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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

SweetDao said:
Open your eyes, it helps ✋ 😗
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Also, while checking a chapter yesterday to check some stuff I talked with Legacy, I stumbled about this... giga sus...

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Everyone is a child, when you are like over 100,000+ years old.

Speaking of that, I remembered I wanted to fix the characters age, Shiro should be trillions of years old, Epilogue is inapplicabale, since it has always existed, and then Fate is like over 100,000 years old.

Don't know if a crt is needed for something so minor.
 
If that is suspicious, the epilogue loved kaito before he was even born so..

Also good question, are cats needed for age changes really?
 
Was looking for an argument to prove NPI for basic magic usage.
[Errr, the current Iris’ specs had my clone as the base material, basically giving her the specs equal to the Six Kings…… And even though this might be a bad way to put it, everything else other than that was the same before she died…… a human level. So, I’m thinking of having her experience a high-dimensional battle.]
~chapter 735
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Here we have Iris before her mock battle with Isis, while her stats are high count level, her skills and abilities aren't even peerage level, so she's lacking a lot of enchantments and whatnot.

Before the mock battle, they were doing tests on Iris.
1) Iris uses magic spears to attack Iris which get deactivated before hitting her.
2) Iris uses physical earth to attack, and Isis uses spiritual form to bypass it.

What's interesting is that the earthern spears don't have magic imbued in it.
I see, if Isis-san can nullify magic, that doesn’t mean that the earth molded with magic will disappear. I thought this was a spectacular move, but right after that, Alice-san’s voice echoed.
~chapter 737
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Magic was used to create it, but the resulting spear isn't magical.

Then we get to the mock battle.
The two didn’t exchange any words, and a few moments later, Alice, who was standing at a distance, signaled them with a circle over her head with both hands. This was a signal that the Spatial Isolation Ward that protects the surroundings was complete, and at the same time, it meant that Isis could fight with all her might.
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The magic power overflowing from Isis’ body turned from pale blue to jet black, and at the same time, the atmosphere around her became sharp and cold. She truly looks like the King who rules over death, a being possessing absolute strength.
~chapter 740
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See, from this point on, Iris no longer uses physical attacks, and Isis doesn't go intangible to bypass her magic attacks.
She either kills her magic or turns it into nothingness.
They weren’t something that could be described as a rain of swords anymore. The number of jet-black swords crowded together without any gaps exceeds a billion, and there isn’t even a space for a mouse to pass through. In other words, it has become a black wall made of swords.

Even so, Iris understood that against Isis, a magic like this would be lifted in less than 10 seconds. That’s why, she prepared her next attack……

[……Die.]

[ ! ? ]

However, she didn’t expect that all of the billion magic swords would disappear with just a single word from the King. In front of the serious Isis, even a magic barrage could no longer buy even a second of her time.
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Let’s just say the conclusion. Iris’ idea certainly is right. There is a limit to the amount of magic power that Isis can instantly deactivate, and if the output is too large, she may not be able to deactivate it in time.

……The magic density of the γίγας ἀποκάλυψις, which shot out hundreds of times the magic power poured into it, exceeded Isis’ deactivation speed.

However———— That doesn’t mean that her attack will reach Isis.

[……Cocytus Infinity.]
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So what do we know? Even magic used on a human level without enchantments can interact with Isis in her intangible state, because her usual methods were either to nullify or destroy the magic.
 
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Since Isis's intangible state is different from others, as her "spiritual" existence is the magic power of death, wouldn't that imply basic magic interacting with that..?

Or is her intangible state not like interacting with an authority basically. Feel like this also opens up a can of worms like basic magic interacting with spirit, maybe the soul...affecting memories or something
 
Yup, it implies that magic can interact with all of those and not just concepts. We have a precedent like Epsilon interacting with Miyabi's soul, how certain undead species are just lumps of magic power without a physical body and are ghosts, spirits are born from nature's magic power, and Sechs being able to create souls out of his own magic power. Meanwhile, Alice creating Phenex based on the concept of immortality, so magic itself interacting with concepts seems to be okay in-verse.

And well, Kaito's magic power can already interact with Isis' magic power of death to cover and restrain it in the future.
 
