread.
    • And in this key of Archangels, the following abilities will be removed.
      • Creation
      • Portal Creation
      • Magic
      • Clairvoyance
      • Possession
      • Cosmic Awareness
  • In this key God will be Low 2-C because He created the universe. And the Goddess will scale to Low 2-C too. Also Flaming Sword will scale to Low 2-Ctoo.
    • And in this key of God and in the profile of the Goddess, the following abilities will be removed.
      • Information Manipulation
      • Large Size (Type 10)
      • Regeneration (Low-Godly)
      • Darkness Manipulation
      • Magic
• Arrowverse Key: Scaled according to the power levels in the Arrowverse. Additional abilities demonstrated in Arrowverse will also be included.
  • So Archangels's Arrowverse key will have the same scaling as in this thread that was previously accepted. In addition, Lucifer and Amenadiel will receive a possible/likely 2-A rating because Lucifer downplayed the multiverse crisis and Anti-Monitor.
  • In Archangel’s Arrowverse key, Only abilities from the Arrowverse will remain and abilities from the Lucifer TV series will be removed.
  • In God's Arrowverse key, Only abilities from the Arrowverse will remain and abilities from the Lucifer TV series will be removed.

Those in agreement: @FinePoint (He fine with the two canon keys, though his personal preference would be to remove the connections to the Arrowverse entirely.), @Theglassman12

Those in disagreement:

Those yet to form an opinion:

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I was waiting the thread to be over to go a detailed CRT about why Lucifer should be its own thing. Your thread is simplified, but ok.
Lucifer TV show has many contradictions with what's shown in arrowverse, it's very one sided as no event in the Arrowverse actually affects Lucifer, important contradictions about the universe creation ect, you should have talked about that.
I'm not against making different keys although you made it sound more simple than it is, since all characters would have it including God and the Goddess who would probably scale to low 2-C.

 

[ByArrow]

I was waiting the thread to be over to go a detailed CRT about why Lucifer should be its own thing. Your thread is simplified, but ok.
Lucifer TV show has many contradictions with what's shown in arrowverse, it's very one sided as no event in the Arrowverse actually affects Lucifer, important contradictions about the universe creation ect, you should have talked about that.
I'm not against making different keys although you made it sound more simple than it is, since all characters would have it including God and the Goddess who would probably scale to low 2-C.

I added to the OP the cosmology differences and the downgrade of God, Goddess and Flaming Sword to Low 2-C.

 

[ByArrow]

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[Isaacbobanka]

Another thing that might boost his claim to be 2:A wasen't he able to use magic even if all magic in the multiverse was weakend(by the crisis energy)?

 

[Reiner04]

OP left vsbw. Closing. If someone willing to take on task of OP then they can ask me to reopen the thread on my wall.

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

I believe I essentially agreed before to split the canon of Lucifer from the Arrowverse since the connection is essentially just a cameo.

So outside of that, this is obviously an improvement.

 

[ByArrow]

I believe I essentially agreed before to split the canon of Lucifer from the Arrowverse since the connection is essentially just a cameo.

So outside of that, this is obviously an improvement.

Just to be sure, do you agree with the OP?

Do you agree with splitting the characters into two keys, the scaling shown in each key, and with Lucifer and Amenadiel likely being above crisis, etc.

 

[FinePoint]

Just to be sure, do you agree with the OP?

Do you agree with splitting the characters into two keys, the scaling shown in each key, and with Lucifer and Amenadiel likely being above crisis, etc.

I'm fine with the two canon keys, though my personal preference would be to remove the connections to the Arrowverse entirely.

 

[ByArrow]

I'm fine with the two canon keys, though my personal preference would be to remove the connections to the Arrowverse entirely.

Counted

 

[ByArrow]

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[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[Theglassman12]

I share the same view as Finepoint with the canonicity stuff, everything else looks ok.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'm fine with the two canon keys, though my personal preference would be to remove the connections to the Arrowverse entirely.

I share the same view as Finepoint with the canonicity stuff, everything else looks ok.

There is an option to just not have keys and just do a Lucifer series page with no connection to the arrowverse.

Honestly I'm a bit confused with the OP. The whole point of splitting them is that Lucifer and Arrowverse have too many inconsistencies to stay together yet the OP wants to make a key for the Lucifer series and another for the arrowverse+Lucifer series, what's the point in doing that?
Doing an arrowverse key should exclude everything that happened in the Lucifer show, so arrowverse key would have no flaming sword, and use only the abilities that angels have and what Lucifer show during the cameo and nothing else.

 

[ByArrow]

Honestly I'm a bit confused with the OP. The whole point of splitting them is that Lucifer and Arrowverse have too many inconsistencies to stay together yet the OP wants to make a key for the Lucifer series and another for the arrowverse+Lucifer series, what's the point in doing that?
Doing an arrowverse key should exclude everything that happened in the Lucifer show, so arrowverse key would have no flaming sword, and use only the abilities that angels have and what Lucifer show during the cameo and nothing else.

Yes you are right. I have updated OP.

Yes you are right. I have updated OP. I will implement the OP since the staff members who use vote, support removing all canon links.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

I will implement the OP during the day.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[ByArrow]

Since this CRT downgrades Lucifer characters from High 1-C and gives Lucifer and Amenadiel a Low 1-C rating, I think a 3th staff vote is needed.

 

[FinePoint]

Since this CRT downgrades Lucifer characters from High 1-C and gives Lucifer and Amenadiel a Low 1-C rating, I think a 3th staff vote is needed.

An admin is needed, at least.

 

[ByArrow]

An admin is needed, at least.

Can you ping a admin?

 

[FinePoint]

Can you ping a admin?

I could. Which one?

 

[ByArrow]

I could. Which one?

@Maverick_Zero_X or @Qawsedf234

 

[FinePoint]

@Maverick_Zero_X or @Qawsedf234

@Maverick_Zero_X @Qawsedf234

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Isaacbobanka]

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