1. No, the speed blog does not mention long or short distances, that would be completely relative. Otherwise, it talks about covering a certain distance by running.
Ludo is still SoL. If you already consider it as SoL+, then there is no need to argue. What you said does not contradict what I said. This calculation is consistent
True body prime Ludociel was unable to win a single time in his trainings against Mael.
They can put up decent fights
It’s a calc, a 1c calc and Diane isn’t a slow character she intercepted Ludo while in Drole’s body which shows she could react to at least Sol to FTL speeds
Ludo is FTL but yeah Zel was faster than a fatigued Meliodas taking hits on purpose to RC them
Cusack was ******** on him so bad Merlin said this about them
They can’t intercept an ftl being from meters away while being slower than him.
Since you're neutral I'm not going to delve much into it but ludociel being used for the calc and ending up scaling to the calc that supposedly intercepted him and is 18 times faster is circular scaling . Yeah I know true self is ftl but that's because we have a direct author statement that their true self is superior to when they are in vessels. Sometimes calcs can be mathematically correct but still break narrative. The author doesn't take into account little distances like that at times. Ludociel being able to casually hit 18 times faster than what his grace is hailed for makes no sense.
1. We are not scaling to Ludo's travel speed, he is heavily bullied by Cusack in the rest of the section, which is much slower than his combat speed.
If we were using vessel Ludo yeah
Vessel Ludo’s entire body moves at LS, as stated earlier your fists, arm movements etc… are massively faster than your whole body dashing forward.
Vessels << Astral forms << True body
Diane having 1c combat speed isn’t that absurd by the eos she is superior to the likes of Drole and can participate in fights against DK, SD, Worrheldane etc…
Cusack was anything but serious and still cooked Ludo.
The 10 commandments and 4 archangels groups are made to be equal in terms of abilities meaning they’d likely end up neutralizing their forces if they had to fight at least if we talk about unsealed 10 commandments.
If you have another way, you should tell.
Ban clearing the induras from all of britannia fast enough to blitz Diane’s perception
yes, good point, clearly this is a skill that goes up to MFTL+, but what about calc stacking?
1. Vessel ludociel is what was used.
One of the things I hate about the wiki sometimes is that this is calc stacking. Though I suppose maybe there might be nuance if you use lightning speed from Gil or something. That's still a maybe
You must be remembering the chapters wrong, this achievement is in chapter 290 and cusack fights ludo for the first time and then bullies him, after that merlin catches them off guard with his magic and they turn into OG demon. If you want, read from 285 onwards.
Dude even if it was like that I don't think it would be accepted this is MFTL+
1. No actually they fight for a while and Cusack does not in fact bully her. Actually she has the upper hand in speed still after commenting not bad for Cusack. Problem is after delivering several strikes Cusack is unharmed and she ask merlin that why that is and Merlin says he's just that strong. Cusack then headbutts her and says is this the extent of your weak vessel? Ludociel was just lacking in ap and durability.
1. As you see here, he does this damage after dodging his combos very easily. There is a conversation here and Ludo attacks at that moment. There may be many comments due to Cusack's attitude because he is much above Ludo. As we see there, he adopts an arrogant attitude
Are you saying that it is inconsistent because of Ludociel? If so, that is definitely not right.
This argument is hilarious ngl. Cath’s statement isn’t meant to be taken as a hierarchy of things that he seeks to destroy, with Gods being > stars, he’s just making a list in a random order of things he seeks to destroy and the brother is saying ”mountains” after countries here. If he’s implying that Gods are ”harder to” destroy than stars, is he also implying that mountains (7-A) are harder to destroy than countries (Low 6-B)??
This is overtime at best, given the way he phrases the sentence. If he was able to destroy everything in an instant at this point in time, he wouldn’t say ”one day”
You are right in what you say because it is a relative point of view, the reason I put it was to draw a parallel with the UES, a metaphor (Demon Lord asked the same questions you asked and I answered him). That is, the power system of the verse is based on mana and magic, and magic provides physical power (like command and blessing). As I showed in the UESBu argüman çok komik, ngl. Cath'in ifadesi, yok etmeye çalıştığı şeylerin bir hiyerarşisi olarak algılanmak için değil, Tanrılar > yıldızlar olarak, sadece yok etmeye çalıştığı şeylerin rastgele bir sırasına göre bir liste yapıyor ve kardeş burada ülkelerden sonra "dağlar" diyor. Tanrıların yıldızlardan "daha zor" yok edildiğini ima ediyorsa, aynı zamanda dağların (7-A) ülkelerden (Düşük 6-B) daha zor yok edildiğini mi ima ediyor?
