Guts vs Maul - Rematch

[Phsccarvalho]

They're still torn through by lightsabers very easily. The bullshit part is that they survive the wound even though it should be a guaranteed kill

Speaking of which, what's your vote?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Speaking of which, what's your vote?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So make a crt, as long as it is accepted, it is accepted and usable.

show me the CRT it was accepted in

You're saying that Guts's resistance to heat is greater than the temperature of the lightsaber.

Yes, it is. Because a lightsaber's temperature range varies between 20K to 25K degrees celcius. lightning is 27.7K Degrees celcius.

I don't understand, none of them have temperature calculations telling the temperature value. So where are you getting those 25K talk from

Are you done?

You know that this guy doesn't even have heat resistance and that according to the wiki, normal fire would boil him, right?

You know that Heat resistance can go unlisted on the profiles because there's no page for it, right?

Again, we don't have any exact temperature values.

Google it then, christ it's like there's not been any research on how hot lightning makes things.

If you want to compare lightning to lightning, Force lightning that is accepted as real lightning doesn't roast Jedi, but lightsabers cut through them like butter.

And it always temporarily incaps them. That's not resistance, that's surviving it.

 

[Arkenis]

I mean the imagine of him being engulfed in the lightning, in the sky, is right there. But I don’t remember the chapter number on the top of my head, just look up Guts Zodd team up chapters

I wanted context. And looking at it, they're not being hit by a direct bolt of lightning, they're flying through Ganeshka and getting shocked. The feats overall unimpressive due to Zodd taking the lightning and it just not being a bolt.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Dude, we don't have a set temperature for the lightsaber.

Haven't you seen the lightsaber page?

There's no listed heat on that page.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

show me the CRT it was accepted in

It's literally in the profiles, again, where do you think MHS+ comes from?

Are you done?

Lightning varies in temperature.

You know that Heat resistance can go unlisted on the profiles because there's no page for it, right?

All heat resistances are linked to the temperature page. Don't you look at the profiles? Guts' own profile, like many others on the wiki, has this. That's no excuse.

Google it then, christ it's like there's not been any research on how hot lightning makes things.

The temperatures of the beam vary, so we need to have calculations or statements.

And it always temporarily incaps them. That's not resistance, that's surviving it.

Disabling because it causes a lot of pain, but do you see them burnt? Badly burned? No.

Shit, Luke took several force lightning strikes and got up without any burns right after Darth Sidius stopped using them.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

There's no listed heat on that page.

I just said that there is no set temperature for the lightsaber currently.

 

[azontr]

they're flying through Ganeshka and getting shocked

Ganishka is literally made of clouds and summons lightning from himself. If they are flying through Ganishka, they are taking the temperature of lightning bolts he produces from within his mist body.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I wanted context. And looking at it, they're not being hit by a direct bolt of lightning, they're flying through Ganeshka and getting shocked. The feats overall unimpressive due to Zodd taking the lightning and it just not being a bolt.

Do I need to pull Maul screaming on the ground after short contact with casual force lightning? Walking into lightning and being fine is better than any of these star wars folks got lmfao

It's literally in the profiles, again, where do you think MHS+ comes from?

Ninja edits. Put on the pages before any revisions and wasn't questioned. Other shit. Hell for all we know Obi-Wan dancing through a battlefield casually deflecting blaster bolts is where it comes from lmfao

I'm not saying I don't believe it, I'm saying that if it's lost to the ether then you need to run it by again.

And what is the source of this quote?

Weather.gov, ya know, something you could read and list as a source and it would be accepted put in an american college essay as a source?

All heat resistances are linked to the temperature page. Don't you look at the profiles? Guts' own profile, like many others on the wiki, has this. That's no excuse.

Now show me where the temperature page lists heat resistance in it. People only link to that page because there's no extreme temperatures page for shit.

The temperatures of the beam vary, so we need to have calculations or statements.

Then list the estimate you melon.

Disabling because it causes a lot of pain, but do you see them burnt? Badly burned? No.

Shit, Luke took several force lightning strikes and got up without any burns right after Darth Sidius stopped using them.

Which is not tanking it or even resisting it, it's surviving it.

In fact, where in those profiles is Heat Resistance that you so tote on Yujiro's profile lacking? Because I for sure can't find it.

 

[Arkenis]

Ganishka is literally made of clouds and summons lightning from himself. If they are flying through Ganishka, they are taking the temperature of lightning bolts he produces from within his mist body.

