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Void can do that but it's a mother without her rightful powers (although still supplying Ether to the Universe)
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Void can do that but it's a mother without her rightful powers (although still supplying Ether to the Universe)
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Her rightful powers are just her being Earth and providing endless ether, but even in her overdrive state, she provides ether to an infinite number of universes, which counts for 2-A still, as it definitely falls under significantly affecting a 2-A structure
Void can do that but it's a mother without her rightful powers (although still supplying Ether to the Universe)
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For now I added Void and Ziggy scaling to a fading Mother to the post.
I actually had a different view on Mother but it takes a whole post so I didn't get to her scaling in the post. I see it as her physical form or Earth is just an infinitesimal part of her each Universe having its own Earth but her true form is what we see EOS when Pino meets her. Planet memory is place of all time (similar to star memory), so THAT Mother is the singularity across the multiverse.
It takes more than this to explain my point but that needs a different post and I wanted to get done with scaling of Chronophage, shiki, etc. First
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This is super bleh, the Mother that can supply ether to all the universes is not the one that's currently dying
Void can do that but it's a mother without her rightful powers (although still supplying Ether to the Universe)
Atm I don't agree with 2-A. I'd only support it for Mother with her full power, which scales to no one
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However the fading Mother that Void was going to destroy still scales to Universe level by the site standards by significantly affecting the whole universe
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"Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.
So I think we should stick with at least Universe level for ppl like chronophage, shiki, Void, ziggy
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I thought she'd be in the same tier as the Chronophage Rebecca?
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Yes but I'm just giving an alternative scaling besides the big bang (since big bang scaling is leaving room for multi-galaxy level)
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Did you see my scan where Overdrive mother states that if she disappeared all ether would disappear with her, her overdrive self clearly scales which is what void can destroy, she directly states all ether runs off of her energy regardless of what form she's in.
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Is there any actual problem with 3-B?
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And the Mother that Void can destroy is a dying Mother whose ether was already starting to vanish. We're not scaling that to her full power
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Yes because they are not 3-B. There is a 3-A feat that they scale to.
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10^72 joules says otherwise. That is objectively 3-B. You still get your 3-A so I don't see the issue
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Fading Mother warping the Universe says otherwise.
That is Universe level by the site's standard for 3A. So what's your problem with it?
Void is capable of destroying her.
To begin with even the "10^72J" is a solid Universe level total destruction and recreation - literally said a cosmology larger than our observable Universe will Vanish and be created anew, but we had to go a step lower because a value was given and that's not in-line with Vs battles wiki's standard? (and honestly its standard has no scientific significance to the Universe at all)
Even though there have been multiple precedence of the site ignoring stated energy output?
When edens zero characters are pit against universal characters from different universe in the future do we evaluate based on "10^72joules" Vs "10^whatever joules that wasn't mentioned in the series but taken as standard by vsb"
Or do we evaluate based on "creation and destruction of the universe" Vs "destruction of universe of similar size".
Anyway, forget the big bang, what is your issue with fading Mother and void and by extension others being Universe level?
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Run this part by me again just for clarity's sake. What makes the fading Mother 3-A, with her own feats?
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All of outer space was being warped and distorted because she was fading after shiki made the choice to not save her
Chronophage was located outside the 5th Cosmos/normal Universe (scans given in the post) but even in that location we see space warped
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Seems like she is directly sustaining the universe as shown by what happens when she starts to fade so that seems pretty clear cut (difference between this and the alleged 2-A thing too imo is that while she's supplying ether to the other universes, the lack of said ether doesn't cause them to be destroyed, whereas with this universe Mother's disappearance is actively significantly affecting it)
I really do hate ignoring author statements and try to avoid it whenever possible but at the same time it's pretty clear that while 10^72 Joules is in fact the energy of the Big Bang and the creation of the universe, it doesn't line up with the wiki standards and the fact that Mother vanishing was warping the space of the universe and Chronophage Rebecca was gonna destroy the universe
So begrudgingly I can see the merit in ditching the 3-B altogether
I really do hate ignoring author statements and try to avoid it whenever possible but at the same time it's pretty clear that while 10^72 Joules is in fact the energy of the Big Bang and the creation of the universe, it doesn't line up with the wiki standards and the fact that Mother vanishing was warping the space of the universe and Chronophage Rebecca was gonna destroy the universe
So begrudgingly I can see the merit in ditching the 3-B altogether
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First and foremost I think you should make it into a calc blog
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Idk if I have access to it. Can you make it if you have time? You can link this post for scans instead of searching for them.
I want to know what you think would be more appropriate for distance and speed for:
1. Chronophage fragments
2. Shiki Slamming Chronophage
The calculation itself is elementary school level but a consensus has to be reached regarding the distance and time.
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Radius of the observable universe makes sense to me for the distance. For the timeframe, I'd go with anywhere between 1 and 5 minutes
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Seems like I do have access (but my profile name has become Nerd1436?)
Should I make the blog?
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Edens Zero EoS speed feats
vsbattles.fandom.com
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I'm not a fan of removing the stated value personally
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Did you read the part where I mentioned another universal feat they scale to?
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Idk man it's like so weird, the stated value is right there and repeated several times and it kills me but she's also like verbatim destroying the universe so having that as a "likely" doesn't sound right either
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Edens Zero EoS speed feats
Need evaluation for the speed calc
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I’m a bit late to the party but it looks like this has been wrap up. Can the changes be made?
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After a quick read through I agree with the op’s changes.
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What OP said. Uni and MFTL+ go brrr
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I'm personally fine with 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
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The existence of 3-B is unnecessary when you have another scaling for 3-A for all these characters aside from the Big Bang, even if we want to consider total destruction and recreation of the entire Universe merely "3-B, likely 3-A"
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Where's the other scaling aside from the big bang?
I see this
But this flat out isn't 3-A or anything close. This was just her slowly destroying everything that resided in the universe, which would lead to her... destroying the universe.
Like in the same page we see her destroying planets 1 by 1 and saying "I'm destroying the universe"
I'm not a fan
The Big Bang is probably the most 3-B thing ever. Besides the fact that the AP value was stated like 4 times, it's stated to be equivalent to the birth of the universe, which was around baseline 3-B.
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Where did I even use this scan for AP scaling? I used this to scale speed lol.Where's the other scaling aside from the big bang?
I see this
But this flat out isn't 3-A or anything close. This was just her slowly destroying everything that resided in the universe, which would lead to her... destroying the universe.
Like in the same page we see her destroying planets 1 by 1 and saying "I'm destroying the universe"
I'm not a fan
Why do you conveniently skip scans?
"Everything in the Universe will vanish and be created anew"
This is this 3-B again?
Do not think vsb's AP chart is an objective truth.
No other fictional verse ever gives these values, they merely state universal destruction.
When comparing universal destruction of a larger universe in edens zero vs universal destruction of the observable universe from another series, how does that make ANY sense to have Edens Zero lower?
And what more? The method of destruction in edens zero is actually omnidirectional energy radiation.
(Not to mention, that "AP value" you are talking about has more scientific significance to the Universe than the "AP value" that vsb considers as a baseline standard)
And read the post till the end bro, this is the Universal feat I'm talking about.
Mother started fading and Ether started rapidly declining across the 4 cosmoses and this happened
The whole Universe was being significantly affected, Chronophage here was in a different Cosmos altogether (Mother is in a cosmos without mystical elements, I.E ours)
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