Yuan Qi Explanation on Magic Emperor Verse

[ErzKind]

I think this Explanation will be lengthy because I will also Discuss Yuan Qi in detailed on Magic Emperor Verse.

Is Yuan Qi a Form of Idealism and Nominalism? No.
Firstly, I would like to provide Evidence that Yuan Qi is an Abstract Concept from the Law System.
"Same as Yuan Qi of the Law System?" Ye Tianmiu cried out with wide eyes.
Of course, This is sufficient to prove that Yuan Qi does not belong to the category of Idealism or Nominalism.

So.. Every Cultivators should have a Yuan Qi In The Magic Emperor Verse.. Why? Because every Cultivators in they earliest Realm, namely Foundation Establishment Realm, Which requires them to Build a Foundation within themselves first, Like how we can see Zhuo Fan body had never undergone Cultivation before.

Explanation About : Why Every Cultivators should has Yuan Qi?
As an Proof, After Zhuo Yi-Fan Reincarnated into body named Zhuo Fan, It is Explained that the body named Zhuo Fan has never Practiced Cultivation before.
"This kid is 15 yet has never cultivated. His body is untained."

Then Zhuo Fan stole someone Yuan Qi and Cultivation Level using the Demon Transformation Art Technique. He shows extreme caution toward the Yuan Qi he steals, especially when he is building a Foundation, Because Zhuo Fan was afraid that there would be a rejection due to the Incompatibility between the Yuan Qi he stole and his own.
"Demon Transformation Art might take other's Cultivation as his own, but when was it that easy to steal one's Yuan Qi? Even if he did, it would probably reject him. He needed to show extreme caution, especially now when he was building his foundation.
So, Here the purpose of Yuan Qi is clear Cultivators need Yuan Qi to build their Foundation first.

Just for Justification, Why Zhuo Fan can absorb? Because Zhuo Fan has a Secret Technique that allows him to steal someone Yuan Qi and Cultivation level and make it his own. The name of the Technique is as you just read.

Btw, Which Zhuo Fan absorbed was a Cultivator on 2nd Layers Qi Condensation. Zhuo Fan goal in absorbing it was to use the Yuan Qi he absorbed to build a Foundation in his body, Which had never undergone Cultivation before.
"Not bad, a 2nd layer of Qi Condensation cultivation. Solid foundation material."

Continuing from the Previous Verse when Zhuo Fan is wary of the Yuan Qi he absorbs. Next, Zhuo Fan demonify the Yuan Qi from previous Cultivator first before he absorbing it. Because Zhuo Fan Yuan Qi is clearly different. Zhuo Fan Yuan Qi is Dark Chi, Which is represents black energy or black streams.
Therefore, Zhuo Fan chose to first demonify it before absorbing it.

Taking a deep breath to calm his excitement, his hand tightened and the black streams began to flow back from the guard into his body as the guard himself was withering in front of his naked eye.

An hour later, Zhuo Fan took back his hand and sat cross-legged, beginning to refine the new Yuan Qi.

Followed by Evidence as Below..
The black energy roamed around his body like a flood. Zhuo Fan sank into concentration as he operated the cultivation method to make the energy flow through his meridians, widening them little by little.

The entire power of a Qi Condensation expert flowed through his untrained body. The force was on the verge of bursting his meridians as his forehead broke out in sweat.

But he pushed through because he knew this power could build a never before seen foundation. Such a stable foundation would guarantee an easier and smoother path of cultivation.

Conclusion :
Every Cultivators have a Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 from a Yuan Qi as Lesser Fundamental Energy on Magic Emperor Verse, Because Every Cultivators need to build a Foundation on they earliest Realm. As a little Conclusion, Zhuo Fan also obtained Additional Hax which is Dark Chi / Qi because Zhuo Fan Yuan Qi was black from the beginning. Even before he absorbed Yuan Qi, He had to demonify it first.

Agree : @FinePoint , @DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral :
Disagree :

 

[SweetDao]

I don't see why Yuan Qi should be CM, ngl. I think the postulate is wrong, or at least, that the proof is lacking for now.

A "Special Personal Qi" is something that tends to be common in cultivation novels, like a drop of Origin Blood being different than regular blood, so right now I just see it as a more fundamental/important Qi, maybe stronger one, but not really CM.