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to be honest... that's not just one time thing only

literally Sechs, Kuro and Alice made a living being with soul, Sechs is an especially important addition because he's Peak Count rank, not anybody with access to immense Godly power like the latter Kuro and Alice, he create soul, and then put it inside his wife (really ****** if you think about it deeply)

so yeah, honestly it kinda tracks
 
This got me thinking further.
[……A power similar to Spiritual Form? And thereby, all physical attacks are nullified huh? However…… that is……]

[Well, something like that. There are lots of opponents that can nullify both physical and magical attacks at peak Count-rank, so I’ll be teaching you how to defeat them in the future. Well, with that out of the way, I guess it’s about time we change the subject…… Isis-san.]
~chapter737
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Iris deducted that Isis' intangibility is similar to spiritual form. For her whose majority of combat experience was when she was alive and at a human level, it implies that she's aware of and has dealt with spiritual forms before. And her confidence didn't wane when knowing that Isis can turn into something similar, seeing that she continues to fight with the idea that she can still interact with her using magic.

This scan, Iris also says spiritual form bypasses all physical attacks but doesn't mention magic.

I'm going to talk about Isis' next.
[……And the third method is?]

[……In my opinion, this is the one I recommend the most. This method requires Isis to “enclose her magic power of death in a magical membrane, preventing it from leaking out”!]

[Ohh! That certainly sounds like the best method to deal with her magic power of death…… Wait, if that’s possible, why didn’t Kuro and the others just tell Isis-san to do that……]

[Unnn, that’s actually the thing. The reason why Lillywood and I can’t do that…… is simple. Kaito-kun, have you ever felt the need to unconsciously resist when someone holds you down by force?]

[……Ahh.]

[Isis is especially strong. If one tries to force her to suppress her magic power, she’ll unconsciously resist…… If I were to forcefully hold her magic power of death down, she would probably feel extremely stressed, to the point where she couldn’t move her body……]

Forcibly suppressing her magic power, putting aside its resistance, is like being restrained by force by an existence that is superior to her own…… That would certainly place too much of a burden on Isis-san.

[……Then, doesn’t that make it impossible?]

[Unnn…… It’s impossible for “me and Lillywood”.]

[……Eh?]

[There may only be one person in this world…… that Isis will accept without resisting, even if unconsciously, and will not make her feel stressed even if her magic power is suppressed.]

[……Are you talking about……]

[……If it’s “Kaito-kun’s magic power”, Isis will accept it, consciously or unconsciously! That’s why I think this is a way that only Kaito-kun can use.]
~chapter 467
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Already we know that other people's magic power can interact with Isis' magic power of death. So I think this is blatant enough that magic has NPI properties. That and magic power itself can become souls is crazy already.

Finally, how does Peak Count ranks nullify magic if spiritual form doesn't bypass magic? In the fight between Iris and Isis, the only methods of nullifying magic throughout is interfering with it from the outside and deactivating it, and revert it into harmless magic power form. And people at lower ranks can and have feats of nullifying magic too, such as Anima's stakes and chain, and the recognition inhibition on Kaito from the start of the story.
[If you only heard that she can’t control her magic power of death, you might assume that Isis-san isn’t very good at controlling her magic power…… but Isis-san’s magic power control techniques are actually the best in the world. It’s just that, even when she has that much control, her magic power of death is just too powerful to control. It’s a piece of cake for her to “interfere with external magic heading towards her and deactivate it”, and even “revert that magic into its simple, harmless magic power form”.]
~chapter 737
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This one here implies that for Isis, nullifying magic this way is a piece of cake for her, which means it's not limited to just her. Seeing as Alice mentioned Peak Counts being able to nullify magic during this fight, the implications are enough to say that they do the same thing but obviously not on Isis' level of ease. I'm aware that this point is speculation, however.
 
Y'all should read the newest WN chapter, there's something crazy that immediately destroy our logic in the hax layering

I swear to Shiro the author may or may not have been visiting vsbw and lurking, because this is helluva coincidence 😭
 
Frankly, I kinda suspected this was how resistance worked in verse. And Lilia said this was a basic taught to her during her knight training, so gaining resistance starts at a human level. It comes down to how practiced or strong your magic power is. Volume of magic power is also important.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Can someone summarize the new info for me, please?
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Nothing too complicated, it's just confirmed that people can warp their magic power on their body to get resistance from status effects. Once they get used to it, it can work on passive. There's also a thing about "sensing the alcohol in their body" so pretty much, they can sense any anomaly in their body.
 
