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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread
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Loki would never join Teach. He's actively trying to become a king under the World Government and we already know how Loki feels about that. If they were to ever interact I could see them battling with Teach killing Loki and taking his devil fruit, but besides that I just can't see any positive interaction between the two of them. Added on to Luffy's instincts saying that he's a good person, I don't see him hanging out with a bunch of level 6 prisoners.So about this...
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So I think that I said before that I believe the Elbaf matchups are:
Luffy and/or Loki vs Imunko
Zoro vs Majin Dorry
Sanji vs Majin Brogy
And Usopp vs Killingham
Which I think we already discussed
But what I wonder if where Hajrudin fits into all this
I don't think he's strong enough to fight Dorry or Brogy (which is one of the reasons I think Zoro and Sanji will defeat them instead) but I don't know who else he could fight then
Maybe he just takes care off the weaker demonized Giants??
Luffy and/or Loki vs Imunko
Zoro vs Majin Dorry
Sanji vs Majin Brogy
And Usopp vs Killingham
Which I think we already discussed
But what I wonder if where Hajrudin fits into all this
I don't think he's strong enough to fight Dorry or Brogy (which is one of the reasons I think Zoro and Sanji will defeat them instead) but I don't know who else he could fight then
Maybe he just takes care off the weaker demonized Giants??
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Your brain is tired.
Nobody is arguing if Kaidou is actually the strongest living being. Nobody is saying the statement is right or that the statement has any narrative authority.
We're saying that THE CONTEXT OF THE STATEMENT, true or not, is that KAIDOU IS THE STRONGEST BEING THAT IS ALIVE.
Your argument is "the statement is a lie".
Nobody said it's true.
We're providing context to the statement.
Get your head out of your rear and look at the words being said.
It is hype from people yes. HERE IS THE CONTEXT OF THE HYPE
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stop fighting!!!
DaMonkeMan
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Joyboy has been removed from history. People didn't know that Joyboy existed.
Imu doesn't exist in the eyes of the public.
Roger has no reason to be stronger than Kaidou, we just accept it because we like him. Same with Whitebeard who has no standing to be stronger than current Kaidou.
When Kaidou grew after the God Valley incident, Kaidou was known as the "embodiment of might". This is when Whitebeard, Roger, Shiki, Linlin, Ochoku, Garp, Sengoku, Moria, and so many more pirates known for their strength at this time, and yet he was still "the embodiment of strength"
King and Kaidou agreed that there was nobody alive that they knew about who could beat Kaidou, since Kaidou defined Joyboy as "the man who will beat me in the future" and yet he fought Linlin, Shanks, and many more people afterwards and none of them were "joyboy"
Kaidou is the first person in One Piece to actually kill a top tier in a fight with a single attack I don't wanna hear it.
DaMonkeMan
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When did he one shot a top tier
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He killed Gear 4th Luffy
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To be fair I think it's a bit generous to label that as him killing Gear 4 Luffy in a single attack. That gives off the impression that Luffy started off the fight fresh and Kaido one-shot him. They had a whole protracted fight where Luffy had taken several hits from Kaido prior to the final blow.
DaMonkeMan
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After tens of attacks plus Luffy exhausting himself by constantly using G4, yes.
This isn't me downplaying Kaido btw I have him decisively above any Admiral not named Akainu and any Yonko not named Primebeard
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I understand but it’s still a powerful feat cause he instakilled him with it
Luffy could be vomiting blood in base and nobody is killing him with 1 shot. Shook Akainu impaled him and he still survived long enough for treatment
DaMonkeMan
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What the hell does this mean bro
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Kaidou tapped him
He died.
Even if Luffy was at his absolute weakest, few people are one tapping Luffy
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It was a two tap
DaMonkeMan
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Again this is because of damage accumulation and him being exhausted since G4 even at that time still cost him a ton of energy. To say this is like saying Zoro got one tapped by Killer and thus Killer is above King even though Zoro was obviously nerfed plus he got caught off guard since they jumped his ass out of no where
DaMonkeMan
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Wait are we talking about him killing Luffy in 1042? The way y'all talk about it makes me think you mean the clash in 923
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Damage accumulation my butt he took more damage from Katakuri and he walked that off
Yes
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Regardless stop counting Kaidou out.
