Shadow Fight upgrade (New event + Statements)

[Richard5128pm]

A few days ago, Nekki decided to dive deep into tenebris' powers and abilities. We're introduced to the calligrapher, who is one of the void scribes (beings who live in the void), he uses a special kind of language called the tenebris language, which has a set of unique abilities (like fate manipulation to possibly data and plot manipulation), a game dev proofreads his feat. This tenebris language is known to originate from Tenebris (self-explanatory), tenebris gets upscaled from this. All in all, the following abilities should be indexed in his profile;
passive Mind Manipulation - tenebris ink slowly erases the user's mind (note that these void scripts are much weaker than tenebris, so it might not affect him at all)
Statistics Amplification - ink thickens as health drops
Data Manipulation and Info Manipulation (type 2) - if we're considering the Discord announcement
Illusion Creation
Additionally, tenebris' tier should be changed to 2-A, since he is the one who created all the planes (timelines) found in the void, clarifying this statement from Shadow Fight 2. The void is said to contain infinite worlds in Shadow Fight 3's epilogue.
Tenebris' Intelligence section needs an upgrade as well (possibly Nigh-Omniscience), Here's some context, characters who exist in the void can see timelines as "open books", that's also how the void room predicts the future, the future already exists in it's perspective, since it exists in the void. As for tenebris, he created all these universes with its forces of nature and light and darkness. He is not just another character from the void; he is the creator. Even the void scribes can grasp only a small fraction of tenebris' language. This makes him a candidate for poss. Nigh-Omniscience.

Lifting Strength: Unknown, presumably Superhuman

Just a minor update, but I think it's better if Tenebris' LS should be changed to "Unknown, at least Class T" instead of the above. Scaling to Megalith, who is very inferior to Tenebris in every way.

Two other characters get upscaled by this: Architect (created the void + tenebris), Shadow (defeats Tenebris in combat). They must scale to tenebris in AP, Striking Strength and Durability. These characters belong to the apex tier of this verse.

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Some additional scans and arguments to support the proposal

The Infinity Beacon plays a major role in The Void storyline. The void is so huge that travelling from one part to the other is almostimpossible, so the first masters of the void created a communication and transportation station that stretches to every part of the void. It is said to be the most ancient technology in the void, and it was revealed that tenebris created the beacon. I believe making something like this is well into Supergenius territory. If possibly Nigh-Omniscient gets rejected, Supergenius might be the most appropriate rating for tenebris.

Tenebris is referred to as the gods who created everything in the void with their technology and words (tenebris language). This reinforces the above scan that says they created the planes/universes with their language. It's important to note that Tenebris didn't create the void (nothingness) itself, but the countless worlds that are part of it.

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Votes

Agree (9) - @Apex_Predator_GX , @Secimatar , @VoidWalker777 , @Dashio_Tessai , @DarkDragonMedeus , @Youngwolf-0.1 , @JagerManifest , @Catzlaflame , @Mr. Bambu (mind mani)

Neutral (1) - @Mr. Bambu (Stat amplification)

Disagree (1) - @Mr. Bambu (AP and Intelligence)

 

[Secimatar]

I overall agree with this. If this gets through then Shadow (UW) and Architects Strength will also be upgraded. The number of abilities can also be increased due to the discord statement considering calligrapher messed with alot of stuff.
Not sure about NEP1.

 

[VoidWalker777]

Agree with everything

But not sure about nonexistent physiology tho

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP seems reasonable to me.

 

[Richard5128pm]

3 votes and counting

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Yea, look good to me

 

[Dashio_Tessai]

Looks straightforward enough. I agree.

