Grappler Baki: Ap Upgrade

[Viott]

Here is the accepted calculation: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Poseidon_destroys_the_island

Retsu defeated Poseidon, so the 7-C characters in Baki Dou will be upgraded from 15.25 kilotons to 51.30 kilotons.


That's it.

 

[Napoleondevious]

Agree
Although, iirc poseidon did this feat by sinking the island, it wasnt an explosion, but maybe it also made one.

 

[NikHelton]

1)You can also add my version of this calculation. It gave High 7-C. I'm not insisting, but it was accepted and the result is more consistent against the very old feat of 7-C
2)This should only scale to Top Tier, namely those who scale to Yujiro in Baki Dou.

3)I have some doubts about using issekai, but I won't make a thread about it anytime soon, if at all.
So far it looks ok

 

[Viott]

1)You can also add my version of this calculation. It gave High 7-C. I'm not insisting, but it was accepted and the result is more consistent against the very old feat of 7-C

I'll use my own 7-C calculation.

2)This should only scale to Top Tier, namely those who scale to Yujiro in Baki Dou.

Ok I fixed it

3)I have some doubts about using issekai, but I won't make a thread about it anytime soon, if at all.
So far it looks ok

Okay.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't think we should accept the Retsu Isekai as canon. And before someone comments that it's on the verse page, it was added there by a random user without a CRT.

 

[Viott]

I don't think we should accept the Retsu Isekai as canon. And before someone comments that it's on the verse page, it was added there by a random user without a CRT.

Retsu mentions the main canon events many times.

 

[Armorchompy]

That means the OG series is canon to the Isekai, which I never put into doubt. But it is not evidence that it goes both ways.

 

[Viott]

Retsu talks about the events in Baki: Son of Ogre and Baki Dou, so that’s enough for it to be considered canon.

 

[Viott]

Itagaki is one of the people credited as the author of the story.

Baki Gets New Isekai Spinoff Manga Starring Retsu Kaioh

Eiji Murai draws manga launching on November 6 // The November issue of Akita Shoten's Monthly Shōnen Champion magazine revealed on Tuesday that Keisuke Itagaki's...

www.animenewsnetwork.com

 

[Qawsedf234]

Retsu talks about the events in Baki: Son of Ogre and Baki Dou, so that’s enough for it to be considered canon.

You're confusing what Armor is saying. Retsu until proven otherwise is one way canon. It considers the story of Baki canon to itself, but that does not mean that it is canon to Baki. You would have to prove that the manga considers it canon for that to work.

 

[Armorchompy]

Itagaki is one of the people credited as the author of the story.

Baki Gets New Isekai Spinoff Manga Starring Retsu Kaioh

Eiji Murai draws manga launching on November 6 // The November issue of Akita Shoten's Monthly Shōnen Champion magazine revealed on Tuesday that Keisuke Itagaki's...

www.animenewsnetwork.com

"... while Keisuke Itagaki and Sai Ihara are credited for the original story"

Did you not read this or did you expect me not to read this?

You're confusing what Armor is saying. Retsu until proven otherwise is one way canon. It considers the story of Baki canon to itself, but that does not mean that it is canon to Baki. You would have to prove that the manga considers it canon for that to work.

Yep

 

[Da3ggman]

"... while Keisuke Itagaki and Sai Ihara are credited for the original story"

Did you? Let’s see the full quote:

“Murai is drawing the manga, while Keisuke Itagaki and Sai Ihara (Daisuke Ihara) are credited for the original story.”

I don’t even know how you can misinterpret this, it’s obvious that it’s saying that the story being drawn by Eiji is an original by Itagaki. Reading comprehension ig.

Despite that, I’d agree that there isn’t enough evidence to prove it’s definitely canon to the Baki manga.

At best, it’d be a “possibly”.

