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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

So, after the recent Umineko upgrades, is there anyone in 1-A that has High 1-A hax? Otherwise Umineko characters should take the nr. 1 spot. Same for Low 1-C.

Also, how high are the High 1-A characters? Featherine's True Form is like 1 layer above baseline and Creator Maria is 2 layers.
 
The number 1 and 2 spots have high 1A hax and more layers. Assuming umineko characters have high 1A smurf truths(and immortality last I remember), they can get 3rd. Awlba has no high 1A stuff, and can't just blitz the characters down due to immortality and stuff before smurf hits I'd think.

And the high 1a characters, I think marvel characters have some layers. Everyone above them certainly does. Unsure about below tho
 
So, after the recent Umineko upgrades, is there anyone in 1-A that has High 1-A hax? Otherwise Umineko characters should take the nr. 1 spot. Same for Low 1-C.

Also, how high are the High 1-A characters? Featherine's True Form is like 1 layer above baseline and Creator Maria is 2 layers.
gao has some form of HIgh 1A stuff other that that no one else in Low 1C

For 1A gao and wod characters have High 1A hax.
 
So, after the recent Umineko upgrades, is there anyone in 1-A that has High 1-A hax? Otherwise Umineko characters should take the nr. 1 spot. Same for Low 1-C.

Also, how high are the High 1-A characters? Featherine's True Form is like 1 layer above baseline and Creator Maria is 2 layers.
World of Darkness has 1-A+, with High 1-A Meta-Meta-Meta-Meta Extensioned Hax. But can go up to Infinite-Supra Quality.

They are completely unstoppable
 
Btw Warhammer High 6-C got downgraded to 6-C, so they should probably be removed and moved there
 
So... Wang Wei became a Low 1-A/1-A smurf recently, I think that should change a few of the placements. And a lot of his actual ratings having changed, with 3-B and above being pretty much gone, and only 2-C remaining for the last 3 keys. So he gotta be removed from 3-B, 3-A, and High 3-A.

Though I doubt much would change, since the only thing that are like, smurf;

1st and 2nd key; Passive Fate Manipulation, that makes it guaranteed, without a shadow of a doubt, that he'll meet a certain person later on when he reaches the higher dimension. Cannot be stopped no matter what. Also has some luck shenanigans, so there's that. Mostly prevents him from dying, though Incap should be fine.

Supernatural key; Fate Manipulation talent that allows him to change fate, and even affect the Dao too. 1-A shtick here. His soul can technically affect Supreme Beings, so Low 1-A stuff, buuut souls are abstract, so kinda doesn't matter.

Divine Body Key; Same as before. Edit: Nevermind, I forgot he could defeat Supreme ******* here. He has Low 1-A resistances.

Primordial Spirit Realm: A bit more nifty, pretty much has Low 1-A resistances. Can also use the attacks of his father and grandfather, which uses Daos, so, Low 1-A, I guess (kinda not valid for concept stuff anyways), but does use other stuff like time, so there's that.

Void Shattering Realm: More interesting. He can reach Leaf 1 immortal if he absorbs his incarnation, meaning pretty much every ability is Low 1-A in that state, since they'd be powered by Dao and shtick. So Low 1-A space shenanigans and other stuff.

Saint Realm: Same as above, but just much more powerful.

His next key is kinda when stuff start becoming actually smurfy (everything being 1-A while being 2-B in terms of AP lmfao). Regardless, I also nominate him for a spot on 4-B.
 
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So... Wang Wei became a Low 1-A/1-A smurf recently, I think that should change a few of the placements. And a lot of his actual ratings having changed, with 3-B and above being pretty much gone, and only 2-C remaining for the last 3 keys. So he gotta be removed from 3-B, 3-A, and High 3-A.

Though I doubt much would change, since the only thing that are like, smurf;

1st and 2nd key; Passive Fate Manipulation, that makes it guaranteed, without a shadow of a doubt, that he'll meet a certain person later on when he reaches the higher dimension. Cannot be stopped no matter what. Also has some luck shenanigans, so there's that. Mostly prevents him from dying, though Incap should be fine.

Supernatural key; Fate Manipulation talent that allows him to change fate, and even affect the Dao too. 1-A shtick here. His soul can technically affect Supreme Beings, so Low 1-A stuff, buuut souls are abstract, so kinda doesn't matter.

Divine Body Key; Same as before. Edit: Nevermind, I forgot he could defeat Supreme ******* here. He has Low 1-A resistances.

Primordial Spirit Realm: A bit more nifty, pretty much has Low 1-A resistances. Can also use the attacks of his father and grandfather, which uses Daos, so, Low 1-A, I guess (kinda not valid for concept stuff anyways), but does use other stuff like time, so there's that.