 

[Richard5128pm]

5 and counting now

 

[JagerManifest]

A few days ago, Nekki decided to dive deep into tenebris' powers and abilities. We're introduced to the calligrapher, who is one of the void scribes (beings who live in the void), he uses a special kind of language called the tenebris language, which has a set of unique abilities (like fate manipulation to possibly data and plot manipulation), a game dev proofreads his feat. This tenebris language is known to originate from Tenrbis (self-explanatory), tenebris gets upscaled from this. All in all, the following abilities should be indexed in his profile;
Existence Erasure (Mind Manipulation) - tenebris ink slowly erases the user's mind
Statistics Amplification - ink thickens as health drops
Data Manipulation and Info Manipulation (type 2) - if we're considering the Discord announcement
Nonexistent physiology (Nature 1) ?
Illusion Creation
Additionally, tenebris' tier should be changed to 2-A, since he is the one who created all the planes (timelines) found in the void, clarifying this statement from Shadow Fight 2. How this affects the rest of that verse is open for discussion.

seems fine to me(exclude nonexistent pshyiology, idk about that)

 

[Richard5128pm]

exclude nonexistent pshyiology, idk about that

Yeah, it is more of an assumption, tenebris is basically the embodiment of the void, existed before everything. I'm fine with moving on without it.

 

[Richard5128pm]

Made a small tweak in the OP, check it out guys.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If you want this accepted, you have to ask the staff members for input.

 

[Richard5128pm]

Right

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[KaramcaS]

Existence Erasure (Mind Manipulation) - tenebris ink slowly erases the user's mind

Just Mind manip or Info manip 1

Additionally, tenebris' tier should be changed to 2-A, since he is the one who created all the planes (timelines) found in the void, clarifying this statement from Shadow Fight 2. The void is said to contain infinite worlds in Shadow Fight 3's epilogue.

I think "At least Low 2-C, likely/possibly 2-A" is better. Because it says "They say, Tenebris created all planes" the "They Say" can be mean like a Legend and not real, but we dont know, it could be real. So likely or possibly section is better.

 

[Secimatar]

Just Mind manip or Info manip 1

Nope, mind Manipulation doesn't account for destruction of mind, consciousness or thoughts.
This is Exitence Erasure (Mind and Senses)
I'll do it a step-by-step breakdown of the dialogue to further explain it to you.

• "The ink eats all the thoughts of the scribe"- Implies a complete consumption or destruction of mental content. Not alteration, not control, but eating thoughts. That’s strongly indicative of erasure, not manipulation.
• "Their senses soon follow"- This implies a loss of sensory experience which suggests the erasure of perceptual faculties which usually leads up to destruction/erasure of consciousness.
• "In the end, they are just a nib"- This implies that the person is reduced to a tool, with no agency, awareness, or self. This suggests they are no longer a conscious being, only an object.

I think "At least Low 2-C, likely/possibly 2-A" is better. Because it says "They say, Tenebris created all planes" the "They Say" can be mean like a Legend and not real

Don't worry about that, its more than clear in the lore that tenebris has created all the planes. I mean, there literally is a scan attached with it in which he himself is saying that he has created them which should already be enough to discard any such idea but even other than that, there are many such things in the lore which suggest tenebris is the creator so that's not really a problem.

 

[Richard5128pm]

I think "At least Low 2-C, likely/possibly 2-A" is better. Because it says "They say, Tenebris created all planes" the "They Say" can be mean like a Legend and not real, but we dont know, it could be real. So likely or possibly section is better.

There are multiple other details to consider, like, Tenebris (and all the other underworld characters) positioning him as the creator in Shadow Fight 2.
"They say" doesn't really challenge his position as the creator of the multiverse in any way; it's just Nekki's way of teasing/hyping characters who are yet to appear in the game with flowery language. Tenebris is set to appear in Shadow Fight 3 soon (probably in the Abyss storyline)

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

If my English wasn't so bad, I would have already created a Shadow fight cosmology. I feel a little sick when I look at stuff like this.

 

[Richard5128pm]

I feel a little sick when I look at stuff like this.

yeah? boo-hoo ***, go whine somewhere else

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

If my English wasn't so bad, I would have already created a Shadow fight cosmology. I feel a little sick when I look at stuff like this.

