Team Fortress General Discussion

[MinecraftHater2011]

Don't know how to accurately apply Inverse Square Law to this,

Calc the explosion's surface area (we would usually calc it as a hemisphere's cap, but with how the explosion looks here, you may or may not be able to get away with making another end that uses the surface area of a cylinder instead, albeit with the bottom base area subtracted from) and destroyed part's area (which shouldn't be too hard since you've already got the radius for that), then divide the explosion's surface area by the destroyed part's area and multiply the result from that by the energy to get your final result. Btw, I recommend reading the first example on the wiki's Inverse Square Law page to get a better understanding.

 

[TheGatememer]

Got somewhere around 8-C, but don't think it looks right, so I'll try to recalc it.

 

[TheGatememer]

Just recalculated the old Scout Ayers Rock calculation, and while it's pathetic AP wise, it did net a decent Class 100 LS result.

Team Fortress 2: Scout Moves Ayers Rock Recalculation

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[MinecraftHater2011]

Just recalculated the old Scout Ayers Rock calculation, and while it's pathetic AP wise, it did net a decent Class 100 LS result.

Team Fortress 2: Scout Moves Ayers Rock Recalculation

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Imo, I still prefer using the actual size of Ayers rock for that since it being smaller in the comic could probably be explained away by the artists needing to fit it within the panels and/or them not knowing how big it actually was.

Also, it seems like the link to the first pixel scaling scan on there is broken (or at least, it is on my end).

 

[TheGatememer]

Imo, I still prefer using the actual size of Ayers rock for that since it being smaller in the comic could probably be explained away by the artists needing to fit it within the panels and/or them not knowing how big it actually was.

Also, it seems like the link to the first pixel scaling scan on there is broken (or at least, it is on my end).

I could do another end with the actual size of Ayers rock

EDIT: Did another version, and got Class G LS, along with High 8-C, to 8-A AP, depending on the end. (honestly, don't know if I like this end)

 

[TheGatememer]

Also recalced the Cow Mangler Inverse Square Law, and got lower, but still pretty good 8-B+ results.

Team Fortress 2: Cow Mangler Inverse Square Law Recalculation

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[MinecraftHater2011]

Started working on a profile for Zhanna after I noticed that we somehow still didn't have one.

Do you guys think this Zhanna profile's ready to be uploaded? There's nothing else that I can think of adding other than maybe giving her an actual intelligence rating, but she has little to no feats whatsoever in that department and goes along with a lot of the stuff the Soldier does, which isn't really a good look.

 

[TheGatememer]

Do you guys think this Zhanna profile's ready to be uploaded? There's nothing else that I can think of adding other than maybe giving her an actual intelligence rating, but she has little to no feats whatsoever in that department and goes along with a lot of the stuff the Soldier does, which isn't really a good look.

Looks good

 

[MinecraftHater2011]

Read through some versus blog featuring Scout and found out you can tank the Payload on Embargo (which got 9-A+ results, but the image they used to scale had a bit of the explosion obscured so it's likely a little higher)

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Hey guys so Ive been seeing the things that are there for 8-C or higher like the saxton hale calc and realized it hasn't been applied to the verse?

did it get rejected or was it a case that no one has made a CRT for the verse?

 

[MinecraftHater2011]

Hey guys so Ive been seeing the things that are there for 8-C or higher like the saxton hale calc and realized it hasn't been applied to the verse?

did it get rejected or was it a case that no one has made a CRT for the verse?

The latter

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

The latter

Shall we prepare for a CRT given that we seem to have a decent amount of feats and such for higher levels of Tier 8 TF2 and maybe some potential speed stuff?

 

[Lou_change]

Is the soul gargoyle anything?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Is the soul gargoyle anything?

Not sure whats the thing with the soul gargoyle?

 

[TheGatememer]

Is the soul gargoyle anything?

Soul Absorption, albeit on kill

 

[Lou_change]

Is it actually doing soul stuff or not is the main thing the Mercs only get the gargoyles after Gargoyles and Gravel which in turn is seemingly after Shadow Boxers as it is implied to be the first time Soldier showed Miss Pauling the Tin Soldier costume which he wore in Gargoyles and Gravel. As Shadow Boxers takes place during the robot wars the Mercs actually having souls is questionable.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Soul Absorption, albeit on kill

I don't think it would go too well to propose this idea right now as I'm not sure if it would be accepted

Though question

Looking at feats such as The cow mangler, I would like to question whether if it is possible to use the atomization end as Quantum Entanglement does exist and the statement used could refer to the idea of the cow mangler separating due to the how it can be done in cases of linking atoms. disentanglement would imply the opposite

If the atomization value could be updated as the new and accepted value then there could be more support for 8-B and beyond tf2

 

[TheGatememer]

Is it actually doing soul stuff or not is the main thing the Mercs only get the gargoyles after Gargoyles and Gravel which in turn is seemingly after Shadow Boxers as it is implied to be the first time Soldier showed Miss Pauling the Tin Soldier costume which he wore in Gargoyles and Gravel. As Shadow Boxers takes place during the robot wars the Mercs actually having souls is questionable.

The mercs are killing their past selves, or killing past Merasmus to get the souls, so it taking place during the Robot war doesn't really matter. Also, it's not like the Mercs necessarily had their souls removed at the beginning of the war.

 

[MinecraftHater2011]

Shall we prepare for a CRT given that we seem to have a decent amount of feats and such for higher levels of Tier 8 TF2 and maybe some potential speed stuff?

Probably, although a few calcs still need to be evaluated first (i.e., the Jungle Inferno explosion and Scout pushing Ayers Rock).

 

[TheGatememer]

The Cow Mangler Calc also needs to be evaluated:

Team Fortress 2: Cow Mangler Inverse Square Law Recalculation

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[Lou_change]

I feel like it only being 90% hollow for Ayers Rock is a bit generous given we can see thick the shell is and it seems at most a few inches thick

 

[Soupywolf5]

I feel like it only being 90% hollow for Ayers Rock is a bit generous given we can see thick the shell is and it seems at most a few inches thick

This is what 90% hollowness looks like, I think it's fine

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Wonder of BLU (Team Fortress vs JoJo's Bizarre Adventure : JoJolion)

Objective - There's a Toru in Morioh! THERES A TORU IN MORIOH! THE ENTIRE BLU TEAM VS TOORU AND WONDER OF U (The Boss) The 1960s team key for BLU will be used and the versions of the mercenaries will be the same as the RED team in their Robot War/Australium Chase key Scout - At least...

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funny men with funny hats fights an calamity with a funny hat

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

This is what 90% hollowness looks like, I think it's fine

Link does seem to not work for some reason but yeah 90% hollow works just fine I think

 

[Soupywolf5]

Link does seem to not work for some reason but yeah 90% hollow works just fine I think

Oh, that's annoying. Here's the image I was trying to link on the wiki's calculation page

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Oh, that's annoying. Here's the image I was trying to link on the wiki's calculation page

Ah I see thank you

but yeah 90% seems reasonable (Plus it helps create consistency with other calcs that are popping up for tier 8)

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do we have a list of all calcs and feats calced (Evalulated or not)?

Because Ive seen some people have a sandbox for verses showcasing all feats and calcs that are either in the verse page already or are made but not evaluated to keep track

 

[TheGatememer]

So far, we've got these 8-C, or higher calcs:

Evaluated/Accepted:

• Vaporizing Robots (8-C+) (Could be higher for the Cow Mangler + Short Circuit, since they can vaporize several at once)
• Cow Manger cow vaporization (8-C)
• Manmelter Atomization (8-C)
• Big Rocket Explosion (8-C+)
• Pyro survives a building explosion (8-C) (Could honestly probably be higher if we account for the fact that Pyro was closer to the epicenter)
• Saxton Hale tanks a Volcano Eruption (8-C)
• Subatomic Disintegration (Pomson/Manmelter) (7-B+)

Not Evaluated:

• Meteor Shower (8-C)
• Cow Mangler Inverse Square Law (8-B+)

Might try doing the Jungle Inferno roof explosion at some point; If we used Inverse Square Law, we could probably get decent results.

I did the Jungle Inferno roof explosion, and got around 8-C i think.

There's also this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...tress_2:_Scout_Moves_Ayers_Rock_Recalculation

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I did the Jungle Inferno roof explosion, and got around 8-C i think.

There's also this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...tress_2:_Scout_Moves_Ayers_Rock_Recalculation

Alright so we do have a list of calcs for 8-C Tf2 atleast

I could do a CRT later if these calcs are already evaluated to get added

A CRT to get the ball rolling

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I did the Jungle Inferno roof explosion, and got around 8-C i think.

There's also this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...tress_2:_Scout_Moves_Ayers_Rock_Recalculation

Also have you put the ayers rock calc in the evaluation thread?

If your still waiting I can hold off on the CRT until the calc gets evaluated and accepted

 

[TheGatememer]

Everything has been in evaluation hell for months.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

New official TF2 Blog post, seems like an MVM update is coming in August.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

TF2 is GOATED. Contact me if you need any feats calced.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

TF2 is GOATED. Contact me if you need any feats calced.

True

also from what I understand, we have a good amount of calcs ranging for Tier 8 however all of them from what I know are in evaluation hell so its basically hard to get them evaluated

though there could be potential calcs to be made but im unsure

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I did the Jungle Inferno roof explosion, and got around 8-C i think.

There's also this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...tress_2:_Scout_Moves_Ayers_Rock_Recalculation

So far we got a good amount evaluated but theres just the issue for some being not evaluated or just waiting

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

New official TF2 Blog post, seems like an MVM update is coming in August.

Also holy shit new TF2 UPDATE?!?! AND FOR MVM?!?!

I hope theres new content

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

For the calcs evaluated I might do the CRT Tomorrow since I have a good amount of time to work on it and most of the calcs seem good and are consistent (majority in Tier 8-C to 8-C+ so future calcs that get beyond like 8-B to 8-A could become valid since a good amount are in Tier 8

Not sure for Tier 7 but it could happen potentially for more powerful guys like Saxton Hale, That yeti, Merasmus, etc

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Alright so to figure out stats and scaling does this seem accurate going by feats

Physicals

• Big Rocket Explosion (8-C+)
• Pyro survives a building explosion (8-C) (Atleast since I think Pyro was seemingly fine aswell from the explosion)
• Saxton Hale tanks a Volcano Eruption (8-C) (Hale would scale atleast to this but is higher due to narrative and feats showing that hes far more powerful than the mercs so he should scale to the feats above (potentially oneshot since in the gamemode he does oneshot many mercs?)
  
  Speed
• Soldier keeping up with Rockets (Subsonic) (ACCEPTED) (Should scale to the mercs since most of them are faster than Soldier (Heavy likely just has reaction and combat, Hale scales above)
  
  Lifting strength
• Bear LS calc

Weapons

• Vaporizing Robots (8-C+) (Mercs w laser weapons scale ap wise to this, Hale should scale to this aswell since he can tank stuff like this in the gamemode alongside the yeti he killed who Iirc has that statement
• Manmelter Atomization (8-C) (Same level of scaling as the first one)

Calcs that could have some people debate against but we could potentially score with

• Scout moves the ayer rock (Not evaluated yet, but if its accepted and the 8-A result is the best one then we do need more feats and calcs under the range of 8-B to 8-A to justify because there were times where verses got rejected for Ap upgrades due to only one feat in one tier and most are below. So I do want to get atleast one or two more in 8-B to 8-A to get there (Hale scales above via oneshotting scout so we could get the next feat in)
• Subatomic Disintegration (Pomson/Manmelter) (7-B+) (Similar Issue to where we might need more feats to backup but if weapons can be a tier above the mercs physically we can use this since laser weapons do tend to scale higher, also saxton hale scales above since hes a boss)
• Cow mangler inverse square law (A good supporting feat for this level of power but I think we should work more to get to that tier)
  
  Overall I do want to work with a CRT for the accepted feats in physicals in weapons since it is consistent and it should get the ball rolling. for the feats like the ayers rock, subatomic, etc I think we should add them to another CRT to further upgrade the verse, how does that sound guys?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Additionally I might be blind but do we have any speed feats?

 

[TheGatememer]

Speed:

• Soldier keeping up with Rockets (Subsonic) (ACCEPTED)
• Direct Hit Rocket Speed (Supersonic+)

There's also Relativistic/SoL stuff via scaling to the Righteous Bison, and Pomson, the latter of which is said to fire high amplitude radiation (ie, light). Scout also has that supporting statement of being able to outpace light signals according to the Cross-Com Express

We also have this Class M Calc:

Team Fortress 2: Bear Compresses Part of a Plane

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