 

[Napoleondevious]

I also found This
Its machine translation but it should give a general idea, if someone is interested enough they can ask for someone knowledgeable to translate it ;
"海王的異世界轉生漫畫決定連載之前, 「責任編輯為了取得板垣恵介老師的許可來到了東京某處的工作室。
「老師,可以讓烈海王
轉生到異世界嗎?」
「真是沒辦法。好啊。」
我就算做夢也期待着這樣的對話。
四同范馬刃牙的第3部「 之中,板垣在閱讀企劃
那場有勇無謀范馬刃牙」中,刃牙與范馬勇次郎的父子打架老師親自寫下了那一
的挑戰。刃牙系列有名的宣傳短語。 臉上明顯籠罩着責編的腦中不斷不是明擺着氣場的老師面前,
「 發動了絕望的倉促發車!!!」
書的板垣老師, 一層陰霾。看到這樣的表情, 重複着「絕望的倉促發車」這一短語。為什麼企劃可行呢,這散發着巨凶般刃牙的心情
當初
會覺得這樣的沒戲的嗎!!在不禁對那時的感同身受。
終,老師露出了似乎絕對不可能說出「好啊」的表情。對於這樣的板垣老師,我的心中想的卻是「但我還是想看!!!我想要見到烈海王!!!」 所以要開始了。最終手段。在未許可的情況下擅自開始!!!"

Which translates to ;
"Before the Sea King's Otherworldly Transformation Manga was decided to be serialized, the “Editor-in-Charge” went to a studio somewhere in Tokyo in order to get permission from Mr. Eisuke Itagaki.
"Mr. Itagaki, is it possible to have Kaio Rei
“Master, is it possible for the Sea King to be reincarnated into the Otherworld?”
"There's no way I'll do it."
I was looking forward to this conversation even in my dreams.
Itagaki was reading about the plan for the third installment of Four Together Van Horse Blades.
In “The Brave and the Courageous Van Horse Blade”, the father-son fight between Blade and Isaburo Van Horse was written by the teacher himself.
The challenge. The famous promotional phrase for the Blade series. In front of the teacher whose face was obviously covered with blame and whose mind was constantly not in a clear aura, “A desperate Kurashige was mobilized,” he said.
“Started a desperate rush!!!”
Itagaki teacher of the book, a layer of haze. Seeing such an expression, he repeated the phrase “desperate haste”. Why is the project feasible? This is a mood that radiates like a fierce blade!
At first
I thought it would be hopeless! I can't help but empathize with the feelings I had at that time.
In the end, the teacher showed an expression that seemed absolutely impossible to say “yes”. To Mr. Itagaki, I thought, "But I still want to see it! I want to see the King of the Sea!!!!" So here we go. The last resort. Unauthorized start!!!!"

Seems almost illegal to me..

 

[Armorchompy]

Did you? Let’s see the full quote:

“Murai is drawing the manga, while Keisuke Itagaki and Sai Ihara (Daisuke Ihara) are credited for the original story.”

I don’t even know how you can misinterpret this, it’s obvious that it’s saying that the story being drawn by Eiji is an original by Itagaki. Reading comprehension ig.

It's common practice to credit original mangaka for spinoff they aren't writing. With that said, I admit I misunderstood "original story", although I don't think your tone is warranted.

I also found This
Its machine translation but it should give a general idea, if someone is interested enough they can ask for someone knowledgeable to translate it ;
"海王的異世界轉生漫畫決定連載之前, 「責任編輯為了取得板垣恵介老師的許可來到了東京某處的工作室。
「老師,可以讓烈海王
轉生到異世界嗎?」
「真是沒辦法。好啊。」
我就算做夢也期待着這樣的對話。
四同范馬刃牙的第3部「 之中,板垣在閱讀企劃
那場有勇無謀范馬刃牙」中,刃牙與范馬勇次郎的父子打架老師親自寫下了那一
的挑戰。刃牙系列有名的宣傳短語。 臉上明顯籠罩着責編的腦中不斷不是明擺着氣場的老師面前,
「 發動了絕望的倉促發車!!!」
書的板垣老師, 一層陰霾。看到這樣的表情, 重複着「絕望的倉促發車」這一短語。為什麼企劃可行呢,這散發着巨凶般刃牙的心情
當初
會覺得這樣的沒戲的嗎!!在不禁對那時的感同身受。
終,老師露出了似乎絕對不可能說出「好啊」的表情。對於這樣的板垣老師,我的心中想的卻是「但我還是想看!!!我想要見到烈海王!!!」 所以要開始了。最終手段。在未許可的情況下擅自開始!!!"

