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Jesus Christ, don't, there's gonna be a proper CRT for the goddang Downgrade that will also include the I.M.P and Cherubs scaling to the feat
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Hellaverse: Some Upgrades and Downgrades
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madness.
I'd lean in favor of "at most 7-A" for Alastor's shadows, the gorilla example provided earlier isn't a very good one because the difference in energy needed to cross tiers at such a gap is very low, you probably could harm a gorilla with 10-A focused on a small enough area (such as with a normal claw hammer). Real world examples tend to be bad. Here, however, the tier is large enough that "slightly harming" is probably fine to (massively) downscale.
Believe I'm fine with the rest of this? All of it looks straightforward enough.
If only there were a user to harp on your errors and mistakes down your career here so diligently as you might do to others.
I'm not intimately familiar with the feat in question, but even a very short distance from the epicenter of an explosion massively reduces how much durability one must have to tank it. At a meter range the result may be something like 1/16th of the energy. I don't know where Sir Pentious was in relation to the blast, but general assumptions may knock it considerably lower if no distance was explicitly shown.
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1. Adam was completely unharmed by Alastor's attacks, but "At most 7A" seems more fair since Adam does flinch at some points
2. what's the difference between "At least 7A" and "7A, likely far higher"? they both mean "more than 7A"
3. Blitzo and Loona have never used the Grimoire for anything other than crossing between dimensions, they have explicitly shown inability to use the Grimoire to this extent, and as of season 2, they don't even have it anymore. So I disagree with making Blitzo and Loona High 7A
this is why physics is cringe
but I believe Pentious was displayed right at the very center, as he was manning his ship in the blimp-looking part (since it's not a blimp, those are just windows for some reason)
like he couldn't have been more than a foot away from the very center at most
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So the issue with this (didn't know it was that scene) is that "the whole ship" is not the center of the explosion. The explosion detonates in some particular cubic centimeter of that space, it has a point at which it originates. Nothing seems to indicate Pentious was at that specific point exactly, since the camera pans out and we don't see what's going on in the ship at that time.
So no, he definitely can be more than a foot away from the very center at least.
So no, he definitely can be more than a foot away from the very center at least.
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Regarding 2, I don't think there is much of a difference? Likely higher comes with the inherent "we speculate this reaches a new tier" but they both mean higher, sure.
See, I'm not familiar with the show and I think Point 3 is a great point if true. So I'd agree with you in being against that, even though this is Environmental Destruction rather than AP.
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the thing is, Lucifer isn't "at least 7-a" he is exactly 7-A physically since his punches weren't able to go through Adam's skin which is a big anti feat for "AT LEAST 7-A"
I'd say "7-A physically, likely far higher"
likely far higher referring to his powers not physicals
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Since I have 2 staff votes, I'll add the accepted stuff to the profiles, though just give me some instructions on what to do for the 8-B+ crap
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edit: i've added everything except for the Alastor 7-A stuff because we need 2 staff to agree.
@FinePoint, @Mr. Bambu already agreed to Alastor being "at most 7-A", so what do we do now since 2 staff disagree on this?
@FinePoint, @Mr. Bambu already agreed to Alastor being "at most 7-A", so what do we do now since 2 staff disagree on this?
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Shouldn't Al (and all those who scale above pentious like the overlords like Vox) upscale into At least 8-A (Baseline Multi-city block aka 100 tons of TNT) due to being far superior to the casual feat?
Might as well get into the antictics of that while we're here, you know
Might as well get into the antictics of that while we're here, you know
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Jesus Christ
(Not to mention the Calc was supposed to be just "Possibly" and the fact I have a sandbox for the downgrade that includes feat that needs to be evaluated)
there was supposed to be a proper CRT to be made for the 8-B+ Calc that would also scale to the I.M.P and Cherubs but ig SOMEONE couldn't wait till we got all the calcs evaluated
(Not to mention the Calc was supposed to be just "Possibly" and the fact I have a sandbox for the downgrade that includes feat that needs to be evaluated)
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for goodness sake I just helped speed up the job. If said CRT gets accepted you can still add that crap gee Wizz it's not that big of a deal
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I also already apologized for and reverted the two hasty changes we made in the last thread, so I would appreciate if people stopped harping on it as if there was some great damage caused. I only even made that 8-B+ calc as a courtesy to help out because I thought we didn't have a comparable replacement feat, so it's been personally pretty hurtful to have multiple people bash me for trying to apply it.
