1-A rick and morty

[Napoleondevious]

Hello, i was reading rick and morty comics and found something that can possibly qualify for our definition of 1-A;
So its basically a lovecraft x rick and morty comics

Azathoth
The main piece of evidence is that all of reality might be azathoth's dream (fifth paragraph)
for some sort of supportive evidence,
beth is a reliable source as she is portrayed as having ascended in some way after getting amped, she also considers the end of reality as a topic worthy for her to talk about
The great old ones are stated by beth to be beyond time and space, another time too (not by beth)
weaker monsters such as dagon are stated to be beyond human comprehension

Who scales
Well, rick is portrayed as insignificant in comparison to azathoth, so surely not him.

Beth on the other hand can maybe scale to azathoth.
throughout the comics, rick, morty and summer were "amped" by different lovecraft-like monsters
Morty by dagon, summer by nyarlathothep and rick by the yith race
they were all pretty much physically amped by them, morty said it verbatim, and summer could stalemate with morty after his amp, so she should also have been amped by nyarlathothep.
Rick however was not amped, or at least not stated to be, the yith are implied to be pacifist and intellectuals instead of fighters, so thats expected.

Beth now, was seemingly amped by far greater monsters, so much that rick's technology was not effective in the slightest against her.
She also seems to refer to the great old ones when rick tries to escape her, as if it was a direct implication that trying to escape her equates trying to escape the great old ones.
the way beth was amped was from interacting with "the color out of space", jerry also touched the liquid but got sick instead

Conclusion
Azathoth should scale to Outerverse, or at least a Likely rating, considering that azathoth "might" been dreaming reality, is beyond space and time and human comprehension.

Beth now should possibly scale to Azathoth, so either Likely or Possibly.
Beth doesnt have a profile yet, so if she gets one she needs to keys, her base and her amped version.

1-A azathoth (if agree, please specify which rating)
agree : @Saqphire @Tank1418 @RigelBR7 @Re5yh
neutral : @HenshinIntervention
disagree : @KaramcaS

1-A amped beth (same as before)
agree : @RigelBR7
neutral : @Saqphire @HenshinIntervention @Tank1418 @Re5yh
disagree : @KaramcaS

 

[Napoleondevious]

Sorry for the inconvenience
@Udlmaster @ShionAH
you guys are knowledgeable members

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Normal members can't ping people. You should ask them on their walls or in a private message to come here

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Neutral, will wait for knowledgeable members on tier 1 for further input.

 

[Saqphire]

Should be fine for Azathoth, given that the ”reality” seen as a dream is the baseline one. Neutral on Beth tho

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Sorry for the inconvenience
@Udlmaster @ShionAH
you guys are knowledgeable members

ShionAH leave vsbw

 

[Napoleondevious]

ShionAH leave vsbw

Ah didnt know that, thanks.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Ah didnt know that, thanks.

Did you send something by mistake?

 

[Napoleondevious]

Did you send something by mistake?

Yes im on my phone and got bad internet so i was spamming the "post reply" button, it got sent multiple times

 

[Napoleondevious]

bump

 

[Tank1418]

BUMP

 

[Tank1418]

I agree with 1A azathoth but not sure about Belt(neutral)

 

[Tank1418]

I wonder what method he used to interact with Azathoth?

 

[RigelBR7]

I wonder what method he used to interact with Azathoth?

I read this comic. He is taken to Azathoth's presence by Azathoth himself, after he destroys Cthulhu's physical body. Azathoth in this comic is conscious and talks to him of his own free will.

 

[RigelBR7]

And yes.. I agree, it's perfect.

 

[Tank1418]

bump

 

[KaramcaS]

The main piece of evidence is that all of reality might be azathoth's dream

Not enough for Outerverse or R>F of course, its not just that simple

beth is a reliable source as she is portrayed as having ascended in some way after getting amped, she also considers the end of reality as a topic worthy for her to talk about

the word of "ascended" is used by you because of your own thoughts but I just see an Power Up. It may seem like a normal word, but it can lead to misunderstandings, so be careful. The last part has nothing to do with Outer anyway

The great old ones are stated by beth to be beyond time and space, another time too

It is a statement that is made for almost all powerful characters, and is empty unless direct evidence is presented. If we really consider the existences beyond space time, we still do not get a result of Outer or R>F. Hax like BDE1 are possible.

weaker monsters such as dagon are stated to be beyond human comprehension

its just a expression, A statement that expresses that they are very strong, but it is empty. If you turn on the TV you can see the same thing being said about a bear.