 

[Pluto321]

currently same thought as sweet dao

 

[ErzKind]

I don't see why Yuan Qi should be CM, ngl. I think the postulate is wrong, or at least, that the proof are lacking for now.

A "Special Personal Qi" is something that rend to be common in cultivation novels, like a drop of Origin Blood being different than regular blood, so right now I just see it as a more fundamental/important Qi, maybe stronger one, but not really CM.

Why not? Law in General is Abstract thing and it is Independent from Mind thing or we call it such as Idealism ( Nominalism ). Moreover, I already have Evidence to support the premise I have presented in relation to this matter. Not all Chinese novels apply the exact same concept, Of course, there are still slight differences in this regard.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

A "Special Personal Qi" is something that tends to be common in cultivation novels, like a drop of Origin Blood being different than regular blood, so right now I just see it as a more fundamental/important Qi, maybe stronger one, but not really CM.

Yuan Qi Doesn't Function Like Origin Blood origin blood is usually inherited essence tied to lineage (e.g., clan bloodlines or innate power). Yuan Qi, in magic emperor, is not inherited it's cultivated, manipulated, and transformed at will. zhuo fan steals another’s Yuan Qi, refines it manually, demonifies it into a new form, and uses it to build a foundation of self

 

[SweetDao]

Why not? Law in General is Abstract thing and it is Independent from Mind thing or we call it such as Idealism ( Nominalism ). Moreover, I already have Evidence to support the premise I have presented in relation to this matter. Not all Chinese novels apply the exact same concept, Of course, there are still slight differences in this regard.

The scan doesn't say anything about the Yuan Qi being conceptual or abstract in nature. Obviously it's spiritual (due to being Qi) so, yeah, the first scan simply isn't enough to argue CM.

Yuan Qi Doesn't Function Like Origin Blood origin blood is usually inherited essence tied to lineage (e.g., clan bloodlines or innate power). Yuan Qi, in magic emperor, is not inherited it's cultivated, manipulated, and transformed at will. zhuo fan steals another’s Yuan Qi, refines it manually, demonifies it into a new form, and uses it to build a foundation of self

Blood was just an example.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

The scan doesn't say anything about the Yuan Qi being conceptual or abstract in nature. Obviously it's spiritual (due to being Qi) so, yeah, the first scan simply isn't enough to argue CM.

Yuan Qi defines selfhood, incompatible Qi causes metaphysical rejection ,zhuo fan rewrites its nature before forming his foundation

 

[SweetDao]

Yuan Qi defines selfhood, incompatible Qi causes metaphysical rejection ,zhuo fan rewrites its nature before forming his foundation

This is absolutely NOT stated in any scans. If you have more scans to prove this, go on.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Blood was just an example.

Yeah, I just realized it after I already replied, lol

 

[ErzKind]

The scan doesn't say anything about the Yuan Qi being conceptual or abstract in nature. Obviously it's spiritual (due to being Qi) so, yeah, the first scan simply isn't enough to argue CM.

Blood was just an example.

Wdym, Yuan Qi = Law, Law certainly falls as an Abstract thing. So.. Yuan Qi = Abstract thing because Yuan Qi became Law. The evidence I have brought also indicates that Yuan Qi is part of the Law System.

 

[SweetDao]

Wdym, Yuan Qi = Law, Law certainly falls as an Abstract thing. So.. Yuan Qi = Abstract thing because Yuan Qi became Law. The evidence I have brought also indicates that Yuan Qi is part of the Law System.

That it is a part of how the world function doesn't mean it's a law. You have to bring more than an just a "Same as Yuan Qi of the Law System". The sentence doesn't suffice, at all, to give CM.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

This is absolutely NOT stated in any scans. If you have more scans to prove this, go on.

Wait let me found it

 

[Rikimarox2]

Same thoughts as SweetDao, honestly. The only thing that can remotely imply it is "CM" is the whole "Yuan Qi of the Law System", but even that requires far more evidence.

It defining selfhood and being rejected on a metaphysical level, could imply CM, but I've yet to see the scans for that. Disagree till then.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

This is absolutely NOT stated in any scans. If you have more scans to prove this, go on.