We know what his statement means
If you don't think his statement is valid then that's okay. Don't act like the statement is talking about something else
We know what his statement means
If you don't think his statement is valid then that's okay. Don't act like the statement is talking about something else
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah and keep in mind he was KOed for about 7 minutes after stalemating Katakuri
Also Kaido hits far harder than Kata, every hit from him is like a freight train ramming into your skeleton at the speed of light
Go figure he'd kill Luffy after tens of hits against him
You act like it's crazy for me to say damage accumulation is a big factor in fights when we have stuff like Zoro KOing Sanji (who mind you is portrayed as relative to Zoro most of the time) in Thriller Bark simply by jamming his sword hilt into his side because Sanji was just that weakened at that point, as well as Whitebeard's whole performance in Marineford after Squard stabbed him
Being damaged by someone even if they're literal fodder to you greatly impacts your endurance later on
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Oden was caught extremely offguard and he survived Kaidou's hit
Whitebeard got half his face blown off and he was fine
Linlin got caught extremely offguard so many times it's funny
Kaidou got caught offguard by a handful of people and he was fine
Kaidou flat out killed Luffy with a kanabo hit. That says a lot
Whitebeard got half his face blown off and he was fine
Linlin got caught extremely offguard so many times it's funny
Kaidou got caught offguard by a handful of people and he was fine
Kaidou flat out killed Luffy with a kanabo hit. That says a lot
DaMonkeMan
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Oden still got KOed and arrested plus I doubt he was as damaged and exhausted as Luffy was
Whitebeard died, dude, come on now.
Big Mom and Kaidou are inhuman monsters specifically hyped for their durability and endurance, not to mention Big Mom was healing her self
And again, stop ignoring the fact Luffy got hit by Kaido tens of times before Kaido won and that he got caught off guard in that moment since Guernica purposefully decided to be a douchebag.
DaMonkeMan
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Also Kaidou is an Ancient Zoan and an Oni as well
He's obviously got better endurance than Luffy lol
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Colon is 20 years old, yes
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Ain’t no way we being serious… so if kaido to you was top 1 ever even stronger than Roger and WB… Luffy gear 5 currently is the strongest with out a doubt via both overwhelming and overpowering Kaido
We all know this is simply cap, being the pirate king means you are stronger than every other “king” as don chinjoa stated (you can even read this in Luffy’s vivrecard with the panel of him punching fujitora I believe… says the same), which Roger was and old whitebeard was stated to be the closest in being
No no no, I know you removed it from your memories but Shanks one shot kid, like the most brutal one shot yet and it was against a semi god tier
Something kaido wasn’t shown capable of doing. Luffy’s dura (which wasn’t being trained from what I know especially to the levels of his con haki and was specifically using his adv con haki attacks to stand equally against him heavily downgrades the feat… I also just saw it, it wasn’t even one shot and got attacked off guard standing locked in place and taking a direct hit without the chance to either defend or brace himself and Kaido continuing his hit into the ground)
Bro even clashed against shanks and was stopped by him… with wb and shanks they equally stalemated when they clashed, are you just going to ignore this and say.. bro kaido one shot gear 4 Luffy?
Without a doubt in terms of attacking power, wb and shanks are heavily shown to be superior to Kaido, and I’m not even bringing up prime Roger and Wb
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I'm tired of this. It just shows you don't read the series. And it's pissing me off cause you aren't the only one with this mindset.
Roger was noted to be the Pirate King because he circumvented the grand line. That was it. Rayleigh said it. After he circled the grand line, he was the Pirate King.
He was known in the media to be the Pirate King because he circumvented the grand line.
They alluded to how he did it. "He conquered the sea! He's the king of the sea!" That's how he got it. By doing this, he became "The greatest pirate alive" with wealth fame and power. Strictly because he circled the Grand Line and "conquered the sea".
We saw how he did it. He had to go and sneak poneglyphs from Big Mom and he got the other ones from kingdoms he was already friends with. Fishman Island, Zou.
