Superalloy Darkshine (One-Punch Man) vs Raiden Tameemon (Record of Ragnarok) [0-0-0]

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is not a death match, this is a fight in a tournament setting so both sides are in-character, speed is equalized and Raiden starts in his first Key but can access his full power if he wants to.

Darkshine :

Tameemon :

Incon :

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah going with Raiden here. Raiden has the AP advantage big time and we all know what happened when Darkshine is faced against a stronger opponent.
Raiden, low-mid diff.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah going with Raiden here. Raiden has the AP advantage big time and we all know what happened when Darkshine is faced against a stronger opponent.
Raiden, low-mid diff.

I think Darkshine might be the more skilled fighter here since he has experience fighting people like Bang and Garou but yeah, Raiden has a noticeable AP advantage. Also Darkshine has way better LS.

 

[Kachon123]

Darkshine casually FAR upscales from this value, and his durability even moreso. I don't see him getting knocked around or even damaged easily.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Darkshine casually FAR upscales from this value, and his durability even moreso. I don't see him getting knocked around or even damaged easily.

What exactly is his value? Raiden in Base is also heavily upscaling from Lu Bu's cloud split calc and his full power is over twice that.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

What exactly is his value? Raiden in Base is also heavily upscaling from Lu Bu's cloud split calc and his full power is over twice that.

I think the maximum is 315.12 Megatons.

Raiden is 467.39 Megatons

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think the maximum is 315.12 Megatons.

Raiden is 467.39 Megatons

So Raiden is over twice as strong as Darkshine at his peak in power, good to know.

 

[Kachon123]

So Raiden is over twice as strong as Darkshine at his peak in power, good to know.

Darkshine can casually oneshot people who upscale from that value and he doesn't know how to put a scratch on his body. He has several internal AP amps such as bulking his muscles and certain attacks that allow him to dish how much more powerful blows.

 

[Kachon123]

Not to mention, most of Raiden's techniques require him to grab his opponent. Darkshine has much higher LS than Raiden so if he tries this it can only go poorly for him.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Darkshine can casually oneshot people who upscale from that value and he doesn't know how to put a scratch on his body. He has several internal AP amps such as bulking his muscles and certain attacks that allow him to dish how much more powerful blows.

His profile makes no mention of any stat boosts.

 

[Kachon123]

His profile makes no mention of any stat boosts.

Something like this or this compared to this. He can bulk up his muscles and size to vastly increase the power of his attacks.

 

[MrTayman616]

It's not an amp via some ability. Just physically using more strength

Btw, Garou can deflect and redirect an attack with 2x power, yet Darkshine was strong to the point even deflecting it wasn't possible. Shouldn't he scale above 2x the value as Garou is capable of delivering that level of power via martial arts.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Something like this or this compared to this. He can bulk up his muscles and size to vastly increase the power of his attacks.

I wasn't saying I don't believe you, I'm just confused why these aren't on his profile. Either way I'm not seeing any quantifiable increases so he's still weaker than Base Raiden, who again, hilariously upscales his value just like Darkshine does since he's the physically strongest dude on the Human's side which means he upscales from everyone else, who already upscale from Alive Lu Bu's feat pretty noticeably due to the fact that none of the Human fighters would be strong enough to fight any of the Gods properly without a Volundr which brings out their latent potential.

 

[Kachon123]

I wasn't saying I don't believe you, I'm just confused why these aren't on his profile. Either way I'm not seeing any quantifiable increases so he's still weaker than Base Raiden, who again, hilariously upscales his value just like Darkshine does since he's the physically strongest dude on the Human's side which means he upscales from everyone else, who already upscale from Alive Lu Bu's feat pretty noticeably due to the fact that none of the Human fighters would be strong enough to fight any of the Gods properly without a Volundr which brings out their latent potential.

Darkshine with his weaker attacks being able to one-shot a Garou who already far evolved from a version of himself who could shrug off his value. Him having the potential to dish out even stronger attacks, and not being aware of how to even scratch himself and you want to say that base Raiden is above him? I heavily doubt it. He'll have to find some unconventional way around Darkshine's durability that doesn't rely on LS like most of his kit due to his inferiority in that category.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Darkshine with his weaker attacks being able to one-shot a Garou who already far evolved from a version of himself who could shrug off his value. Him having the potential to dish out even stronger attacks, and not being aware of how to even scratch himself and you want to say that base Raiden is above him? I heavily doubt it. He'll have to find some unconventional way around Darkshine's durability that doesn't rely on LS like most of his kit due to his inferiority in that category.