Resistance literally scales to the UES 😭
When Zwei was exposed to Isis' magic power of death the moment she was born, she was later taught how to clad herself in magic power to shield herself from it so she can talk to Isis.
Indeed, it was just as the other Isis said, the Zwei created by Kuromueina had been terribly afraid of Isis when she was just created. Let alone talk to her, she didn’t even try to approach her.

However, that was in the past. Now, Zwei talks to Isis just as she does to the others and adores her as a family member.

[……That is…… But…… now!]

“Unnn. It’s alright now…… “because she had learned how to clad herself in magic power enough to resist our magic power of death”.”
~chapter 1517
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So yeah, it was staring right into our faces the entire time, how the only way to resist against Isis' magic power of death depended on how strong you are, which was about your magic power control and amount.

Here's the scan from the latest chapter that went into detail about it.
[For now, I don’t feel like the alcohol is affecting me, so I’m fine. Also, I can neutralize or dispel status effects, so even if I did get drunk, I could instantly fix it. Well, back when Kaito-san brought Bellfried back, I was deliberately trying to get drunk as a form of escapism……]

[A- Ahaha, sorry about that…… But setting that aside, I often hear about this neutralizing or dispelling of status effects, once you’re on the level of a Count rank, is that something everyone can do?]

[There are some differences depending on personal skill and magic power, but it’s not a particularly difficult technique. To put it very simply, resistance to status effects is a matter of imbuing the magic power you normally wrap your body in with resistance. Once you’re used to it, you can maintain it constantly without thinking about it. It’s actually one of the first things taught in knight training.]

[I see, so the level of resistance depends on how practiced or strong your magic power is huh.]

Come to think of it, Fors-san once said that Laguna-san had such incredibly high resistance that most poisons didn’t work on her. Laguna-san doesn’t seem like the most dexterous type, so it might really come down to the sheer strength and volume of her magic power.

[Dispelling drunkenness isn’t a difficult spell either. If you focus, you can sense how much alcohol is in your body, and then you just use magic power to purge it. That’s the basic idea.]
~chapter 2295
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Now...how will this affect the layering? Will peak Count ranks mantain their resistance or will it be removed anyway?
 
Pegasus is working on the hax layer CRT, but with this new information, he's going to have to revamp the whole thing YET AGAIN 😭

The resistances will stay, maybe even have more layers since high-ranking demons had the same support for their resistances to status effects, but now it exists below at knight level too.
 
I'm pretty sure even the higher order dimensional are gonna be addressed like 1 more time at most next time will be completely forgotten cuz they're not relevant to the story.
 
Legacy30 said:
Pegasus is working on the hax layer CRT, but with this new information, he's going to have to revamp the whole thing YET AGAIN 😭

The resistances will stay, maybe even have more layers since high-ranking demons had the same support for their resistances to status effects, but now it exists below at knight level too.
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Whelp that sandbox has to be changed again😭

But yea now its pretty clear resistances scale based on how powerful you are, so for example all mid tier and up should scale to Laguna's resistance to poisons. More UES evidence.

That said at this point that authority thread might be the last thing I post lol.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Whelp that sandbox has to be changed again😭

But yea now its pretty clear resistances scale based on how powerful you are, so for example all mid tier and up should scale to Laguna's resistance to poisons. More UES evidence.

That said at this point that authority thread might be the last thing I post lol.
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the whole layer things need to change too I believe, we might get layered resistance and hax too, although I am skeptical about the hax part
 
Shouldn't the fact resistance are based on a UES kinda dismiss that layers exist in the first place?
 
I think this kinda proves that Isis' passive has a lot more layers than we expected, so we probably need to ditch resistance negation too
 
only Shiro, and maybe Canalis? She did lower world tree's resistance to fire for smoking after all (Dont think about it too much)
 
From what I understand, everyone has magic, but resistances are gained based on how much magic power you have and your control over it, more magic power & control=more resistance.

In terms of layers, one thing that really jumps out is Isis magic power of death, where the non-serious passive effects can bypass Kaito's blessing which is a magical barrier that power nulls stuff. Though with the blessing no longer granting resistance, but just being power null, it's more so that that magic power of death is stated to be like unstoppable in a sense, making barriers and the like useless.

Using the new information you need to be at least Baron rank to somewhat resist the non-serious passive, with even a Knight who has resistance to status effect not being able to resist it, and then you have the serious passive that even people who could resist the former, can't resist.
 
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