Who are you

 

[Secimatar]

Who are you

Some Russian guy. He is the one who started the "void room is infinite hierchy" non sense few months back.

 

[Secimatar]

If my English wasn't so bad, I would have already created a Shadow fight cosmology.

Thankfully so cuz your type of illogical scaling only looks good on discord.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Thankfully so cuz your type of illogical scaling only looks good on discord.

Even if you don't take that into account. There is another cosmological model. The main one is based on endless timelines that are contained within a single world.

P.S. For example, from a recent interview it became known that the universe Vector = Shadow fight. Although it was said in a joking manner


yeah? boo-hoo ***, go whine somewhere els
Are you still offended?

 

[Richard5128pm]

Are you still offended?

You're not taken seriously here

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Thankfully so cuz your type of illogical scaling only looks good on discord.

Even if you don't take that into account. There is another cosmological model. The main one is based on endless timelines that are contained within a single world.

P.S. For example, from a recent interview it became known that the universe Vector = Shadow fight.


yeah? boo-hoo ***, go whine somewhere els
Are you still offended?

Just for the record, you're not saying anything new here. We all know there's infinite timelines in Shadow Fight, and, Shadow Fight and Vector being in the same universe have already been implied ages ago.

Just drop the NPD behavior for the day, that would help this thread. In fact, just get out of this thread. In all full respect, you're not being any useful by saying all of this.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

You're not taken seriously here


Keep me posted it's very interesting

 

[Richard5128pm]

you're not being any useful by saying all of this.

The guy is a useless nuisance

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Just for the record, you're not saying anything new here. We all know there's infinite timelines in Shadow Fight, and, Shadow Fight and Vector being in the same universe have already been implied ages ago.
I propose to structure all the data into a single systematics in order to build a cosmology. And on the basis of this to set levels. And at the moment the levels can reach 1-C. Due to the many nuances.

 

[Richard5128pm]

I propose to structure all the data into a single systematics in order to build a cosmology. And on the basis of this to set levels. And at the moment the levels can reach 1-C. Due to the many nuances.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Oh no. My weakness is meme!

 

[Antvasima]

@AbaddonTheDisappointment @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Nierre @Reiner04 @Dalesean027 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

Are any of you willing to take a look here please?

 

[Catzlaflame]

, a game dev proofreads his feat.

Data Manipulation and Info Manipulation (type 2) - if we're considering the Discord announcement

That just looks like a creative way for the devs to word an announcement, its not like he actually altered the code of the game.

The void is said to contain infinite worlds in Shadow Fight 3's epilogue.

the scan is not in English. Not to mention the simple fact that worlds aren't always referring to separate space-times, it could also just mean planets.

Rest is ok tho

Anyhaps, I will ask that you guys remain civil, and stop the inflammatory rehtroic.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Mind Manipulation - tenebris ink slowly erases the user's mind

Like. To the user's own detriment, sure.

Statistics Amplification - ink thickens as health drops

No stat is being amped here, the ink is gaining new effects. So this is something but it isn't Stat Amp.

Data Manipulation and Info Manipulation (type 2) - if we're considering the Discord announcement

I think the dev is just trying to be humorous in how they present bugfixes. Disagree with the Discord usage.

Illusion Creation

Why.

Additionally, tenebris' tier should be changed to 2-A, since he is the one who created all the planes (timelines) found in the void, clarifying this statement from Shadow Fight 2. The void is said to contain infinite worlds in Shadow Fight 3's epilogue.

It's not a solid enough statement to justify outright 2-A (since it's treated as hearsay). Is there somewhere else that specifies planes as timelines? I vaguely remember that other statement from SF2 but I also recall that being an area of concern there, as well- nothing outright describes them as being "worlds" as in "universes" rather than, say, "demiplanes", the latter of which would still be Low 2-C.