Void Shattering Realm: More interesting. He can reach Leaf 1 immortal if he absorbs his incarnation, meaning pretty much every ability is Low 1-A in that state, since they'd be powered by Dao and shtick. So Low 1-A space shenanigans and other stuff.

Saint Realm: Same as above, but just much more powerful.

His next key is kinda when stuff start becoming actually smurfy (everything being 1-A while being 2-B in terms of AP lmfao). Regardless, I also nominate him for a spot on 4-B.
for 4B he can take 3rd spot , for 2C he can move up to 2nd fang also has 1A stuff so is not getting past him.
 
So... Wang Wei became a Low 1-A/1-A smurf recently, I think that should change a few of the placements. And a lot of his actual ratings having changed, with 3-B and above being pretty much gone, and only 2-C remaining for the last 3 keys. So he gotta be removed from 3-B, 3-A, and High 3-A.
For high 4-C, he gets his mind, soul, body, powers yadda yadda yadda repressed by Wang Lin, and that supernatural willpower aint going to do much in the face of a killing intent so strong it erases concepts
I assume Ergen stuff are 2 levels above baseline 1-A? Because Fate Nexus shenanigans are 1 level above baseline.
No, essence is baseline, but the rest of his kit does just get resisted unless this is the key where he gets active Fate Manip to such a degree, both because he has souls/clones placed throughout a hypertimeline beyond Wang Wei's typical range, but also because the rest of his stuff gets resisted to obscene degrees, and he would need to do something before Xuan Fang hits him with the 1-A time stop
 
For high 4-C, he gets his mind, soul, body, powers yadda yadda yadda repressed by Wang Lin, and that supernatural willpower aint going to do much in the face of a killing intent so strong it erases concepts
I'd argue that it could, ngl, since his Willpower, a major part of it anyways, comes from his times as the Myriad Devourer, ie being countless Yuan Epoch of time alone in space and eating everything (including Paragons and Emperors, ie people who use GDS). Not to mention that, albeit in a later key (though not that many notable things happened to his willpower to improve), dude just, existed via sheer willpower while everything about him was quite literally destroyed, be it history, soul, mind, dao, etc... Ngl, his willpower is kind of the nuttiest you'll find, since, well, it can resist 1-A timestop lmao (Albeit, since the time stop resist is in his next key, even though it is via willpower and I think it should be fine, it's fine if you don't think it should be used until I make a CRT for it)

Additionally, how many layers is Wang Lin, or is he 1-A or something? Because WW in this key screws with Saint Realm cultivators, with many cultivators having Laws of Killing Intent and shenanigans like that (hell, his best friends, Li Jun, is literally all about Killing Intent).
No, essence is baseline, but the rest of his kit does just get resisted unless this is the key where he gets active Fate Manip to such a degree, both because he has souls/clones placed throughout a hypertimeline beyond Wang Wei's typical range, but also because the rest of his stuff gets resisted to obscene degrees, and he would need to do something before Xuan Fang hits him with the 1-A time stop
The timestop shouldn't be a problem, but if everything else is 1-A, then ye, it's a bit bad. WW already resists Time Stop from a strong af Emperor (Grand Dao Source). Hell, it goes back to his mortal realm, even.

Best WW has right now is some 1-A fate shenanigans (Changing reality and stuff), but majority of his active stuff is in Low 1-A range.
 
The timestop shouldn't be a problem, but if everything else is 1-A, then ye, it's a bit bad. WW already resists Time Stop from a strong af Emperor (Grand Dao Source). Hell, it goes back to his mortal realm, even.

Best WW has right now is some 1-A fate shenanigans (Changing reality and stuff), but majority of his active stuff is in Low 1-A range.
His essence in specific is that of Time, and everything reliant on it (bar the Immo, which is Low 1-C as it is based on the in-verse hypertimeline) is 1-A, yeah, in addition to the resistances at this level which should be comproable, seeing as essences allow people to resist other essences.
I'd argue that it could, ngl, since his Willpower, a major part of it anyways, comes from his times as the Myriad Devourer, ie being countless Yuan Epoch of time alone in space and eating everything (including Paragons and Emperors, ie people who use GDS). Not to mention that, albeit in a later key (though not that many notable things happened to his willpower to improve), dude just, existed via sheer willpower while everything about him was quite literally destroyed, be it history, soul, mind, dao, etc... Ngl, his willpower is kind of the nuttiest you'll find, since, well, it can resist 1-A timestop lmao (Albeit, since the time stop resist is in his next key, even though it is via willpower and I think it should be fine, it's fine if you don't think it should be used until I make a CRT for it)

