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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

All of this makes me very happy, but shouldn't Lucifer upscale the Grimoire due to the multiple STATEMENTS that he is stronger than ANY demon, shouldn't that include their weapons, it doesn't make much narrative sense for them to theoretically have a stronger weapon than Lucifer
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
also guys what do u think of this calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/Hazbin_Hotel:_Stolas_ignores_sun's_gravity

We can get the verse to Island level bc Stolas managed to break free from the star's gravity
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Do you even understand how ******* TITANIC of an outlier this is? Tier 6 Blitzø everyone!
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
All of this makes me very happy, but shouldn't Lucifer upscale the Grimoire due to the multiple STATEMENTS that he is stronger than ANY demon, shouldn't that include their weapons, it doesn't make much narrative sense for them to theoretically have a stronger weapon than Lucifer
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Prove Lucifer scales to an environmental destruction feat from an important artifact.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Do you even understand how ******* TITANIC of an outlier this is? Tier 6 Blitzø everyone!
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Not really, the only time any goetic demon has been genuinely hurt, has been via angelic weaponry, and the Andre problem can be explained as him being a physically weaker goetic demon, we don't actually have any evidence that supports Stolas being a glass cannon like Andre, and the casual nature of this kinda proves that, since when had Stolas ever been harmed by anything NON angelic?
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Not really, the only time any goetic demon has been genuinely hurt, has been via angelic weaponry, and the Andre problem can be explained as him being a physically weaker goetic demon, we don't actually have any evidence that supports Stolas being a glass cannon like Andre, and the casual nature of this kinda proves that, since when had Stolas ever been harmed by anything NON angelic?
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Prove Andre is physically weaker than a normal Goetia demon.

And Stolas was going to get gutted by the executioners, who don't have angelic weapons. What makes Goetia Demons hard to kill is their regeneration, even though they lack regeneration right now but hey.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Prove Andre is physically weaker than a normal Goetia demon.
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he is supposed to be a marquis
And Stolas was going to get gutted by the executioners, who don't have angelic weapons. What makes Goetia Demons hard to kill is their regeneration, even though they lack regeneration right now but hey.
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wait that makes no sense, so the axe has negation of regeneration...like a angelic weapon?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Prove Andre is physically weaker than a normal Goetia demon.
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depowered stolas kicked his ass when he didnt let Andre bring in magic
DaReaperMan said:
And Stolas was going to get gutted by the executioners, who don't have angelic weapons. What makes Goetia Demons hard to kill is their regeneration, even though they lack regeneration right now but hey.
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Dont disagree on regen obvs, but the executioners were
1. special demons that probably got power/weapons from the sins who can clearly kill goetic demons
and 2. he wasnt, he thought he was going to be, but never did
 
Alexander said:
he is supposed to be a marquis
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so a lesser goetic demon
Alexander said:
wait that makes no sense, so the axe has negation of regeneration...like a angelic weapon?
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and yea, basically thats all you REALLY need to kill a demon or angel from the hellaverse, just destroy the thing down to its most, that is entirely possible that those EXECUTIONERS had that on hand thanks to the sins
 
Alexander said:
he is supposed to be a marquis
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Which... doesn't mean anything? We have no idea how Goetia ranks work.
Alexander said:
wait that makes no sense, so the axe has negation of regeneration...like a angelic weapon?
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Probably.

Or classic Viv writing, and she forgot Goetias are supposed to be ******* immortal when storyboarding that.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
depowered stolas kicked his ass when he didnt let Andre bring in magic
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How do you know that weakened Stolas physically? Shit, we know for a fact his magic is stronger than he is because he BLOCKED the axe that was going to execute Blitz using it.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Dont disagree on regen obvs, but the executioners were
1. special demons that probably got power/weapons from the sins who can clearly kill goetic demons
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How do you know that? How do you know they weren't just normal axes and normal hellborn?
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
and 2. he wasnt, he thought he was going to be, but never did
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...Yeah, because his execution was called off because he's royalty.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Probably.

Or classic Viv writing, and she forgot Goetias are supposed to be ******* immortal when storyboarding that.
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real
DaReaperMan said:
How do you know that weakened Stolas physically? Shit, we know for a fact his magic is stronger than he is because he BLOCKED the axe that was going to execute Blitz using it.
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Dark eye circles, could barely stand on his own, etc
DaReaperMan said:
How do you know that? How do you know they weren't just normal axes and normal hellborn?