Chinjao is not Roger. Chinjao does not know Roger's trials. Chinjao did not know what Roger had to do. All he knows is his strength, and he's one of the dozens of people in that era who MATCHED IT, yet he was nowhere near becoming the Pirate King.
Chinjao was a musclehead like the rest of this community who thinks becoming the Pirate King requires you to be the strongest person in the world.
Koby said to become the Pirate King you need to find the One Piece. Reiterated 1120 chapters later.
You don't need to be strong yourself to do it, as Buggy wants to become the Pirate King.
When musclebrain Mihawk said "you wanna fight Red-Hair, Blackbeard, and Straw Hat?" Buggy declined it, saying he just needs to find the treasure first.
Moria said he'll become the Pirate King by using the strength of his subordinates.
Big Mom said she would've been the Pirate King if her daughter married a certain prince of a kingdom. I don't see her gaining muscle mass cause she gets a law relation to Loki.
WHITEBEARD WAS THE STRONGEST MAN ALIVE AND EVEN HE WASN'T THE PIRATE KING.
All the Pirate King is is the King of the Sea. There are different ways to achieve this.
The Pirate King is not the Strongest Pirate. The Pirate King is not the conqueror of the sea. The Pirate King is not the person with the strongest Haki. The Pirate King is not the person who beats everybody in the verse. The Pirate King is THE FREEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
ROGER THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING IN WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WITH HIS LIFE.
Measuring somebody's ENERGY OUTPUT because "they're the pirate king" above all other pirates is something called stupidity.
So so help me if I hear one more thing about "he's not the pirate king so he's weaker than Roger" I'm going to lash out.
STOP READING THE SERIES FOR POWERSCALING AND READ IT FOR THE LORE.
THIS IS AN ADVENTURE SERIES WITH ACTION, NOT AN ACTION SERIES WITH ADVENTURE.
Kaidou is the EMBODIMENT OF MIGHT in the same era that WHITEBEARD AND ROGER were alive. I don't care about titles I care about SHOWCASE.
Roger is the man of a thousand equals. Kaidou is the man who thought A MYTHOLOGICAL CHARACTER WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD BEAT HIM.
So cut out all of this out. Everything, every source, every other canon, everything that Kaidou is mentioned in, he is implied to be the strongest there in actual might, not just "the greatest pirate life" like Whitebeard, but ACTUAL STRENGTH.
If you wanna scale the verse that's great. Stop being a musclehead when you scale it. Not everything is talking about strength. It's aggravating thinking that everything's about strength when it's not.
Wealth: The One Piece. Treasure. Riches. They want to be rich.
Fame: Glory. Clout. Being Known. most known pirates have the highest bounties, have the most fans, are always on the news, etc.
Power: Military might. Linlin, Kaidou, Shiki, Buggy, they built armies. They want power to stand up against their foes, and with Kaidou it isn't limited to his own strength. That's why he doesn't train his haki. That's why he's not always lifting. He went to go grab the ancient weapons because they count as military might.
Wealth, Fame, Power. These things all lead into one concept, freedom. Because nobody can tell you no. Because no one needs to give you permission on where to go.
This freedom is what gets you the title of "Pirate King". Not Attack Potency.
Off guard of hell. And guess what? Kid didn't instantly die like Luffy did. He drowned.
He killed him.
Kaidou in his absolute strongest form one shot Luffy.
For all we know he was clashing with them in base, which would be consistent since he was clashing with Oden in base, the same Oden who clashed with WHITEBEARD.
WB and Shanks don't have a single thing to say they are superior to the pinnacle of Kaidou.
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IMO, I believe the top rankings among pirates goes: Roger > Whitebeard > Kaido
When Mont'Dor was hyping up the forces of the Big Mom Pirates to Morgans, he claimed that even if the Pirate King himself emerged from the mirror that he wouldn't be able to escape. Out of everyone in the world, living or dead, to pick as an example for how impossible it would be to get away, he picked Roger.
When Big Mom was boasting that with an alliance with Elbaph she could crush the other Emperors, she singled out Whitebeard as being last, saying "even Whitebeard", implying it'd be more challenging to take him down than the other two.