Bu, cümleyi ifade etme biçimine bakılırsa en iyi ihtimalle fazla mesai. Eğer bu noktada her şeyi bir anda yok edebilseydi, "bir gün" demezdi.
Açık olmak gerekirse, Cath'in argümanlarına katılmıyorum, diğer her konuda tarafsızım
If that's the Diane that has surpassed drole and could fight the demon king with the rest of the cast then it's not inconsistent. Honestly she should be well above that tbh. There is no point scaling her there
Then it’s dumb but astral could scale
Then Ludociel in his vessel should have ftl combat speed
Yeah
Yeah
He was mocking vessel Ludociel while bullying him like i’d bully my grandma (rip tho)
It’s true body Ludo, which is far above astral form which is far above vessel
We can find something I’m not worried
Liones is a country in nnt Camelot too.This argument is hilarious ngl. Cath’s statement isn’t meant to be taken as a hierarchy of things that he seeks to destroy, with Gods being > stars, he’s just making a list in a random order of things he seeks to destroy and the brother is saying ”mountains” after countries here. If he’s implying that Gods are ”harder to” destroy than stars, is he also implying that mountains (7-A) are harder to destroy than countries (Low 6-B)??
Yeah this would be overtime which is why this thread is dumb af
Fair
It can be FTL and above because there is no specific superiority stated, so it can be FTL+ and Vessel Ludo is still SoL, he can't even get close to Cusack, but he can only fight with the OG demon in his true body.
Yes.
I tried make a timeframe which is give 4B
I didn't make any arguments against anyone who disagreed with this issue because I thought you would notice that stating my own opinion on this statment would mean that it is relative. The point here is that if the UES and timeframe are reasonable, then 4B and 4A are real. I suggest that these two issues be discussed.
Fair.
Ludociel in vessel can't have ftl combat speed when he uses flash in combat, it doesn't make any sense.
We are not saying vessel ludo is FTL anyway.
I told you this again. Read Chapter 290, Cusack acts mockingly and runs away, even Ludo says this. Since he is talking and not taking the fight seriously, this only takes one attack (Cusack, as someone who understands the weakness of Excalibur the moment he sees it and explains the mistake he made to Arthur, his combat intelligence and sizing up the opponent is very easy for him, he clearly took this attack on purpose to make a counter attack and hurt Ludo's honor by headbutting him)
Yes. This statment just not inconsistent
I also add link its gave about 25megafoe.
Having an innate LS ability doesn’t mean he can’t fight at FTL speeds.
Cusack outmatched him casually it was not « close » Merlin stated that they are too fast
Cusack won every sword exchange they had while making fun of him.
okay
Neo Camelot was built during CBL which is 6 months after eos iirc.
There is no need for Margaret Ludo to be FTL because in the plot Cusack is scaled above SoL in any way, that is FTL+ as in the calculation. There is no inconsistency in the plot after this because it has been stated that true form Ludo has already surpassed Flash, that is, there is no situation that will restrict it, it can be scaled easily.
Asctually it has not even ben 6 months https://vsbattles.com/threads/king-of-chaos-4-a-upgrade.164529/ In this crt instantly was also accepted and discussed
Did you read why it was rejected?
See CBL movie i’m at work i’ll try to find thé scene.
In the second link I shared, MeliodasDeUzyy presents a panel about Camelot being “created before tristan was born.”
But then you ignored the whole context of the thing. He says that "everything dies one day, so he will destroy everything." He doesn't say he will destroy everything one day.
He may have misinterpreted it but is there any need to go into this statment? Because this is just a step. Let's look at the main topic, UES and DW timeframe
That's still like 9months but I guess that's fair.
I'm pretty sure NNT always has UES. UES isn't a guarantee for creation feats especially ones done via reality warping
We can take 5 months as lowball, it is impossible for it to be 9 months because this time they would have to say 17 years ago instead of 16 years ago, I think midball is quite suitable cuz diodra dies in the holy war by dk and right after the cath arc he resurrects diodra but in exchange for bringing ironside to his side
Arthur's RW is very different because he created a dimension that contained it and sent the 7ds team there. Camelot has nothing to do with it in terms of both appearance and creation. There is no specific gravity and no specific formation. Camelot, on the contrary, is very orderly