Here, we can see that Zhuo Fan has used one of the arts from the manual of the 9 serenities, the life drain, which consists of absorbing the Yuan Qi of others for oneself. Zhuo Fan says that he must be careful because if the absorbed Yuan Qi is not compatible with him, it will be rejected by his soul, which partially proves that Yuan Qi defines identity and that not everyone is compatible.

 

[SweetDao]

Here, we can see that Zhuo Fan has used one of the arts from the manual of the 9 serenities, the life drain, which consists of absorbing the Yuan Qi of others for oneself. Zhuo Fan says that he must be careful because if the absorbed Yuan Qi is not compatible with him, it will be rejected by his soul, which partially proves that Yuan Qi defines identity and that not everyone is compatible.

It says he takes the soul and strength, tho. But even with this, it's not because something is rejected by your soul that it's CM.

To be fair, checking back the meaning of "Yuan Qi" (灵能), it seems more akin to something like "Soul Power", could also mean mystical power, spiritual power etc. So I'd say the manhua is correct in translating it by "soul".

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

It says he takes the soul and strength, tho. But even with this, it's not because something is rejected by your soul that it's CM.

To be fair, checking back the meaning of "Yuan Qi" (灵能), it seems more akin to something like "Soul Power", could also mean mystical power, spiritual power etc. So I'd say the manhua is correct in translating it by "soul".

I'm not talking about CM because personally I don't really understand CM3, but I was responding more to the fact that Yuan Qi is unique to each cultivator, and when I looked up the meaning of “Yuan Qi,” this is what I found.

Here is the sentence about the passage in Chinese where he absorbs the Yuan Qi, saying that it could be rejected. Could we have it translated to get the correct meaning?

"化魔诀或许能将他人的修为据为己有，但元气何时能轻易被窃取？就算窃取了，恐怕也会被排斥。他必须格外小心，尤其是在他正在筑基之际。"

 

[SweetDao]

Here is the sentence about the passage in Chinese where he absorbs the Yuan Qi, saying that it could be rejected. Could we have it translated to get the correct meaning?

You'd have to ask in the translation thread, not here I think, but regardless, it's obviously just some sort of "energy". I don't think it has anything to do with a CM or something. The specificities on how it operate (like the fact it can be rejected by one's soul) isn't really important for the thread imo.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

You'd have to ask in the translation thread, not here I think, but regardless, it's obviously just some sort of "energy". I don't think it has anything to do with a CM or something. The specificities on how it operate (like the fact it can be rejected by one's soul) isn't really important for the thread imo.

Okay thank's you

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not seem CM.

 

[FinePoint]

Is there any evidence manipulating someone's personal Qi has an impact on their entire being?

If it was a Type 3 concept you'd expect something like that. If you can just steal it from someone and not have them either transmogrify or cease to be as a result it kind of calls into question if it's really conceptual.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Is there any evidence manipulating someone's personal Qi has an impact on their entire being?

If it was a Type 3 concept you'd expect something like that. If you can just steal it from someone and not have them either transmogrify or cease to be as a result it kind of calls into question if it's really conceptual.

In itself, the Yuan Qi he stole from him caused the man to die immediately afterwards, but I wouldn't say that he lost his existence, for example.

 

[FinePoint]

In itself, the Yuan Qi he stole from him caused the man to die immediately afterwards, but I wouldn't say that he lost his existence, for example.

Immediate death probably works too.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to Type 3 CM in that case, it's not an ability which really grants much on its own anyways.

So long as its very specific limitations are clear.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Immediate death probably works too.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to Type 3 CM in that case, it's not an ability which really grants much on its own anyways.

So long as its very specific limitations are clear.

The limitation is that not everyone can absorb another cultivator's Yuan Qi, as it may be rejected by their soul and could cause them to die. However, Zhuo Fan is not affected by this thanks to his Art of Demonic Transformation, which allows him to convert and absorb anything.

 

[FinePoint]

The limitation is that not everyone can absorb another cultivator's Yuan Qi, as it may be rejected by their soul and could cause them to die. However, Zhuo Fan is not affected by this thanks to his Art of Demonic Transformation, which allows him to convert and absorb anything.

Well it also presumably only applies to characters from this universe.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Eh bien, cela ne s'applique probablement qu'aux personnages de cet univers.