And it is impossible for F to reach or interact with R at R>F

I definitely disagree with the OP

 

[Napoleondevious]

Not enough for Outerverse or R>F of course, its not just that simple

how is it not enough for r>f ? space and time (reality) are fictious to azathoth (its dream)

he word of "ascended" is used by you because of your own thoughts but I just see an Power Up. It may seem like a normal word, but it can lead to misunderstandings, so be careful. The last part has nothing to do with Outer anyway

that was not the point

It is a statement that is made for almost all powerful characters, and is empty unless direct evidence is presented. If we really consider the existences beyond space time, we still do not get a result of Outer or R>F. Hax like BDE1 are possible.

again that was not supposed to prove 1-A on its own, just in conjonction with the r>f

its just a expression, A statement that expresses that they are very strong, but it is empty. If you turn on the TV you can see the same thing being said about a bear.

okay?

 

[Tank1418]

Not enough for Outerverse or R>F of course, its not just that simple

Seeing reality as merely a dream is already enough to meet the R>F standard.
What makes reaching R>F so difficult is that characters who exist within a lower reality can directly interact with things that transcend dreams, books, cards, TV etc.

 

[SweetDao]

Seeing reality as merely a dream is already enough to meet the R>F standard.

Nah, you need a bit more than that. I had the same situation with another verse but the "everything is the dream of X" was too vague sadly, that what Ultima said at that time tho. Here at least you have the correlation of space and time, ig.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

If I'm not wrong, 1-A Madoka was rejected because you need explicit mentions of a higher source allowing a lower character to ascend, something like divine predestination.

I don’t see anything pointing to that in the thread. I disagree with the upgrade; at best, you could try to argue Low 1-A (still unlikely, but better).

 

[Napoleondevious]

If I'm not wrong, 1-A Madoka was rejected because you need explicit mentions of a higher source allowing a lower character to ascend, something like divine predestination.

I don’t see anything pointing to that in the thread. I disagree with the upgrade; at best, you could try to argue Low 1-A (still unlikely, but better).

Thing is, if you accept beth being 1-A (for the sake of studying the possibility of the "anti feat" your outlining), you by definition accept the "color out of space" being 1-A (since beth is scales off it), and so beth is amped by this supposedly 1-A source so it isnt contradictory

Beth scaling hinges on the color out of space being maybe comparable to azathoth for the sake of being cthuluhian essence (or something like that) and so sharing the same race as azathoth (great old ones), if anything it simply disproves "color out of space" being 1-A, not azathoth

The main objective is to get azathoth to 1-A, i dont mind beth not scaling to azathoth.

 

[Napoleondevious]

Nah, you need a bit more than that. I had the same situation with another verse but the "everything is the dream of X" was too vague sadly, that what Ultima said at that time tho. Here at least you have the correlation of space and time, ig.

Soooo agree ? Or a specific rating like likely/possibly? Or neutral?

 

[Tank1418]

I had the same situation with another verse but the "everything is the dream of X" was too vague sadly, that what Ultima said at that time tho.

Can you share the link? It seems like I missed the news.

"everything is the dream of X" was too vague sadly, that what Ultima said at that time tho.

1 We know that Azathoth is beyond all reality, including time, and that it is merely a dream.
2 He sees Rick as insignificant, even though Rick has a tier scale of 1-C.
3 He claimed to be the original existential.
If these things don't make it 1-A or likely/possibly 1-A, then can it still be considered+1D, or could something else be used to replace it instead?

Here at least you have the correlation of space and time, ig.

What do you think that could help with?

 

[RigelBR7]

I must emphasize that none of the other old ones or Beth scales to Azathoth, even though it is beyond space and time, and matter. Azathoth is a special case that sees everything as a dream. In the same Comic Azathoth quotes to Rick that he is just a dream of two idiotic guys, referindo the authors, something like that, i dont remember all. The Azathoth R>F seems valid for me yet. Beth and the great old can be low 1-C, possibly 1-A?? And Azathoth 1-A, possibly 1-A of two layers.