...Yeah, because his execution was called off because he's royalty.
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1. they just dont have the silhouette of any imp we've seen, and/or any of the other races
2. they are executioners, probably a whole separate class on its own, also they fly
3. Blitz literally couldnt overpower the 2 that took him out AT ALL, and we consider him to be above most hellborn with some exceptions
4. called off or not, we have no reason to believe they could kill him, nothing abt the axes suggests angelic, and the other theory that they can still negate regen is totally possible
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Dark eye circles, could barely stand on his own, etc
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Not necessarily, considering he was basically put through EXTREMELY DESERVED mental anguish.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
1. they just dont have the silhouette of any imp we've seen, and/or any of the other races
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That doesn't necessarily mean anything?
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
2. they are executioners, probably a whole separate class on its own, also they fly
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Many things can have wings and fly.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
3. Blitz literally couldnt overpower the 2 that took him out AT ALL, and we consider him to be above most hellborn with some exceptions
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It was 2 on 1 and that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't hellborn. Blitz is incredibly powerful for an Imp and very skilled, when faced with other hellborns he can be overwhelmed and whatnot.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
4. called off or not, we have no reason to believe they could kill him, nothing abt the axes suggests angelic, and the other theory that they can still negate regen is totally possible
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Why would they even try if they couldn't? Because they were approaching with that malicious intent. Yeah I'd probably put on their profile that they had regeneration negation, but Helluva has more problems than people wanting big numbers when the profiles haven't been properly updated since episode 3 of season 1.

And none of this suggests it isn't a ******' outlier anyways, unless we want to scale Stolas above Adam's bloodlusted strongest shown attack.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Why would they even try if they couldn't? Because they were approaching with that malicious intent. Yeah I'd probably put on their profile that they had regeneration negation, but Helluva has more problems than people wanting big numbers when the profiles haven't been properly updated since episode 3 of season 1.

And none of this suggests it isn't a ******' outlier anyways, unless we want to scale Stolas above Adam's bloodlusted strongest shown attack.
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why can't we do the inverse and scale Adam to Stolas
 
Alexander said:
why can't we do the inverse?
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From the Outlier page

1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? If a character with several city destruction feats is shown to be able to destroy a mountain, we cannot necessarily consider it as an outlier, for the reason that the jump between tiers is not extreme enough to be so, despite the jump between energy values we attribute to them. If the character has very few feats, we can likely ignore this point.
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It is a big jump, with the next best scaleable feat from a character stronger than Stolas being 7-A via a bloodlusted attack.
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? If incidents of a similar level are repeated consistently over time, they are unlikely to be outliers. Usually, from the third incident onwards. If the character has very few feats, we can also likely skip this point.
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It was during a song, and overall contains two characters not necessarily treated as incredibly physically powerful, just their magic.
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? If an extreme incident is not accompanied by any kind of explanation that justifies it, it is probably an outlier. But if it can be explained by means of some power-up, vulnerability, or limiter, it is likely not. If Superman is wounded by a bullet, it's probably an outlier. But if Superman was under the influence of red sunlight or was previously weakened with Kryptonite, it is not.
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Yes.
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Here we must take into account a number of factors, such as comparable characters possessing feats or statements of a similar level to the hypothetical outlier, the outlier not being supported by fights that might suggest a similar level, or subsequent events or statements that contradict it in some way.
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Yes, this is the strongest scalable feat in the verse, from a character not treated as terribly powerful physically.
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? Many times an outlier breaks with what has been previously established or shown in a work, creating inconsistencies that are difficult to resolve unless we invalidate one of the two events. If, for example, a character claims not to be able to dodge bullets, even though he was previously seen dodging them explicitly, we are faced with a contradiction where we will probably have to resort to using the more reliable evidence.
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Inconclusive because Viv doesn't know her own story half the time so how are we supposed to say it breaks narrative?
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
i hate scaling this verse sometimes, I know that they scale higher, but dear god viv needs to get her story straight
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The more you genuinely stop caring where a verse specifically scales the closer you'll get to having this hobby be a source of enjoyment rather than stress.
 
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