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he's talking about ME not you
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Well I believe we both made edits, unless I'm mistaken.
Regardless, I would appreciate if the Hellaverse supporters in general were far more polite and not so quick to make hurtful accusations.
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yeah. I agree.
Also about the Alastor thing. @Mr. Bambu agreed to Alastor being at most 7-A, and u didn't agree at all, so do I have to get a 3rd staff as the deciding factor or not?
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Normally Bambu and I end up agreeing in the end, but I do feel particularly strongly about this not being a valid reason to scale.
So, yes- I believe you'll need to get more staff input about that.
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There's a reason I stopped after the first time guys, I might be a ******** but it was resolved over a week ago
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And that's why I expect that sort of thing from you, so it hurt a lot less the first time.
I do wish you were a nicer person, but I also appreciate your dedication and the amount of work you do.
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@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless are u coming?
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His punches were easily drawing blood and giving Adam black eyes
"At least 7A" means you stomp a character who's 7A, which is exactly what Lucifer did. He clearly wasn't serious in any capacity, and yet he still beat Adam to a pulp
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He definitely was serious. And his punches didn't go deep into Adam's flesh. At least 7-A would mean his punches went through Adam's flesh, which they clearly didn't
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@Mr. Bambu @FinePoint can I add "likely far higher WITH MAGIC" to Lucifer's profile to give better explanation?
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He toyed with Adam in his first appearance and still held back even after he got pissed when Adam tried targeting Charlie. He was very clearly shown to be superior to Adam, even though he ONLY used physicals that entire fight
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Since WHEN was he holding back? He def held back at the start, but when he was in rage mode he was not holding back.
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nvm already added "with Magic" so it would be less confusing
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Where exactly does the far higher reasoning come from? The angel creation feats?
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i'd think so
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angel magic is stronger than demon magic vivzie said so here:
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I might be deaf, but I didn't hear her talk about magic specifically, just that Lucifer is "probably more powerful."
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Uh... Tugia? "At least" means that there's a massive amount of upscaling involved. One-shot is just something I use as a metric because if I didn't, Warcraft scaling here would be more of a mess.
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My understanding is also that "At Least" implies they're actually far stronger than the feat in question and we just don't have literal proof of it.
Though I think their best feat being done extremely casually can be enough, especially if there's narrative reason to believe they're probably far higher.
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so in that case we would have to remove the "far higher" thingy since Lucifer doesn't scale to it physically
Edit: she said angels have dominion over demons so it's safe to say that Lucifer is "likely far higher with Magic"
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At least would be this scenario:
A character kills another character by one-shotting them and ignoring their durability by non-dura neg means
Lucifer on the other hand, punched Adam and his fists didn't go through. And for those of you saying "He WaSn'T sErIoUs" he totally was. He was straight up enraged yet the best he could do was give Adam some bruising
For it to be at least, he would have had to pierce Adam's flesh, which he CLEARLY didn't. Angelic weapons can, so THEY should scale to that level.
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exactly, that's the point
His punches only bruised Adam's which isn't enough upscaling
For him to upscale, he would have had to go through Adam's flesh
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There doesn't need to be a shower of blood and gore to stomp someone, Adam literally couldn't harm Lucifer and Lucifer beat his ass within an inch of his life lmfao
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He was using his full strength and didn't pierce his flesh. Sure he's stronger, but I wouldn't go out and say he's straight up above 7-A
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Do you know what a punch is? Blunt force trauma. Unless you're in a verse like Baki or One Piece, generally punching someone doesn't rip their jaw off or some shit.
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that's the point. He shouldn't be "At least" because of that.
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I guess punching someone hard enough blood comes out isn't "At least" to you, then...
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so bullies are "At least 10-B"
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