So flying through storm clouds makes you resist a full bolt of lightning?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So flying through storm clouds makes you resist a full bolt of lightning?

When you come out covered in lightning arcing across your body and weapon, yes.

 

[Catbowtie]

Do I need to pull Maul screaming on the ground after short contact with casual force lightning?

Is it this one?

 

[Arkenis]

Do I need to pull Maul screaming on the ground after short contact with casual force lightning? Walking into lightning and being fine is better than any of these star wars folks got lmfao

Not relevant here unless Guts has some powerful fire manip or lightning he uses. Maybe I missed where Guts has that or why Maul's resistance matters

When you come out covered in lightning arcing across your body and weapon, yes.

How does that prove they received a full lightning bolt's energy?

 

[azontr]

Lightning varies in temperature.

This is correct, there is a range. However, 99% of google searches will give you a specific temperature of 50K Fahrenheit. The only source that mentions a range is this:

What is thunder? How hot is lightning?

What is the temperature of a lightning bolt? How fast does the sound travel?

www.iweathernet.com

Which is not considered to be a consistently accurate source by many and is from an article written over a decade ago. Every other source you can find will list the temperature of the air heated up by a lightning bolt as 5 times hotter than the sun.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is it this one?

You'd need to get the clip after it to show Sidious stopped for a bit, but yes

 

[azontr]

So flying through storm clouds makes you resist a full bolt of lightning?

If the argument is that taking a bolt of lightning while on the ground means you don't take the full brunt of its energy (which is correct), then yes, literally flying through a bunch of lightning bolts means exactly what. What exactly is your argument?

 

[Keeweed]

How does that prove they received a full lightning bolt's energy?

He is literally flying into it, being fully engulfed by it, and can rod the lightning directly into his body. What else does he need!?

 

[Keeweed]

“Not relevant here unless Guts has some powerful fire manip or lightning he uses. Maybe I missed where Guts has that or why Maul's resistance matters”
You missed why it was brought up. It’s because if Jedi and sith don’t scale the lightsaber can’t cut guts because the list temperatures are beneath lightning

 

[Keeweed]

The lightning guts took was stated to be stronger than normal lightning and we don’t have that effect the temperature. Same thing applies to sidious and his lightning vaporized him.

 

[Arkenis]

He is literally flying into it, being fully engulfed by it, and can rod the lightning directly into his body. What else does he need!?

I'm unaware, where is it said that just flying through a storm cloud means you are tanking a full bolt's energy?

If the argument is that taking a bolt of lightning while on the ground means you don't take the full brunt of its energy (which is correct), then yes, literally flying through a bunch of lightning bolts means exactly what. What exactly is your argument?

Yeah I don't see those as literal bolts and just seem to be regular electrical arcs since they're flying through the guy who can create lightning bolts. And like I asked, where is it said that doing this means you tank a full bolt of lightning's energy.

 

[Keeweed]

You just going to ignore the lightning in the shot engulfing Guts and Zodd? That core they are stabbing is where all the lightning in the chapter comes from

 

[Catbowtie]

You'd need to get the clip after it to show Sidious stopped for a bit, but yes

How's this?

 

[azontr]

Yeah I don't see those as literal bolts and just seem to be regular electrical arcs since they're flying through the guy who can create lightning bolts.

He creates it within himself. He's a cloud. The lightning they experience inside of him is the same he fires.

Either way, Ganishka literally hits them with a bolt as they are flying towards him, before they enter his body, so regardless they are still resisting his lightning.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

How's this?

I don't see why Sidious' much more powerful Force Lightning should be taken as the standard here because that does far more damage than Dooku's lightning

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't see why Sidious' much more powerful Force Lightning should be taken as the standard here because that does far more damage than Dooku's lightning

He was also extremely casual the entire fight lmfao

 

[Catbowtie]

I don't see why Sidious' much more powerful Force Lightning should be taken as the standard here because that does far more damage than Dooku's lightning

Never watched Star Wars a day in my life and only know about it through Pop Culture and the incessant hate of the Trilogy with Rey, despite this, Dooku is my favorite Jedi

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

He was also extremely casual the entire fight lmfao

I don't see how that should dispute Savage taking multiple blasts of Force Lightning from Dooku in a short timeframe. It's not even an issue considering we know Sidious is vastly more powerful than Dooku

 

[Keeweed]

I don't see why Sidious' much more powerful Force Lightning should be taken as the standard here because that does far more damage than Dooku's lightning

Because that doesn’t affect temperature. Same reason Guts, Luffy, the monster hunter, and the Bloodborne Hunter aren’t higher.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Because that doesn’t affect temperature. Same reason Guts and Luffy aren’t higher.