Lastly there's the Bounty situation, which puts them as:
Roger: 5,564,800,000
Whitebeard: 5,046,0000,000.
Kaidou: 4,611,100,000
Obviously bounties alone aren't solidly indicative of strength but they give off a general tell and Oda chose to protray them this way by putting Whitebeard and Roger clear ahead of everyone else, and then had another Marine saying that Kaido's + Big Mom's bounties together would surpass even Roger; indicating that they'd be a bigger threat than him together but not individually.
In terms of pure physical strength, I could buy that Kaido is superior easily, especially with Zoan powers. But in terms of overall "power", this is how I currently see it until we get more info.
When Mont'Dor was hyping up the forces of the Big Mom Pirates to Morgans, he claimed that even if the Pirate King himself emerged from the mirror that he wouldn't be able to escape. Out of everyone in the world, living or dead, to pick as an example for how impossible it would be to get away, he picked Roger.
When Big Mom was boasting that with an alliance with Elbaph she could crush the other Emperors, she singled out Whitebeard as being last, saying "even Whitebeard", implying it'd be more challenging to take him down than the other two.
Lastly there's the Bounty situation, which puts them as:
Roger: 5,564,800,000
Whitebeard: 5,046,0000,000.
Kaidou: 4,611,100,000
Obviously bounties alone aren't solidly indicative of strength but they give off a general tell and Oda chose to protray them this way by putting Whitebeard and Roger clear ahead of everyone else, and then had another Marine saying that Kaido's + Big Mom's bounties together would surpass even Roger; indicating that they'd be a bigger threat than him together but not individually.
In terms of pure physical strength, I could buy that Kaido is superior easily, especially with Zoan powers. But in terms of overall "power", this is how I currently see it until we get more info.
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Whitebeard had the strongest crew at the time plus had the longest reign, and Roger was the Pirate King
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Yeah, those things are contributory too - it's just my opinion on the matter. I'm sure by the end of the series we'll probably get some statement on Luffy surpassing Roger.
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If he gets Elbaph under his belt territory wise he'll be the strongest pirate in history
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Anyway, I agree with this.
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When commenting I was trying to use a little rage bait since I know about your past statement… but sorry sir, I’m simply not reading/listening to all that
you’ve already tried to downplay Roger equal to Gaban from a statement so ridiculous as to mean it’s talking about power/strength wise
YOU are the one trying to use powerscaling and debating tactics to argue he wasn’t the strongest
(There are many statements of Wb being the only man cable if equalizing against Roger)
Being the most free IS to be the strongest, not by ruling anything but by just living and having no one be able to oppose you (hence Roger never declined any challenges against him)
Pirate King isn’t about strength because… buggy, say that same thing to being a yonko or an admiral then.
Don chinjoa is a meat head with insane amount of history having witnessed soo many battles.. he literally tells it plainly how being PK means being stronger than yonkos and admirals… Kaido himself says Roger was at the top BECAUSE OF HAKI, not because of him reaching laugh tale
Wealth, fame and power all of that above everyone else is a fact.
Finding the One Piece is a competition and a race against every other pirate, yes it involves strength
I already knew all this without even knowing vsbw existed, don’t try to bring up powerscaling. Talk to anyone outside of powerscaling and are knowledgeable on the series, they might either say Wb but most definitely most will say Roger
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You read everything I said and said "no"
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Yes. And the no is completely valid. (Also because I have trash wifi and is on holiday
ain’t no way I’m going to waste my time dissecting what you said and refute every single thing)You would say the same thing if someone tried to say Joyboy was only the strongest because his devil fruit awakened
Equally foolish, you can’t debate against someone that simply goes against logic and fax, all you can do it’s just say no and present more facts until maybe they understand and change their mind
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You said Roger was the pirate king cause he was the strongest and everybody said otherwise including characters in the manga and you said no.
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Why do people feel the need to dissect every tiny point just to feel like they've "responded"? Just debate with the core idea, not every sentence like it's a checklist.
Resist the battleboarder within.
Resist the battleboarder within.
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No need to be disrespectful and acting like a spoiled kid we are all here grown ups u can easily avoided saying unnecessary things while saying this.
You just didn't say it clearly. so try to word thing better.