 

[Tank1418]

I must emphasize that none of the other old ones or Beth scales to Azathoth, even though it is beyond space and time, and matter. Azathoth is a special case that sees everything as a dream. In the same Comic Azathoth quotes to Rick that he is just a dream of two idiotic guys, referindo the authors, something like that, i dont remember all. The Azathoth R>F seems valid for me yet. Beth and the great old can be low 1-C, possibly 1-A?? And Azathoth 1-A, possibly 1-A of two layers.

Isn't the Great Old One supposed to refer to Azathoth?

 

[Napoleondevious]

I must emphasize that none of the other old ones or Beth scales to Azathoth, even though it is beyond space and time, and matter. Azathoth is a special case that sees everything as a dream. In the same Comic Azathoth quotes to Rick that he is just a dream of two idiotic guys, referindo the authors, something like that, i dont remember all. The Azathoth R>F seems valid for me yet. Beth and the great old can be low 1-C, possibly 1-A?? And Azathoth 1-A, possibly 1-A of two layers.

Should i remove beth scaling then? i think we re better with beth not scaling to azathoth and azathoth being 1-A baseline, since not much proves anything below azathoth is 1-A yet

 

[Lukewoesal007]

The main piece of evidence is that all of reality might be azathoth's dream (fifth paragraph)
for some sort of supportive evidence,

Even at the most generous interpretation, this is possibly 1-A, and no one scales.

 

[Napoleondevious]

Even at the most generous interpretation, this is possibly 1-A, and no one scales.

Mind giving a reason ?
Should i count you as agreeing? (possibly rating ofc)

I agree on the latter part, i think i might remove beth possible scaling

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Mind giving a reason ?

The only piece of evidence here that actually suggests 1-A is the very first scan about Azathoth. I think simply having a statement of reality being the dream of an entity isn't enough to warrant a 1-A for the character without further evidence which makes the nature of its transcendence clearer. Even if that one statement was enough to secure 1-A, it's still just framed as speculation by the writer.

Should i count you as agreeing? (possibly rating ofc)

Nah, I don't agree with either.

 

[Napoleondevious]

The only piece of evidence here that actually suggests 1-A is the very first scan about Azathoth. I think simply having a statement of reality being the dream of an entity isn't enough to warrant a 1-A for the character without further evidence which makes the nature of its transcendence clearer. Even if that one statement was enough to secure 1-A, it's still just framed as speculation by the writer.

Character has r>f, r>f scales to outer, so character is outer, thats simple.

The only piece of evidence is a valid one, it is sufficient proof of r>f and it itself is proof of qualitative superiority, this otherness in being is supported in some way by beyond space and time + comprehension

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Character has r>f, r>f scales to outer, so character is outer, thats simple.

The only piece of evidence is a valid one, it is sufficient proof of r>f and it itself is proof of qualitative superiority, this otherness in being is supported in some way by beyond space and time + comprehension

I don't think this is true, though. Nothing about the scan necessarily implies that Azathoth is transcendent over his dream, and, again, this is all framed as speculation by whoever wrote the book, so it's far from definitive.

 

[Napoleondevious]

I don't think this is true, though. Nothing about the scan necessarily implies that Azathoth is transcendent over his dream, and, again, this is all framed as speculation by whoever wrote the book, so it's far from definitive.

Not at all, you just said it, its his dream, so he is transcendent over it by definition, please read the reality fiction page.

It being speculative doesnt totally disprove the feat, thats why i mentionned likely/possibly ratingq

 

[Tank1418]

Nah, Goku solo

Can you share the link? It seems like I missed the news.

1 We know that Azathoth is beyond all reality, including time, and that it is merely a dream.
2 He sees Rick as insignificant, even though Rick has a tier scale of 1-C.
3 He claimed to be the original existential.
If these things don't make it 1-A or likely/possibly 1-A, then can it still be considered+1D, or could something else be used to replace it instead(BDE 1)?

Yoo, Wat du yu think?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Re5yh]

I agree with both

 

[FinePoint]

2 He sees Rick as insignificant, even though Rick has a tier scale of 1-C.

Isn't that only as the Devil?

 

[Tank1418]

Isn't that only as the Devil.

Here, Rick said 'It's all meaningless' because he couldn't do anything.

 

[Napoleondevious]

bump

 

[Tank1418]

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