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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

DaReaperMan said:
Lmfao

But as I explained before, range and lack of immediate danger is certainly a very good reason to use a gun, espeically when you can lead your shot.
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I see. Well , Reaper, since you're very knowledgeable about the verse from what i've seen in threads, do you know why everyone in the verse, including the imps, is hypersonic+?
 
I'm gonna put it here when I have the time, but I really need to make my argument for why alastor should at least scale to Adams speed, and debunking the arguments against it
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I see. Well , Reaper, since you're very knowledgeable about the verse from what i've seen in threads, do you know why everyone in the verse, including the imps, is hypersonic+?
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Because every feat calced is from early helluva? You need to understand this verse is outdated, even now.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
I'm gonna put it here when I have the time, but I really need to make my argument for why alastor should at least scale to Adams speed, and debunking the arguments against it
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Well good cause I don't think Adam should be FTL at all lol
 
DaReaperMan said:
Well good cause I don't think Adam should be FTL at all lol
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I'm sure we'll get something for FTL later in the next season, but the short of my argument is that y'all give WAAAAAAAAY too much credit to Adam being able to hold back his speed, he obviously shitstomps on AP and Dura, but he just...isn't skilled enough to have self restraint, the literal only thing that happened with the "radio is ****** dead" scene is the axe growing and a more powerful strike rings out, gonna stop here cuz I need to get home from work to type the rest out
 
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED goes to AL.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
 
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DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
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oh boi, here we go
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED goes to AL.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
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Honestly I do kind of agree, obviously Alastor would still downscale significantly because he's still physically weaker (Although apparently you cant downscale or upscale speed)

But still, out skilling cant make up a speed difference of several THOUSAND times so Alastor should be around FTL reactions

And like, its really hard for most strong character is Hazbin or Helluva to hold back by a significant amount (even when holding back Alastor, Stolas, The Sins and Lucifer are WAY above everyone else) so Adam shouldn't be an exception
 
Rogue_Forge said:
Honestly I do kind of agree, obviously Alastor would still downscale significantly because he's still physically weaker (Although apparently you cant downscale or upscale speed)

But still, out skilling cant make up a speed difference of several THOUSAND times so Alastor should be around FTL reactions

And like, its really hard for most strong character is Hazbin or Helluva to hold back by a significant amount (even when holding back Alastor, Stolas, The Sins and Lucifer are WAY above everyone else) so Adam shouldn't be an exception
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It doesn't even have to be FTL though, apparently people don't really like that and would rather downgrade, which sucks but its ultimately fine, Luci can still scale higher of course, Adam gets downgraded to wherever AL winds up, and nothing really changes about the scaling or cohesion, Adam is still 1 of the faster guys alongside AL (like he should be), and his overall station doesn't change
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED goes to AL.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
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anyone else?
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED goes to AL.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
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This should be fun but yeah i agree. Adam's old ass should scale to or likely slightly above Al's speed but they should be comparable.
 
Wait the new calc is done via the KE of alastor’s tentacles. Which overpowered pentious so why tf are we scaling sinners to them?
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
i see. So would the imps scale to baseline or the Lucifer feat of Mach 19, I can't tell
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Where do you want them to scale?
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Wait the new calc is done via the KE of alastor’s tentacles. Which overpowered pentious so why tf are we scaling sinners to them?
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Because Pentious wasn't ******* murdered? he lived, he wasn't even that damaged.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Where do you want them to scale?

Because Pentious wasn't ******* murdered? he lived, he wasn't even that damaged.
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ah, finally you arrive, what do you think abt this?
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
SO! To preface, although I personally believe in FTL high mid tiers, that isn't the topic I'm arguing for as I'll have to wait for later cannon content to prove that. Right now, I want to make a point about why I think that the only things Adam has over AL are AP and dura. Everything from versatility to BiQ, and the topic of my discussion, SPEED goes to AL.

The first thing I'm going to do is debunk the idea that Adam only started getting serious at the "radio is ****** DEAD" section, cuz...its blatantly wrong for 2 reasons.