Additionally, how many layers is Wang Lin, or is he 1-A or something? Because WW in this key screws with Saint Realm cultivators, with many cultivators having Laws of Killing Intent and shenanigans like that (hell, his best friends, Li Jun, is literally all about Killing Intent).
I mean, tbh, I could prolly argue against it, but eh, I don't feel like getting into cultivator Willpower debates today, it doesn't really stop the rest of the stuff however, such as Wang Lin being entirely capable of just stopping him by taking an action through his passives/using power null

Nah, he isn't 1-A, he just has the Ergen nonsense of 20 layers per cultivation realm stuff, which in this realm would give him at least 100 layers of hax and resistance (though his stuff is potentially stronger, but I haven't read RI in a bit), I mean, I guess you could technically argue he has some 1-A stuff due to some spoilers at the end of the novel, but like, that's strange and I really don't want to deal with that
 
His essence in specific is that of Time, and everything reliant on it (bar the Immo, which is Low 1-C as it is based on the in-verse hypertimeline) is 1-A, yeah, in addition to the resistances at this level which should be comproable, seeing as essences allow people to resist other essences.
Ah, in that case, then yeah he probably can't do much, until I check if the shenanigans he did in this key (Nine Extremity shit) allows him to actually gain GDS. But for now, ye he probably loses.
I mean, tbh, I could prolly argue against it, but eh, I don't feel like getting into cultivator Willpower debates today, it doesn't really stop the rest of the stuff however, such as Wang Lin being entirely capable of just stopping him by taking an action through his passives/using power null

Nah, he isn't 1-A, he just has the Ergen nonsense of 20 layers per cultivation realm stuff, which in this realm would give him at least 100 layers of hax and resistance (though his stuff is potentially stronger, but I haven't read RI in a bit), I mean, I guess you could technically argue he has some 1-A stuff due to some spoilers at the end of the novel, but like, that's strange and I really don't want to deal with that
100 layers? I thought it was 10 layers per realm, but if it is 20 layer per realm, then yeah, WW does get repressed, probably. I could probably argue his Fate shenanigans could change a thing or two, but I doubt it'd be enough.

Don't mind him being below Wang Lin then.
 
100 layers? I thought it was 10 layers per realm, but if it is 20 layer per realm, then yeah, WW does get repressed, probably. I could probably argue his Fate shenanigans could change a thing or two, but I doubt it'd be enough.

Don't mind him being below Wang Lin then.
Ah, no, misremembered, it is just 10 per realm, which gives him 50+, which seems to still be more than his own according to the blog, but shrug
 
Golden King should be on the number 1 spot for Low 5-B, there's really nothing anyone there can do to him just staring at them and undoing their existance at the informational level
 
I assume the Magi characters in Low 1-C are Sinbad and David, right?

If so, I dont see why Li Qiye shouldn't be above them since he haxtomps, and nothing they have would affect Li Qiye due to his acausality and layered resistances. He also blitzes them, passively mindhaxes, passively powernulls, etc.
 
I assume the Magi characters in Low 1-C are Sinbad and David, right?

If so, I dont see why Li Qiye shouldn't be above them since he haxtomps, and nothing they have would affect Li Qiye due to his acausality and layered resistances. He also blitzes them, passively mindhaxes, passively powernulls, etc.
High 1-B Fate/Blessing that can't be prevented, does stop temporary instances of incap (ie Sinbad in his own manga got dragged into another plane of existence temporaily by people who didn't want him to interfere in something and the Rukh went lol no and just teleported him back)
 
High 1-B Fate/Blessing that can't be prevented
Thats just range nowadays, so Li Qiye would just resist it if the fatehax is supposed to affect people other than Sinbad.
does stop temporary instances of incap (ie Sinbad in his own manga got dragged into another plane of existence temporaily by people who didn't want him to interfere in something and the Rukh went lol no and just teleported him back
You mean, teleporting him out of the fight to save him? That would just be Self-BFR. And if its just teleporting him in general it still wouldnt make him win.

Unless the fatehax makes him High 1-B (which would need to be listed in the profile regardless), it wouldn't be relevant here
 
Thats just range nowadays, so Li Qiye would just resist it if the fatehax is supposed to affect people other than Sinbad.
Not just range, can affect high 1-B beings with hax on said scale
You mean, teleporting him out of the fight to save him? That would just be Self-BFR. And if its just teleporting him in general it still wouldnt make him win.
Nah, mostly just as an example of it directly interfering to make sure he actually achives his fate, the same also applies to David, it has also directly allowed him to surpass people of higher tiers (He was able to overcome Ugo as the Guardian of the sacred palace despite Ugo being Low 1-C to his tier 6, who also saw and could manipulate him and his fate like fiction)
Unless the fatehax makes him High 1-B (which would need to be listed in the profile regardless), it wouldn't be relevant here
It does, it will, we have a direct and explicit statement from David that he and Sinbad will ascend to, and beyond, the high 1-B hierarchy of gods, the only reason why it isn't on the page is because of Pein
 
It distinctly can't be range because the Gods got their tiers through R>Fs (they should be upgraded but I'm pretty confident in saying I'm not going to be fighting for that), and they lost their HDE because of it
"R>F" only matters for smurf potency hax if it gives them 1-A.
 