Tenebris' Intelligence section needs an upgrade as well (possibly Nigh-Omniscience), Here's some context, characters who exist in the void can see timelines as "open books", that's also how the void room predicts the future, the future already exists in it's perspective, since it exists in the void. As for tenebris, he created all these universes with its forces of nature and light and darkness. He is not just another character from the void; he is the creator. Even the void scribes can grasp only a small fraction of tenebris' language. This makes him a candidate for poss. Nigh-Omniscience.

I don't agree with this. Even if all knowledge existed in the void, that doesn't mean all characters who exist in the void would have said knowledge. I can be surrounded by sources of knowledge at all times, I don't scale to having all of that knowledge myself. Even if he created everything in the void (which isn't concrete nor is it necessarily as impressive as one is arguing), I wouldn't assume him to have all knowledge in his braincase. So, disagree from me.

Lifting Strength: Unknown, presumably Superhuman

Just a minor update, but I think it's better if Tenebris' LS should be changed to "Unknown, at least Class T" instead of the above. Scaling to Megalith, who is very inferior to Tenebris in every way.

If he is physically superior then, sure.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

It's not a solid enough statement to justify outright 2-A (since it's treated as hearsay). Is there somewhere else that specifies planes as timelines? I vaguely remember that other statement from SF2 but I also recall that being an area of concern there, as well- nothing outright describes them as being "worlds" as in "universes" rather than, say, "demiplanes", the latter of which would still be Low 2-C.



In fact, the cosmology of Shadow fight, which is described on VSB, is extremely outdated and not systematized. and I would not recommend touching it until the end of the year. Since the developers have explicitly stated that they want to reveal the cosmology at least by the end of this year. As for the fact that the screenshot is not in English, it is mostly necessary to look at the original, which is in Russian, as the English translation may partially distort the essence of what is written in the original. For example, comics, card games, and a book on Shadow fight are only available in Russian.

 

[MeiouHades]

It's not a solid enough statement to justify outright 2-A (since it's treated as hearsay). Is there somewhere else that specifies planes as timelines? I vaguely remember that other statement from SF2 but I also recall that being an area of concern there, as well- nothing outright describes them as being "worlds" as in "universes" rather than, say, "demiplanes", the latter of which would still be Low 2-C.



In fact, the cosmology of Shadow fight, which is described on VSB, is extremely outdated and not systematized. and I would not recommend touching it until the end of the year. Since the developers have explicitly stated that they want to reveal the cosmology at least by the end of this year. As for the fact that the screenshot is not in English, it is mostly necessary to look at the original, which is in Russian, as the English translation may partially distort the essence of what is written in the original. For example, comics, card games, and a book on Shadow fight are only available in Russian.

Yeah this. Shadow Fight cosmology is yet to be revealed. IIRC there was also a statement by the devs about clarifying the Underworld cosmology as well.

 

[Secimatar]

Not to mention the simple fact that worlds aren't always referring to separate space-times, it could also just mean planets.

Is there somewhere else that specifies planes as timelines?

These "planes" and "worlds" are actually called timelines, universe, space-time, etc, many times in the game and in extra sources. This has already been accepted by this wiki in the past thread.

Even if all knowledge existed in the void, that doesn't mean all characters who exist in the void would have said knowledge. I can be surrounded by sources of knowledge at all times, I don't scale to having all of that knowledge myself. Even if he created everything in the void (which isn't concrete nor is it necessarily as impressive as one is arguing), I wouldn't assume him to have all knowledge in his braincase.

I think you've heavily misunderstood this, all knowledge doesn't exist in the void, since the void is infinite nothingness, hence it lacks time. Due to that, everything(the past, present & future) from the voids perspective is simultaneous. Because of this things or characters that exist in the void can see them all at once like the void room, which is a room in the void which doesn't predict but states, or the stranger who exists in the void room and he can see the space and time as on open book and knows the secrets of space and time , or the liberator of mortals, who is one of the finest copies of stranger who broke the chains of time and knew everything about space and time.
Its not a wild assumption to think that tenebris, the creator of the worlds is smarter and more Knowledgeable than these characters.