Which translates to ;
"Before the Sea King's Otherworldly Transformation Manga was decided to be serialized, the “Editor-in-Charge” went to a studio somewhere in Tokyo in order to get permission from Mr. Eisuke Itagaki.
"Mr. Itagaki, is it possible to have Kaio Rei
“Master, is it possible for the Sea King to be reincarnated into the Otherworld?”
"There's no way I'll do it."
I was looking forward to this conversation even in my dreams.
Itagaki was reading about the plan for the third installment of Four Together Van Horse Blades.
In “The Brave and the Courageous Van Horse Blade”, the father-son fight between Blade and Isaburo Van Horse was written by the teacher himself.
The challenge. The famous promotional phrase for the Blade series. In front of the teacher whose face was obviously covered with blame and whose mind was constantly not in a clear aura, “A desperate Kurashige was mobilized,” he said.
“Started a desperate rush!!!”
Itagaki teacher of the book, a layer of haze. Seeing such an expression, he repeated the phrase “desperate haste”. Why is the project feasible? This is a mood that radiates like a fierce blade!
At first
I thought it would be hopeless! I can't help but empathize with the feelings I had at that time.
In the end, the teacher showed an expression that seemed absolutely impossible to say “yes”. To Mr. Itagaki, I thought, "But I still want to see it! I want to see the King of the Sea!!!!" So here we go. The last resort. Unauthorized start!!!!"

Seems almost illegal to me..

I would assume that this is humorous in nature, and not exactly what happened. It does show that this guy is the one actually writing the story, and only gets Itagaki's approval, though (Not that who's writing it is really relevant to canonicity, honestly).

 

[Mikazzzuchi]

I also found This
Its machine translation but it should give a general idea, if someone is interested enough they can ask for someone knowledgeable to translate it ;
"海王的異世界轉生漫畫決定連載之前, 「責任編輯為了取得板垣恵介老師的許可來到了東京某處的工作室。
「老師,可以讓烈海王
轉生到異世界嗎?」
「真是沒辦法。好啊。」
我就算做夢也期待着這樣的對話。
四同范馬刃牙的第3部「 之中,板垣在閱讀企劃
那場有勇無謀范馬刃牙」中,刃牙與范馬勇次郎的父子打架老師親自寫下了那一
的挑戰。刃牙系列有名的宣傳短語。 臉上明顯籠罩着責編的腦中不斷不是明擺着氣場的老師面前,
「 發動了絕望的倉促發車!!!」
書的板垣老師, 一層陰霾。看到這樣的表情, 重複着「絕望的倉促發車」這一短語。為什麼企劃可行呢,這散發着巨凶般刃牙的心情
當初
會覺得這樣的沒戲的嗎!!在不禁對那時的感同身受。
終,老師露出了似乎絕對不可能說出「好啊」的表情。對於這樣的板垣老師,我的心中想的卻是「但我還是想看!!!我想要見到烈海王!!!」 所以要開始了。最終手段。在未許可的情況下擅自開始!!!"

