Nnt/4Koa 4A Ap and MFTL speed

[Demon_Lord18]

No it just says common energy system and not UES. Also you're reading the wrong section, read the section for pocket reality

The UES is already enough for that, man.

The OP is fine to read.
Most of the debate has just been specific scaling stuff or whether or not the Creation Feat applies to combat via the UES.

Could you tag DontTalkDT and DarkDragonMedeus? One created the page on creation feats and the section on pocket dimensions, and the other made the UES page. It would be great to hear their thoughts here.

 

[FinePoint]

The UES is already enough for that, man.

Could you tag DontTalkDT and DarkDragonMedeus? One created the page on creation feats and the section on pocket dimensions, and the other made the UES page. It would be great to hear their thoughts here.

I can.

@DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[Jey-kun52]

Could you tag DontTalkDT and DarkDragonMedeus? One created the page on creation feats and the section on pocket dimensions, and the other made the UES page. It would be great to hear their thoughts here.

I also send this thread to DDM for check but he did not responed

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

UES seems fine to me, I'll abstain from anything regarding scaling.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I can help if someone gives me a summary of it being a UES.

 

[Makai641001]

I can help if someone gives me a summary of it being a UES.

Basically the same magic they use for Creation they use it for destruction, the more magic they have the strongest they become, without magic they faint, die etc…

It doesn’t limit to AP of course their resistances also get amped if they get more magic their speed too.

They can channel their Power in their body to greatly amp their abilities (Gilthunder Lightning armor, Percy with circular force, Gawain enchanted fists, Mael’s enchanted fists etc…)

See the op for Some panels

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I can help if someone gives me a summary of it being a UES.

Actually, I wanted your help to be if the UES would be enough to scale the creation to the physical or if we would need some quote like: he is using the same amount of power he used in creation

Here is the UES

UES DARKNESS:

Limited Energy System

Demons can use similar amounts of power in their attacks, as well as choose how much power to use. Like when Meliodas destroyed Danafor uncontrollably and did the same with Edinburgh, but in a controlled way. We also have the Demon King, who would have killed Mael and some Sins with his explosion and could split Zeldris in half with his lightning

Non-Physical System Energy

As shown above, the attack potency of non-physical attacks scales among themselves, with the character being able to choose how much potency to put in. An increase in a demon's darkness increases the potency of their magical attacks. For example, when Meliodas had his power sealed, he only made a small crater using all his power. However, with his power restored, he could make a 9km deep crater. Before, Monspiet couldn't surpass Sariel's barrier with his flames, but making a pact with the darkness, he easily surpassed the barrier.

Universal System Energy

When a demon has an increase in their darkness/magic, we see that their physical stats also increase, like when Estarossa absorbs some commandments and destroys Sariel's barrier, something he couldn't do before. The same happens with the Demon King; before, he was overpowered by base Meliodas, but upon gaining more darkness, he easily surpassed base meliodas. Upon gaining even more darkness, he easily surpassed Meliodas's amplified mark. The opposite also happens; when Derieri and Monspiet have their darkness removed, they faint.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think it meets criteria.

 

[Jey-kun52]

I think it meets criteria.

Thank you.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I think it meets criteria.

So can we scale the creation to DK's AP?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The OP is fine to read.
Most of the debate has just been specific scaling stuff or whether or not the Creation Feat applies to combat via the UES.

Have we obtained the necessary amount of approvals to be able to apply 4-B to the profiles?

 

[Jey-kun52]

Have we obtained the necessary amount of approvals to be able to apply 4-B to the profiles?

What about speed is it okay?

 

[FinePoint]

Have we obtained the necessary amount of approvals to be able to apply 4-B to the profiles?

What are the staff votes?

 

[Makai641001]

What are the staff votes?

We have 3 staff votes currently

 

[FinePoint]

We have 3 staff votes currently

Then it can probably be applied.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Then it can probably be applied.

Thank you.

 

[speedster352]

Who is it being applied to again?

 

[Makai641001]

Who is it being applied to again?

Gods, Cath, Chaos and those who can do sum against them

 

[Jey-kun52]

Who is it being applied to again?

To many people in the verse.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Gods, Cath, Chaos and those who can do sum against them

Why would the gods scale to it? Just change the current chaos 5a key to 4B

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Why would the gods scale to it? Just change the current chaos 5a key to 4B

Because it was literally the Demon King who created the demon world...

 

[karo_senpaii]

Because it was literally the Demon King who created the demon world...

The calc is for chaos realm idk what you're talking about.

To many people in the verse.

Are you the one applying changes? Don't just change tiers, change the justifications too

 

[Jey-kun52]

The calc is for chaos realm idk what you're talking about.