That just looks like a creative way for the devs to word an announcement, its not like he actually altered the code of the game.

I think the dev is just trying to be humorous in how they present bugfixes. Disagree with the Discord usage.

I understand your concern about not wanting discord notifications to distribute abilities amongst characters, However, there are still other things in game that can grant them that.
Firstly, every being in shadow fight whether he is a human a robot, etc exists as a program and the souls have been described as data, matrices and there is also data on connections between the souls.
As for information, information in shadow fight exists in the form of energy. This information is both specific and fundamental.
Since tenebris created all of this, I think he can get data manipulation and Information Manipulation.

 

[Secimatar]

Yeah this. Shadow Fight cosmology is yet to be revealed. IIRC there was also a statement by the devs about clarifying the Underworld cosmology as well.

Nope, its mostly been revealed. Although they will probably still reveal new information in future updates.

 

[MeiouHades]

Nope, its mostly been revealed. Although they will probably still reveal new information in future updates.

I'm pretty sure we don't know much about the tiers of the Underworld.

 

[Secimatar]

I'm pretty sure we don't know much about the tiers of the Underworld.

I am not sure what you quiet mean by that. Underworld has been released all the way upto tier 4 with tier 5 coming some time soon. I think you mean that we haven't seen their full power?

 

[Richard5128pm]

No stat is being amped here, the ink is gaining new effects. So this is something but it isn't Stat Amp.

I'll quote the exact statement from the paragraph, "Thick Ink Phase. The effects of the Perfect ink are strengthened and new ones are added. The boss is obsessed with Ink: all of his abilities are enhanced, and he can now also teleport away from you", Ink thickens based on the character's health --> amplifies the already existing effects and adds new ones, which qualifies as stat amp, unless stat apm is tied only to physical characteristics.

Why.

My bad, should've added context for this one. The eternals are Tenebris' children; he is their power source, I'll quote Arkhos' (one of the eternals) dialogue after he is defeated "Whom shall I worship in this last hour of mine? O Creator (Tenebris), why hast thou forsaken me? Thou gave me power to lead them, but I have failed thee...", this is also the reason why tenebris has fate manipulation, curse manipulation and conceptual manipulation, tenebris is implied to be far better than all his children at their own concepts. Hoaxen is one of his children, the embodiment of illusion.

It's not a solid enough statement to justify outright 2-A (since it's treated as hearsay).

That's an in-game description straight from the SF3 devs, not the character. Sometimes, they word it that way to tease and maintain hype until the character is brought to the game (yeah, Tenebris is set to appear later in the game).

Is there somewhere else that specifies planes as timelines? I vaguely remember that other statement from SF2 but I also recall that being an area of concern there, as well- nothing outright describes them as being "worlds" as in "universes" rather than, say, "demiplanes", the latter of which would still be Low 2-C.

Shadow Fight 3 has a habit of referring to timelines as planes.
For context, I'll explain about the first time the term "planes" was used; After his wife's death, Shadow plans to destroy the timeline and recreate it. Bolo is the smartest man alive, and his particle accelerator (accelerator core) can help Shadow achieve his goal, so shadow forcefully ceases the prototype from bolo and gets full access to it. Bolo travels back to the past so many times to stop Shadow, but Shadow always attains his goal (due to shadow's fate manipulation), to demonstrate how futile their attempts are, bolo sends the protagonist back in time thrice to stop shadow from getting the prototype, Bolo mentions it will activate timelines (time travelling creates new timelines in this verse, due to time travel paradoxes, later in the game stranger mentions this feat, that's where the timelines were called planes, from then on, the term "planes" has been used to describe timelines/universes. In this verse, there's no other meaning for planes or worlds - they always refer to timelines or universes.