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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

TiltedFN said:
10 universal statements aren't NEARLY enough to get past solar system. Are you insane?
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Even if we discredit all of Kid Buu’s statements since he can live immemorially and can teleport from planet to planet, it should still warrant at the very least a likely or possibly rating.

Buutenks also has a similar statement, with an actual time frame and has no way of utilizing teleportation. But muh hyperbole
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Buu couldn't use GSK's power because it was being used up sealing Moro. That's why Moro's power is unsealed when Buu is killed. It is stated Moro was spending years recovering his magic after Buu's defeat.
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I knew there was something but I was way too lazy to re-read it, haha. Just hated wating for the monthly chapter so the chances are high that I skipped that part.

Being a dragonball fan is such a pain in the ass ... no new thing till this days 😭 no idea how you guys can keep this motivation 😭

TiltedFN said:
10 universal statements aren't NEARLY enough to get past solar system. Are you insane?
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This just makes Mangas MFTL+ case stronger. But I must say, Goku is a very skilled KI control user and he does know the output someone is capable off so the "universe goes puff" is valid, then theres the multi-universal spirit bomb. If "atmosphere" means things like black holes and such ... calcing that thing is pretty easy

Chapter: 212 (DBZ 18), P5.1-2
Context: explaining the technique after Goku blows up a large brick with a Genki-Dama made from the energy of Kaio's planet
Kaio: “The Genki-Dama is a technique that takes just a little bit of the various energies held by grass or trees, humans or animals, or even in objects and the atmosphere, gathers it all together and then fires it. Even the Genki-Dama of such a small planet as this one had that much destructive power. The Earth where you’ll be fighting is so large you can’t even compare it to here. And if you’re able to make the sun, with its gigantic energy, into your ally…It will be a Genki-Dama with outrageous power. If you mess up, you could destroy the planet which you’re supposed to protect.”
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Even if we discredit all of Kid Buu’s statements since he can live immemorially and can teleport from planet to planet, it should still warrant at the very least a likely or possibly rating.

Buutenks also has a similar statement, with an actual time frame and has no way of utilizing teleportation. But muh hyperbole
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Well there is only one problem with this. The buu saga can't be universal, it just cant.
 
I mean theres still the Buu > young Beerus part where Power is actually mentioned if you combine it with Toriyamas statement of "Beerus > Kaio realm" from the movies ... theres some basis.
 
Jinsama said:
I mean theres still the Buu > young Beerus part where Power is actually mentioned if you combine it with Toriyamas statement of "Beerus > Kaio realm" from the movies ... theres some basis.
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Listen, you just can't. Okay? Universal buu saga is a crime.
 
UnoRebaixadO said:
I believe that the Z saga Buu manga reaches the high universal level at least.
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To my recollection Elder Kai's statements for Buu destroying the universe involved him also stating that Buu would 'eventually' get to the Kaioshin Realm after destroying the universe. With the implied timeframe being <1,000 years due to Elder Kai's lifespan being <1,000 years (Hence his pragmatic decision to give up his remaining life to revive Goku)

So to me that does suggest that Super Buu isn't 2-C in the manga. As his destruction of the universe wouldn't reach the Kaioshin Realm. And whether or not he would destroy the Afterlife is never clarified.

So in short Manga Buu being 3-A to High 3-A seems reasonable. The lowest tier I could possibly accept for him would be somewhere around 3-C or 3-B.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
To my recollection Elder Kai's statements for Buu destroying the universe involved him also stating that Buu would 'eventually' get to the Kaioshin Realm after destroying the universe. With the implied timeframe being <1,000 years due to Elder Kai's lifespan being <1,000 years (Hence his pragmatic decision to give up his remaining life to revive Goku)

So to me that does suggest that Super Buu isn't 2-C in the manga. As his destruction of the universe wouldn't reach the Kaioshin Realm. And whether or not he would destroy the Afterlife is never clarified.

So in short Manga Buu being 3-A to High 3-A seems reasonable. The lowest tier I could possibly accept for him would be somewhere around 3-C or 3-B.
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makes sense, I agree
 
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Vegito and Zamasu upgrade thread (yet again)

The last one got a lot of agreements but went nowhere so I'll try to go ahead with this one and see if I can get enough staff approval here. TLDR for it: Zamasu and Vegito have a lot of accolades around them stating to be "above Gods" or "beyond Kaioshins understanding of Gods" when it's a...
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CryoTheMayo said:
To my recollection Elder Kai's statements for Buu destroying the universe involved him also stating that Buu would 'eventually' get to the Kaioshin Realm after destroying the universe.
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Might've been stated in the anime, but it definitely wasn't in the manga. The universal statements for Kid Buu happen after he's already in the Kaioshin Realm.
 
BOEGVELD said:
Might've been stated in the anime, but it definitely wasn't in the manga. The universal statements for Kid Buu happen after he's already in the Kaioshin Realm.
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No, it was in the manga. Right before elder kai gives his life up to goku.
 
Doesn't Kai have Kid Buu strongest statements? I know it has 2C Buuhan, and the events of the otherworld tournament happen off screen.
 
Damage3245 said:
Kid Buu is the most dangerous. He is definitely not the strongest.
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Wrong, in the context of what shin and elder kai said, kid buu is indeed the strongest. The "he's just the most dangerous" argument is cope. You can take a deeper look at the kanji as well which backs up some of the things I'm saying. But there are other arguments as well.
 
TiltedFN said:
Wrong, in the context of what shin and elder kai said, kid buu is indeed the strongest. The "he's just the most dangerous" argument is cope. You can take a deeper look at the kanji as well which backs up some of the things I'm saying. But there are other arguments as well.
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Well, you're entitled to your own interpretation of it I suppose but i don't agree and I'm not interested in rehashing all the arguments for it here.
 
It's literally stated that buu's power was reduced by gaining a heart. And this is more significant than most people give it credit for. This means that any absorption buu gained was only trying to catch back up to his previous power. Even when buu split, and evil buu absorbed fat buu, that heart is still a factor. Gotenks, Gohan are both still weaker than evil incarnate buu. It gets even more interesting when you factor in that kid buu had no reason to absorb anyone, unless he was outmatched. South kaioshin was fighting along side the GSK in the fight against moro, yet lost to kid buu. Even if you say he was SOMEHOW caught off guard, kid buu still fought without actually dying, and we can definitely assume in good faith there was an initial confrontation, not just absorption GG. Not saying kid buu is on par with moro tier fighters, but he's definitely the strongest buu. Most "dangerous" here definitely means the strongest. Every buu is dangerous in their own right, they are all a threat to the planet, humanity, and the universe. If kid buu was the weakest version, he would not be the most troublesome. Mind you, his power was STILL growing until the south kaioshin faded away, or died. There is not a single in universe argument for super buu being stronger. And don't even bring up goku being afraid of super buu. We see that he's powerful enough to end kid buu at full power super saiyan three. Not to mention even that has nuance that not many people even think about for why this is even the case.


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MeiouHades said:
This Buuhan > Kid Buu cope needs to end now. It's been over 30 years since this debate.
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Why DID this become a debate anyway? Maybe when the big powerscaling era began? I also wonder how many who have this take have actually read the manga.
 
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