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Hellaverse: Some Upgrades and Downgrades

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Alastor
Alastor was able to harm Adam with his Shadow, with Adam scaling to 7-A, so Alastor should be upgraded to "At least Low 7-C, possibly higher, 7-A with his shadow"

Update: Everything but this part has been added, the following reason is shown below:

Support: @Mr. Bambu
Against: @FinePoint
Lucifer
Lucifer's punches are currently accepted as "At least 7-A" upscaling Adam's durability, yet he was unable to pierce Adam's skin, and given that Durability=AP, Lucifer should be downgraded to simply "7-A physically, likely far higher"

Edit: Since the magic statement was debunked, he should just only be 7-A
Blitzo & Loona
A while back, a CRT I made for upscaling Stolas' Environmental Destruction was approved, and I was able to upgrade Stolas to "At least Low 7-C, possibly higher, High 7-A Environmental Destruction with his Grimoire" yet Blitzo and Loona have Stolas's Grimoire in their standard equipment section, so they should be upgraded to High 7-A Environmental Destruction as well
Vox (and the rest of the verse)
Currently, Vox is at "At least Low 7-C, possibly 7-C in Full Demon Mode" due to this calc, yet the feat was rejected, so Vox should get downgraded to simply "At least Low 7-C, possibly higher"
Update: My Vox downgrade was approved and I have successfully downgraded the guy, so we don't need worry anymore.
Edit: My Vox downgrade got removed since I want to do a much larger revision AKA this thread which will cover that. Also covered by this thread will be downgrading the physicals of most of the verse to 8-B+ due to this calc which was accepted.
 
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I don't really buy that Alastor harmed Adam there, just that he was slightly surprised he got any hit in at all.

Especially since in-context Alastor cannot canonically harm an angel without using angelic weapons.
 
FinePoint said:
I don't really buy that Alastor harmed Adam there, just that he was slightly surprised he got any hit in at all.
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Is this why he screams “AH!”, growling, goes back and then strokes his chin? He’s not exactly a philosopher type of character.
FinePoint said:
Especially since in-context Alastor cannot canonically harm an angel without using angelic weapons.
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There’s a reason Invulnerability is removed. Also, Exorcists literally bleed when they fly into his shield.
 
FinePoint said:
I don't really buy that Alastor harmed Adam there, just that he was slightly surprised he got any hit in at all.

Especially since in-context Alastor cannot canonically harm an angel without using angelic weapons.
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You realized I got Invulnerability nuked because Vivzie can't keep her verse facts straight for more than 2 minutes, yeah? It's 'At most 7-A' with Shadows for my vote anyways.
 
DaReaperMan said:
You realized I got Invulnerability nuked because Vivzie can't keep her verse facts straight for more than 2 minutes, yeah? It's 'At most 7-A' with Shadows for my vote anyways.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Is this why he screams “AH!”, growling, goes back and then strokes his chin? He’s not exactly a philosopher type of character.

There’s a reason Invulnerability is removed. Also, