Lord of the Mysteries Part 3 About BDE and Maybe Nonduality

[Stellarrainy]

Actually, the previous OP isn’t finished yet, but I’ll leave it as it is for now since I’ve got a lot going on this month. Alright, let’s begin

First, please read this blog

For the lazy ones who can’t be bothered to open it
What is Astral World?

The Astral World, also known as the World of Absolute Rationality, is the highest-known layer of the Lord of the Mysteries cosmology. This conceptual realm is even more abstract than the Spirit World and it contains all Authorities, objects, and symbolism in the universe

What is Authority?

they are projections of absolute things in the Astral World, Authorities exist independently of any being embodying them. If they didn’t, the Beyonder Characteristics and Uniquenesses would vanish upon the death of their respective Deity. But that is not the case, when a being gets full control over their respective Authority, they can affect anything that is derived from it, including concepts, through various abilities. Such concepts include the concept of space from the Door Pathway and the concept of time from the Error Pathway. Meaning, that these Authorities have full control over the concepts of space and time, while not being affected by them

Why is BDE ?

‎Astral World contains nothing —not even space time or anything else. Only symbols and authority can exist within the Astral World, ‎This means that authority and symbols are not bound by any space and time etc. framework

‎So, Authority and Symbols constitute a Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1

‎Who can attain this?

1. Fors Wall (Limited)
‎(Starting from Sequence 2 – Angels of Door, they can transform themselves into symbols to enter the Astral World and travel across the cosmos.)
2. Sequence 0 and Above (God and Above the Sequence)
‎(They are capable of entering the Astral World and transforming themselves into Authority and Symbol.)
Since it looked strange, I had to remove the HDE as well

I don’t think it will work

Nonduality (Type 1)
‎Son of Chaos (Need Creating profile) a GOO, who embodies the Symbol of Order (Light) — Shadow of Order, and Disorder (Darkness), representing the all law within the universe. But beyond being merely Order and Disorder, he also embodies Chaos (Gray) that which lies between the two dualities. He is the Ultimate Truth, the one who defines the logic of both

Order and Shadow of Order (Disorder) are two sides of the same coin — if one exists, the other will inevitably follow, With chaos being their origin.

Chaos gave birth to order, and order came with its own shadow. -Chapter 1321

I think the statement above is the best I’ve ever found — it feels like nonduality to me

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See you!

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

I think this thread should wait for this thread to finish

 

[Stellarrainy]

I think this thread should wait for this thread to finish

I just noticed the part about the Astral World already discussed BDE.

So I’ll remove that section from the OP and keep only the BDE scaling of the character

That means this OP will now focus solely of nonduality, right?

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

I think so

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Do we have any more statements regarding the Order and Chaos
or Light and Dark.
Atm it is still vague since I have no context or idea what it means aside from saying they are 2 sides of the same coin or each exist for the other

 

[Stellarrainy]

Do we have any more statements regarding the Order and Chaos
or Light and Dark.
Atm it is still vague since I have no context or idea what it means aside from saying they are 2 sides of the same coin or each exists for the other

Order refers to the rules and logic of the world, the regulations of dimensions that do not allow any chaos or Disorder to occur. It is the definition of orderliness.
Which represents light

Disorder refers to the complete opposite. It transforms rules into Disorder, causing everything to be turned upside down, representing Darkness

The two support each other — if one exists, the other must exist as well

As for Chaos, there is no additional context, but based on previous information, it should also be a Symbol of the Son of Chaos — a gray that is the origin of both Light and Darkness, existing in the middle and governing the logic of both

More Context
Order and Disorder are the symbolism of the Son of Chaos, representing the true nature of the Son of Chaos as a consciousness — something identical to the Sefirot, and the source of Authority

To be specific in the meaning of Symbolism: it existed before everything else in cosmology, as it was originally a part of the Original Creator, who existed before the creation of the universe. After being separated, it developed consciousness and became the Son of Chaos. It also serves as the foundation of the universe, according to the symbols he possesses

For example, in the case of the Son of Chaos, because of his existence, Order and the Shadow of Order can exist within the universe. Without him, these things would not come into being, and have become the foundation of all Order within universe. Affecting him or the Sefirot means affecting everything that originated from him, in the case of the SoC, that is Order and Disorder, as previously mentioned

If I haven’t missed anything. This is everything for its definition.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I agree with the Astral World stuff, but disagree with Son of Chaos.

Firstly, you can’t use an author statement as your basis for an argument.

Secondly, there is nothing to say that Son of Chaos represents Chaos—that is not what the “shadow” is in reference to here.

Chaos in LOTM, as explained in the previous CRT, is in reference to the state beyond the duality of Yin and Yang. You might think Order and Disorder would fit this duality well, but it should be noted that Son of Chaos only actualized Order—not Disorder.

And the in-between of Order and Disorder is not by any necessity a nondual state. The text itself is extremely vague about what exactly this “shadow” necessarily constitutes and unlike literally any other mention of Chaos which is reference to the merging of contradictions leading to non-existence, there is nothing for Son of Chaos even remotely similar to that—he simply acts as the bridge between Disorder and Order.

So at most, he represents Chaos in the common sense of the word as Disorder, but not Chaos in the archaic sense of it; i.e the “Primordial Source” (like in stuff like Greek mythology) which is what would constitute nonduality in LOTM.

Also, he is the Son of Chaos.

(Btw, try not to open anymore CRTs. Any given verse can only have 3 open at a time so wait for the other to finish otherwise it would inhibit my ability to actually revise the verse.)

 

[Pluto321]

Btw, try not to open anymore CRTs. Any given verse can only have 3 open at a time so wait for the other to finish otherwise it would inhibit my ability to actually revise the verse

i think u guys should find a common place like discord or general verse page to discuss and than publish crt or it might become messy and help each other create better crt

 

[SuperNova55555]

i think u guys should find a common place like discord or general verse page to discuss and than publish crt or it might become messy and help each other create better crt

Ye, we already have that.

I’m just saying there’s no reason to do these right now since I’ll eventually get around to them and all this does right now is make it harder to actually revise the important stuff. (Especially considering how small of a CRT this is.)

 

[FinePoint]

Seems like Type 1 Nonduality to me.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Seems like Type 1 Nonduality to me.

I already gave my complaints at the comment above but the problem is that the entire thing is actually really, really vague in-novel. Plus, this whole thing is mostly supported on WoG.

 

[Exoko]

The WoG of Truth(Gray) could probably use more scans (from the novel to support it) if someone asks for more, shouldn't be hard though since there's mention of the nature of the Gray Area in COI & the White/Light and Darkness/Black being Order & Disorder can be found too.
If you ask I can compile them & post them here, might take a few hours to tomorrow though.
And from what I saw in the wiki the manifestation of Chaos (which like Supernova said before is chaos in the truest sense of the word, the first 3 children of OC all have this) in the Son of Chaos is Uncertainty which was the S0 Authority of the Chaos Mist pathway under Uncertain Mist (which is part of the Son of Chaos) , which is also WoG but seems more bearable, the honorific name (which are his symbolisms) of the Uncertain Mist could also support this.

For HDE I don't think you need to remove it for the S0 or GOO, BDE should be the same as Fors => (Limited), since they transform the same as Fors when ascending into the Astral World. (everything related to the Astral World is confusing atp, like I don't even know it's purpose anymore)

 

[LOTM_Historian]

this CRT kinda died

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

rip CRT
Though, is it still valid?
Seeing how there is an expected change in Dualities and Paraconsistent physiology
I'm more inclined to believe this is Paraconsistent physiology

 

[SuperNova55555]

rip CRT
Though, is it still valid?
Seeing how there is an expected change in Dualities and Paraconsistent physiology
I'm more inclined to believe this is Paraconsistent physiology

Should be closed. Some of this stuff uses outdated scaling (Authorities) + I have other LOTM crts to prioritize. In any case, I’ll cover all of this in future threads regardless

 

[Reiner04]

Should be closed. Some of this stuff uses outdated scaling (Authorities) + I have other LOTM crts to prioritize. In any case, I’ll cover all of this in future threads regardless

Closing