No, it would just be higher in an unquantifiable way. Either way, there's already an avenue to this through Savage. Even supposing Maul didn't have any resistance whatsoever, lightsabers still cutting through Savage like butter matters for lightsabers' heat

 

[Keeweed]

That’s never how it’s been treated by staff so you’ll need to make a thread on that.

 

[Keeweed]

Also what is Savage and how does it relate to cutting through Guy’s heat resistance?

 

[azontr]

Can someone tell me Maul's AP here? There are two 8-A calcs on the Star Wars verse page and his profile fails to mention which he scales to.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That’s never how it’s been treated by staff so you’ll need to make a thread on that.

Anything that can be reasoned in a self-evident way can be argued in a versus thread. But sure. Supposing someone were to make a revision on this, discussion here would have to pause

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Ninja edits. Put on the pages before any revisions and wasn't questioned. Other shit. Hell for all we know Obi-Wan dancing through a battlefield casually deflecting blaster bolts is where it comes from lmfao

I'm not saying I don't believe it, I'm saying that if it's lost to the ether then you need to run it by again.

Literally in the calculation comments there are former calculation group staff who accepted the calculations.

Weather.gov, ya know, something you could read and list as a source and it would be accepted put in an american college essay as a source?

I edited it, I read it wrong, I thought it was talking about something else.

Now show me where the temperature page lists heat resistance in it. People only link to that page because there's no extreme temperatures page for shit.

We index it as "Heat resistance" and link the word to the temperature page, literally everyone does this. And this is always accepted by the staff as a way of indexing resistance.

Then list the estimate you melon.

Plasma temperatures vary, from the surface of the sun, lightning, or hundreds of thousands of degrees.

Which is not tanking it or even resisting it, it's surviving it.

In fact, where in those profiles is Heat Resistance that you so tote on Yujiro's profile lacking? Because I for sure can't find it.

Actually, I think I'll look at SW heat feats to put in later. Since it's going to be hard to calculate the saber temperature now.
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Actually, I think I'll look at SW heat feats to add later. Since it's going to be hard to calculate the saber's temperature now.

Since I've just learned about the decrease in lightning temperature against someone on the ground, I'll leave that argument to myself, since I don't know any more about it.

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I assume you vote for Guts?

 

[Keeweed]

Anything that can be reasoned in a self-evident way can be argued in a versus thread. But supposing someone were to make a revision on this, discussion here would have to pause

That’s not a self evident thing, that’s a site standard.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Can someone tell me Maul's AP here? There are two 8-A calcs on the Star Wars verse page and his profile fails to mention which he scales to.

Something something comparable Ahsoka and like her is far superior to the Inquisitors. She might downscale from Vader but idk

 

[azontr]

I assume you vote for Guts?

I don't. I wanted to speak on the topic of heat resistance, to correct potential misinformation. I'm in the middle of reading the thread and determining my vote.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That’s not a self evident thing, that’s a site standard.

Force lightning is accepted as real lightning and there are characters that can take it. Lightsabers can tear through them like tissue paper (yada yada Star Wars 101)

But if you wanna pause the discussion, then sure

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Can someone tell me Maul's AP here? There are two 8-A calcs on the Star Wars verse page and his profile fails to mention which he scales to.

This is a rabbit trail.

I tried to find it through Grievos or the vehicles and couldn't find it.

I'd like to fix this but I'm not the guy for calculations or character scaling.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Literally in the calculation comments there are former calculation group staff who accepted the calculations.

That doesn't say it's guaranteed lightning speed or standards didn't change.

We index it as "Heat resistance" and link the word to the temperature page, literally everyone does this. And this is always accepted by the staff as a way of indexing resistance.

Not something official, bluntly put. It's just what people do because humans can and will compromise.

Plasma temperatures vary, from the surface of the sun, lightning, or hundreds of thousands of degrees.

Lightsaber statements on temperature vary between 20K degrees celcius to 25K degrees celcius, if you find those statements, you can list it as "Statements for Lightsabers heat are inconsistent, usually being either 20,000 degrees Celcius or 25,000 degrees celcius". I'm throwing things at the wall here though.