Point 1.
Why are we saying THATS when he gets serious when this whole battle he's been struggling with/AT MOST been on par with Alastor's speed, AL even dodging an overhead strike AS it was coming down, WHICH ON REVIEW, ADAM DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE HE DODGED TILL AFTER THE HIT, which his facial expression is VERY much one of "how is that even possible"(the dust wasn't until the strike landed and not enough light to blind himself and his eyes didn't squint as much as it was just a "gotcha" face don't make excuses).
LOOK HOW SHOCKED HE IS

Even if you want to say that he didn't go full speed there and that was just general shock from seeing any sinner dodge him (cope), anything AFTER that sure as hell IS due to his personality (see reason 2). We ALSO know for a fact that while still inferior, Alastors magic CAN make Adam actually cough from exertion, meaning this is the first time in a WHILE he ever had to go that hard (among other things), so not only does AL actually have the capacity to downscale via magic on AP, but also acts as support that while still inferior, AL isn't without his own advantages.
And that's before THIS. There are literally NO good reasons you can make that he was still holding back on speed. Which leads me to...

Point 2.
Adams personality causes his already sub-par combat capabilities to SUCK EVEN MORE MAJOR LEAGUE BALLS.
People here for SOME reason are giving Adam WAYYYYY to much credit on the whole "he's just holding back because he wouldn't waste-" Imma keep it a buck, yes the hell he would. Adam is an immature, wasted potential nut job who DEFINITLY would immediately ramp up speed out of rage to try his best to hit Alastor, that isn't a question as IT'S ACTUALY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIGHT, ESPECIALLY HERE. Each swing he misses makes him more and more angry, and considering how little self-control he has, I HIGHLY doubt that he has the capability to hold back on speed and not instinctually go faster. Also him actually struggling to dodge these little guys which, sure could be chalked up to mobbing...if the gap in speed between the two wasn't as ENORMOUS as it was, on top of the first and second ones being alone and still had him pull an obviously exerted effort Neo from the Matrix.

Secret 3rd thing no one takes into account
Even if he was really holding back somehow, unless very specific conditions state so, ADAM CAN'T JUST LOWER HIS OWN REACTION SPEEDS, some verses make that a thing, but not the Hellaverse, reminder that Alastor managed to press Adam on multiple occasions, so his combat/reactions should upscale anyway as, him "losing" to Vox 7 years ago means that Vox could keep up with him and his attacks, so Alastor scales directly to his attack speed anyway.

And as for the final strike that beat Alastor.
1. He was genuinely shocked that Adam broke his staff, this literally screaming at us that he wouldn't have tanked it if he'd known
2. Why does bigger axe = fester and more dmg and not just more dmg, why does it HAVE to increase speed, it didn't look particularly faster
And 3. Trying to use this scene as more evidence that Adam is faster is just bad man..., AL thought himself invincible and that he would easily fight and beat Adam, only to have all his views on both himself and his actual power completely trampled on, he wasn't in the right headspace and lost focus for a second and that gave Adam an opening, MIND YOU, Alastor snapped back in too late and STILL saw him coming and managed to start dodging, but just like Stolas and the end of Mastermind, Alastors power comes from something, his staff being broken literally FORCED him out of his demon mode, so he was probably physically out of whack as well.

I don't think I have to tell y'all that this concoction of events CAN'T do much good for you when fighting for your (previously thought to be invulnerable) afterlife.

TLDR
In short, people give WAY too much credit to Adams fighting abilities and this whole battle PAINFULLY shows that outright power is the literal ONLY thing Adam has on Alastor, who in turn has the versatility, the friggin combat prowess in spite of being younger, and of course, the speed.
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DaReaperMan said:
I genuinely don't care lmfao

Generally I ain't passionate about Hazbin unless we're discussing Husk lmfao
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Fair nuf, d'ya know anyone i could bother who would? or should I just outright make this a CRT and get a consensus to give Al the FTL, seeing as how that would be far easier than downgrading to hyper+, there is the other option though. Adam scales in ap, dura, and speed through his lasers, so could a high hyper for the high mid tiers pass for now?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Because he ate 8-C energy and the tentacles ate Low 7-C energy for covering it up?
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Fair enough, though I’m still iffy on it because sir pentious has the same a/p as the tentacles which is blatantly not true and the scaling chain for the other sinners imply that Cherie and angel dust are also as strong as the tentacles which I don’t think I need to explain why that would be off since the whole point was for alastor to show off
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Fair enough, though I’m still iffy on it because sir pentious has the same a/p as the tentacles which is blatantly not true and the scaling chain for the other sinners imply that Cherie and angel dust are also as strong as the tentacles which I don’t think I need to explain why that would be off since the whole point was for alastor to show off
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mebe large building?
 
Da3ggman said:
This might be the first Helluva/Hazbin content I’ve genuinely enjoyed in a long while.

Aaaaaand of course it’s not written by Vivziepop, no wonder lmao.
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some people think the opposite, no people liked this episode or thought it was funny (because of the ending)and it not being written by vivziepop explained their dislike
 
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