Not just range, can affect high 1-B beings with hax on said scale
Affecting High 1-B beings (assuming they have HDE) is still just range, not potency. Also, I just took a peek at the Magi Gods profile and they have no HDE, so it wouldn't even be range (?)
Nah, mostly just as an example of it directly interfering to make sure he actually achives his fate, the same also applies to David, it has also directly allowed him to surpass people of higher tiers (He was able to overcome Ugo as the Guardian of the sacred palace despite Ugo being Low 1-C to his tier 6, who also saw and could manipulate him and his fate like fiction)
Just because he could surpass someone at Low 1-C despite being Tier 6 doesnt mean he can reach tiers above Low 1-C without feats, specially if this kind of ascension isnt listed in the profile. This sounds like some 1-B stuff that needs to be added to his tier section.
It does, it will, we have a direct and explicit statement from David that he and Sinbad will ascend to, and beyond, the high 1-B hierarchy of gods, the only reason why it isn't on the page is because of Pein
Get that stuff added to the profile first, then.
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Just because he could surpass someone at Low 1-C despite being Tier 6 doesnt mean he can reach tiers above Low 1-C without feats, specially if this kind of ascension isnt listed in the profile. This sounds like some 1-B stuff that needs to be added to his tier section.
Get that stuff added to the profile first, then.
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Bold of you to assume I'm going to be arguing by myself with pein over this, so he can take the spot, idrgaf
They have large size type 10. Being 1-B in size isn't always being higher dimensional.
(They shouldn't, its all based on their HDE, that just never got removed)
 
Do we have anything written on the official pages about the hax changes? Nothing seems to have been edited to the hax page.

I am curious how it affects certain verses, for example if it's stated in verse that higher dimensional beings resist all the hax of lower dimensional beings, and a lower dimensional being using some special ability granted to them by another higher dimensional being, is their hax still just range?
 
Do we have anything written on the official pages about the hax changes? Nothing seems to have been edited to the hax page.

I am curious how it affects certain verses, for example if it's stated in verse that higher dimensional beings resist all the hax of lower dimensional beings, and a lower dimensional being using some special ability granted to them by another higher dimensional being, is their hax still just range?
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So basically they would bypass baseline resistance of a lower being. But at the same time, they won't be able to affect an actual HDE being without the smurf range as well. And vice versa, smurf range can affect a higher being, but not necessarily get around the power/layer difference
 
In 4-A, Wei Shi Lindon should be moved up to 3rd.

Also Sephiroth beat Kratos (Assuming Speed was equal) in 4-A, with that I think Ace should promptly be moved into #6. Kratos may have Low 1-C weapons, but I doubt he would use them immediately, especially against someone he quite literally can't interact with at all.

Edit: Also as per verse supporter suggestions, add Skirk into 5-B. Assuming she has the highest level of Abyssal Energy, that would include Ley Lines Manip which has a few things Arthas doesn't resist.
 
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In 4-A, Wei Shi Lindon should be moved up to 3rd.

Also Sephiroth beat Kratos (Assuming Speed was equal) in 4-A, with that I think Ace should promptly be moved into #6. Kratos may have Low 1-C weapons, but I doubt he would use them immediately, especially against someone he quite literally can't interact with at all.

Edit: Also as per verse supporter suggestions, add Skirk into 5-B. Assuming she has the highest level of Abyssal Energy, that would include Ley Lines Manip which has a few things Arthas doesn't resist.
no skirk does not have ley lines control the only one with abyssal power who can control ley lines was the abyss sibling and that was with prep using the loom of fate.
 
no skirk does not have ley lines control the only one with abyssal power who can control ley lines was the abyss sibling and that was with prep using the loom of fate.
Alright then, I guess she can take #14 above Batter since he's really only there as a place holder.
 
What’s the difference between the “mainline” Marvel H1-As and the DeMatteis cosmology ones?
 
Might be an interesting vs match for right now.

Think should probably be a vs thread.

As for later eh may or may not work as Shallow Vernal could be upgraded to a layer into 1-A. At least my initial thoughts are leading that way, we will see come a couple weeks/months from now when I sort out the World Creator hierarchy.
Is the epilogue a passive smurf? Because if it isn't, a vs thread will be interesting.
 
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