Which translates to ;
"Before the Sea King's Otherworldly Transformation Manga was decided to be serialized, the “Editor-in-Charge” went to a studio somewhere in Tokyo in order to get permission from Mr. Eisuke Itagaki.
"Mr. Itagaki, is it possible to have Kaio Rei
“Master, is it possible for the Sea King to be reincarnated into the Otherworld?”
"There's no way I'll do it."
I was looking forward to this conversation even in my dreams.
Itagaki was reading about the plan for the third installment of Four Together Van Horse Blades.
In “The Brave and the Courageous Van Horse Blade”, the father-son fight between Blade and Isaburo Van Horse was written by the teacher himself.
The challenge. The famous promotional phrase for the Blade series. In front of the teacher whose face was obviously covered with blame and whose mind was constantly not in a clear aura, “A desperate Kurashige was mobilized,” he said.
“Started a desperate rush!!!”
Itagaki teacher of the book, a layer of haze. Seeing such an expression, he repeated the phrase “desperate haste”. Why is the project feasible? This is a mood that radiates like a fierce blade!
At first
I thought it would be hopeless! I can't help but empathize with the feelings I had at that time.
In the end, the teacher showed an expression that seemed absolutely impossible to say “yes”. To Mr. Itagaki, I thought, "But I still want to see it! I want to see the King of the Sea!!!!" So here we go. The last resort. Unauthorized start!!!!"

Seems almost illegal to me..

It chinese, not jp. My friend send me origin of this image and translation aswell. After all it was only chief's thoughts and Itagaki at that time wasn't saying yes or no. ANY Baki media admitts that Isekai is the part of Baki series
海王の異世界転生漫画を連載するために、板垣恵介先生のご許可を頂きたく都内某所にある仕事場を訪ねた担当編集。「先生、烈海王を異世界転生させてもよろしいでしょうか?」「仕方ない。いいぞ。」そんな会話を夢見ていた時期が僕にもありました。馬刃牙の無謀なる挑戦。範馬勇次郎との親子喧嘩が描かれたバキシリーズ第3部「範馬刃牙」にて、板垣先生自ら打った名アオリ「発動きだす絶望の見切り発車!!!」。四画書を読む板垣先生。明らかに曇っていくその表情を見て、その「絶望の見切り発車」というフレーズが担当編集の頭を駆け巡る。なんでイケると思ってたのか、ムリにきまってんじゃん!!! 巨凶なオーラを出す先生を前に、あの頃の刃牙の気持ちがよくわかった。いには「いいぞ」とは絶対に言わないであろう表情に変化し終えた先生に対し、思ってしまったのは「でも読みたい!!! 烈に会いたい!!!」だから始める。最終手段。非公認のまま始めます!!!!

In order to obtain permission to publish the manga about rebirth in another world, Kao Retsu (烈海王), the editor-in-chief went to Mr. Itagaki's workplace, located somewhere in Tokyo.
"Mr. Itagaki, can we reincarnate Kaoru in another world?"
"There's nothing we can do about it. All right, I give my permission."
There were times when I dreamed of this dialogue.
Baki Hanma's reckless challenge. In the third part of the Baki series, titled "Hanma Baki," which depicts a father-son quarrel with Yujiro Hanma, Mr. Itagaki himself wrote the famous slogan: "The launch of despair, beginning with complete unpreparedness!!!"
Itagaki-sensei reads the manuscript. His expression becomes increasingly gloomy.
Seeing this, the same phrase flashes through the editor's mind again: "A desperate attempt, starting from a state of complete unpreparedness."
Why did I think it would work? Of course, it was impossible!!!
Standing in front of a man exuding a terrifying aura, I fully understood how Baki must have felt back then.
Itagaki-sensei's expression had completely changed—now he definitely wouldn't say "okay." But still... I thought:
"But I want to read this!!! I want to see Retsu!!!"
So I'm starting.
As a last resort.
I'm starting without official permission!!!