Yes

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Eh bien, cela ne s'applique probablement qu'aux personnages de cet univers.

I was wrong, it's not really specific to the Magic Emperor universe, but thanks to the art of demonic transformation and his heaven-devouring Black Dragon King soul, Zhuo can absorb anything into existence, but that's only thanks to his soul, he's the only one in the world who can do that...

 

[FinePoint]

Je me suis trompé, ce n'est pas vraiment spécifique à l'univers de l'Empereur Magique, mais grâce à l'art de la transformation démoniaque et à son âme de Roi Dragon Noir dévoreuse de paradis, Zhuo peut absorber tout ce qui existe, mais c'est uniquement grâce à son âme, il est le seul au monde à pouvoir faire ça.

Please use English.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Please use English.

It’s good

 

[Orioreeem]

Please use English.

The post is in English for me. This site is waky

I was wrong, it's not really specific to the Magic Emperor universe, but thanks to the art of demonic transformation and his heaven-devouring Black Dragon King soul, Zhuo can absorb anything into existence, but that's only thanks to his soul, he's the only one in the world who can do that...

 

[FinePoint]

The post is in English for me. This site is waky

Well your quote of it is in English, at least, so that works, thanks.

"I was wrong, it's not really specific to the Magic Emperor universe, but thanks to the art of demonic transformation and his heaven-devouring Black Dragon King soul, Zhuo can absorb anything into existence, but that's only thanks to his soul, he's the only one in the world who can do that..."

That said, I still think there might be a translation issue because "absorb anything into existence" doesn't really make sense.

 

[Orioreeem]

Well your quote of it is in English, at least, so that works, thanks.

I don't know why this happens but it is not the first time. It's so weird. Someone should finally take a look at this

 

[FinePoint]

I don't know why this happens but it is not the first time. It's so weird. Someone should finally take a look at this

To be honest, I'm not sure how the translations function at all.

You should ask Ant about it or something.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Well your quote of it is in English, at least, so that works, thanks.

"I was wrong, it's not really specific to the Magic Emperor universe, but thanks to the art of demonic transformation and his heaven-devouring Black Dragon King soul, Zhuo can absorb anything into existence, but that's only thanks to his soul, he's the only one in the world who can do that..."

That said, I still think there might be a translation issue because "absorb anything into existence" doesn't really make sense.

No, Zhuo can absorb everything in existence, whether it's energy such as IQ, laws such as celestial paths, abstract concepts such as space or time, souls, etc. This is what "absorbing everything in existence" means.

 

[FinePoint]

No, Zhuo can absorb everything in existence, whether it's energy such as IQ, laws such as celestial paths, abstract concepts such as space or time, souls, etc. This is what "absorbing everything in existence" means.

So that is what you meant. You said (or it was translated to) "into" which changed the meaning entirely.

What's the scan for this, again?

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

So that is what you meant. You said (or it was translated to) "into" which changed the meaning entirely.

What's the scan for this, again?

Here

 

[FinePoint]

Here

Hmm. Could be hyperbole and/or a NLF.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Hmm. Could be hyperbole and/or a NLF.

I'd be fine with like a "Possibly Low 1-C with Absorption" I guess.

What do you mean by Low 1- C?

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Hmm. Could be hyperbole and/or a NLF.

I'd be fine with like a "Possibly Low 1-C with Absorption" I guess.

I get the impression that you're taking every possible statement as hyperbole, whereas in this case there's no room for hyperbole at all. It says that he can absorb anything and everything in existence. We're talking about a large-scale absorption capacity with a limit which is everything in existence, and we know that in Magic Emperor's existence there are the universal laws of time and space, celestial paths which are also universal laws, souls, Yuan Qi type energies, the cycle of reincarnations via the Nether, etc....

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

5D.

hmmm, i thought this thread for cm type 3, it's make me confused

 

[FinePoint]

hmmm, i thought this thread for cm type 3, it's make me confused

Sorry, that's my bad. I thought this was the Zhuo Fan thread, lmao.

I'm very tired, I need to take a break, I hope you understand.

(Edit: I realize now it's because the name 'Zhuo' was also brought up here which does make me feel slightly less stupid.
Youngwolf is also part of both threads. The one I got it confused with is here.)