Thats calc for DW

Are you the one applying changes? Don't just change tiers, change the justifications too

No its demonlord. Scaling is old scaling so nothing changes. He is already put explain to those with the creation skill (DK, Arthur and Chaos)

 

[karo_senpaii]

Thats calc for DW

No its demonlord. Scaling is old scaling so nothing changes. He is already put explain to those with the creation skill (DK, Arthur and Chaos)

Ah my bad then

 

[Jey-kun52]

Ah my bad then

No problem

 

[speedster352]

I think it would be best for an admin to make the changes in case the profiles are locked.

 

[Jey-kun52]

I think it would be best for an admin to make the changes in case the profiles are locked.

Demonlord has already done it, there are only a few left undone

 

[Bossbrosish]

So what's the new AP scaling chain going to look since this got accepted? (Please tell me this applies to Escanor too so I can do a pride vs pride match up with Vegeta)

 

[Jey-kun52]

So what's the new AP scaling chain going to look since this got accepted? (Please tell me this applies to Escanor too so I can do a pride vs pride match up with Vegeta)

%100 DK 26.740gigafoe. Those scaled to %50 DK are 13.37 gigafoe. Only Chaos, Arthur (16.88 exafoe) Lake lady (273.81terafoe) and 4koa key base Meliodas, lancelot and 7ds members scale to Chaos arthur which is 4A. That's why I suggested making 4koa profiles for 7ds members. (except merlin and escanor, because they are now puppets)

Escanor is 26.740 gigafoe

 

[karo_senpaii]

%100 DK 26.740gigafoe. Those scaled to %50 DK are 13.37 gigafoe. Only Chaos, Arthur (16.88 exafoe) Lake lady (273.81terafoe) and 4koa key base Meliodas, lancelot and 7ds members scale to Chaos arthur which is 4A. That's why I suggested making 4koa profiles for 7ds members. (except merlin and escanor, because they are now puppets)

Escanor is 26.740 gigafoe

Arthur is 4a overtime. Nobody scales to that value. They just remain at 4B

 

[Jey-kun52]

Arthur is 4a overtime. Nobody scales to that value. They just remain at 4B

No. In the old crt, all the admins accepted that Arthur created it instantly. We used it, and they can easily reach 4A with the final combo.

 

[Kaydee1648]

No. In the old crt, all the admins accepted that Arthur created it instantly. We used it, and they can easily reach 4A with the final combo.

link the CRT
and that part is not in your OP

 

[Jey-kun52]

link the CRT
and that part is not in your OP

Thats in my OP link in the OP also

 

[Kaydee1648]

Thats in my OP link in the OP also

i mean, link where in the CRT it’s accepted that chaos creation took place instantaneously, i.e definitive time has to be 1 sec.
Because from what the explanation says on profile, the timeframe is unknown.

 

[Jey-kun52]

i mean, link where in the CRT it’s accepted that chaos creation took place instantaneously, i.e definitive time has to be 1 sec.
Because from what the explanation says on profile, the timeframe is unknown.

If you look at the conversations that follow, this becomes clear there. I'm a little busy right now so I can't be very involved.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Jey, your CRT proposes scaling Chaos physically to a feat he performed overtime in an unknown timeframe and you don’t want to get involved?
i think you should just remove that part because he sure as hell can be 4-B and perform that feat quite comfortably

 

[Jey-kun52]

Jey, your CRT proposes scaling Chaos physically to a feat he performed overtime in an unknown timeframe and you don’t want to get involved?
i think you should just remove that part because he sure as hell can be 4-B and perform that feat quite comfortably

Who said I'm not involved? I said I can't help you because I have work. More important than tiering.

You can open a crt against the timeframe, there is nothing holding you back, on the contrary we have certain timeframes.

We used the accepted timeframe in the old crt and if you ask I can tell you the other timeframe we have

 

[Kaydee1648]

Who said I'm not involved?

You literally just said that

You can open a crt against the timeframe, there is nothing holding you back, on the contrary we have certain timeframes.

why do i need to open up a CRT for something that hasn’t be accepted per the definition on his profile?

We used the accepted timeframe in the old crt and if you ask I can tell you the other timeframe we have

the “timeframe” is not definitive. and from the look of things, both of their creation feats happened the same way.

 

[Jey-kun52]

You literally just said that

I thought I said I was busy

why do i need to open up a CRT for something that hasn’t be accepted per the definition on his profile?

knows your mood

the “timeframe” is not definitive. and from the look of things, both of their creation feats happened the same way.

No. Also, this was for DK and SD that you showed, we talked about the time period and accepted 20 years, Arthur's case is much different (I think you didn't look at the crt)