 

[NikHelton]

It chinese, not jp. My friend send me origin of this image and translation aswell. After all it was only chief's thoughts and Itagaki at that time wasn't saying yes or no. ANY Baki media admitts that Isekai is the part of Baki series
海王の異世界転生漫画を連載するために、板垣恵介先生のご許可を頂きたく都内某所にある仕事場を訪ねた担当編集。「先生、烈海王を異世界転生させてもよろしいでしょうか?」「仕方ない。いいぞ。」そんな会話を夢見ていた時期が僕にもありました。馬刃牙の無謀なる挑戦。範馬勇次郎との親子喧嘩が描かれたバキシリーズ第3部「範馬刃牙」にて、板垣先生自ら打った名アオリ「発動きだす絶望の見切り発車!!!」。四画書を読む板垣先生。明らかに曇っていくその表情を見て、その「絶望の見切り発車」というフレーズが担当編集の頭を駆け巡る。なんでイケると思ってたのか、ムリにきまってんじゃん!!! 巨凶なオーラを出す先生を前に、あの頃の刃牙の気持ちがよくわかった。いには「いいぞ」とは絶対に言わないであろう表情に変化し終えた先生に対し、思ってしまったのは「でも読みたい!!! 烈に会いたい!!!」だから始める。最終手段。非公認のまま始めます!!!!

In order to obtain permission to publish the manga about rebirth in another world, Kao Retsu (烈海王), the editor-in-chief went to Mr. Itagaki's workplace, located somewhere in Tokyo.
"Mr. Itagaki, can we reincarnate Kaoru in another world?"
"There's nothing we can do about it. All right, I give my permission."
There were times when I dreamed of this dialogue.
Baki Hanma's reckless challenge. In the third part of the Baki series, titled "Hanma Baki," which depicts a father-son quarrel with Yujiro Hanma, Mr. Itagaki himself wrote the famous slogan: "The launch of despair, beginning with complete unpreparedness!!!"
Itagaki-sensei reads the manuscript. His expression becomes increasingly gloomy.
Seeing this, the same phrase flashes through the editor's mind again: "A desperate attempt, starting from a state of complete unpreparedness."
Why did I think it would work? Of course, it was impossible!!!
Standing in front of a man exuding a terrifying aura, I fully understood how Baki must have felt back then.
Itagaki-sensei's expression had completely changed—now he definitely wouldn't say "okay." But still... I thought:
"But I want to read this!!! I want to see Retsu!!!"
So I'm starting.
As a last resort.
I'm starting without official permission!!!

So, it's no canon?

 

[Armorchompy]

ANY Baki media admitts that Isekai is the part of Baki series

"Part of the series" does not mean it's canon. I don't think anyone is denying that the Dragon Ball anime or games (or the movie...) are part of the Dragon Ball series.

 

[Mikazzzuchi]

"Part of the series" does not mean it's canon. I don't think anyone is denying that the Dragon Ball anime or games (or the movie...) are part of the Dragon Ball series.

Baki is the brand itself, like Baki Daima is the official product and had merch, but SERIES means spin-offs(literally "side-story") and few parts of original series. Baki Daima being a satire manga isn't part of the series while Isekai is

 

[Huesito88]

"Part of the series" does not mean it's canon. I don't think anyone is denying that the Dragon Ball anime or games (or the movie...) are part of the Dragon Ball series.

Like that Yamcha reincarnated series?

 

[Armorchompy]

Baki is the brand itself, like Baki Daima is the official product and had merch, but SERIES means spin-offs(literally "side-story") and few parts of original series. Baki Daima being a satire manga isn't part of the series while Isekai is

That's a very specific interpretation of wording that isn't even spelled out anywhere, I was just responding to that post (which brought no evidence to substantiate that specific claim). If you'd like to argue this point I would ask for actual evidence of this being the case.

But honestly no, not really. A "series" is a pretty vague concept and can even refer to things that don't have an existing canon, like documentaries, or can be strict enough to exclude any kinds of spin-offs (it definitely doesn't MEAN spin-offs that's for sure) which would instead be considered secondary media/expanded universe regardless of canonicity.

Look at it this way, a term like "the Star Wars series" includes all SW media, including non-canon stuff, or it just involves the movies and nothing else, there's no easy way to draw a line in the middle ground.