Even if Base Raiden isn't, 100 Seals Unleashed Raiden definitely is since he's literally twice as strong as his base self (who is physically superior to Darkshine going purely off of their calcs which you can't ignore) and has an attack that upscales that in the form of Teppou albeit using that hurts him in the process. Considering Garou could beat his ass without having an AP value above Lu Bu's, let alone Raiden's, then I'm pretty confident that if Raiden punched Darkshine in the face that he'd be feeling that.

 

[Kachon123]

Even if Base Raiden isn't, 100 Seals Unleashed Raiden definitely is since he's literally twice as strong as his base self (who is physically superior to Darkshine going purely off of their calcs which you can't ignore) and has an attack that upscales that in the form of Teppou albeit using that hurts him in the process. Considering Garou could beat his ass without having an AP value above Lu Bu's, let alone Raiden's, then I'm pretty confident that if Raiden punched Darkshine in the face that he'd be feeling that.

Garou despite having ample time to evolve after having already evolved from being above this value couldn't scratch Darkshine even until the end of their fight without using honed durability negation. Raiden doesn't have this. Darkshine's durability is arguably 2x above his value due to tanking his attacks redirected with 2x the force without any injuries.

 

[Mickey1940]

Garou despite having ample time to evolve after having already evolved from being above this value couldn't scratch Darkshine even until the end of their fight without using honed durability negation. Raiden doesn't have this. Darkshine's durability is arguably 2x above his value due to tanking his attacks redirected with 2x the force without any injuries.

Half Monster Garou significantly downscales from the Gyoro Gyoro calc, as Gyoro Gyoro is superior to Overgrown Rover, who stomped Garou and made him think he was gonna die from 1 energy blast.

Darkshine violated Half Monster Garou in a similar fashion, putting him in the same ballpark as Rover and Gyoro Gyoro

meaning Darkshine scales relative to if not a bit above the 315 Megaton calc

which is still lower than even Base Raiden, much less 100 Seals Released Raiden

voting Raiden

 

[MrTayman616]

Half Monster Garou significantly downscales from the Gyoro Gyoro calc, as Gyoro Gyoro is superior to Overgrown Rover, who stomped Garou and made him think he was gonna die from 1 energy blast.

That's not the same Garou.

The difference between Garou who thought he'd die and Garou who later tanked that attack is massive.

After getting hit, he overcomed death and had an explosive growth.

 

[Mickey1940]

That's not the same Garou.

The difference between Garou who thought he'd die and Garou who later tanked that attack is massive.

After getting hit, he overcomed death and had an explosive growth.

Half Monster Garou is the key we're using for both the Darkshine fight and the Rover fight, as stated on his profile

 

[MrTayman616]

Half Monster Garou is the key we're using for both the Darkshine fight and the Rover fight, as stated on his profile

Yes. That key isn't stuck on a single level. That key has different tiers in it. Darkshine Garou fought is massively stronger than the one who fought against Rover. And the Garou who fought against Rover is massively stronger than the one who knew he'd die from that energy blast.

But the key is the same as all of them are "half-monster" version of Garou.

 

[Mickey1940]

Yes. That key isn't stuck on a single level. That key has different tiers in it. Darkshine Garou fought is massively stronger than the one who fought against Rover. And the Garou who fought against Rover is massively stronger than the one who knew he'd die from that energy blast.

But the key is the same as all of them are "half-monster" version of Garou.

oh

ok then that makes things a lot more complicated

do we know how much stronger Garou grew?

 

[Kachon123]

oh

ok then that makes things a lot more complicated

do we know how much stronger Garou grew?

Thought he would die from Rover's blast -> Tanked several -> Surpassed Gyoro's ability -> Grew over time against Orochi -> Explosive Near death growth -> One-shot Pri-Pri Prisoner through his Bristle Armor while asleep -> one-shot by casual Darkshine -> Explosive exponential growth over time = one-shot by Atomic Samurai = still couldn't scratch Darkshine without durability negation and with it was still minor = Darkshine's AP

 

[Mickey1940]

Thought he would die from Rover's blast -> Tanked several -> Surpassed Gyoro's ability -> Grew over time against Orochi -> Explosive Near death growth -> One-shot Pri-Pri Prisoner through his Bristle Armor while asleep -> one-shot by casual Darkshine -> Explosive exponential growth over time = one-shot by Atomic Samurai = still couldn't scratch Darkshine without durability negation and with it was still minor = Darkshine's AP

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ok yeah I don't think Raiden takes this then, Darkshine massively upscales from his calc by at least 1 OHKO worthy level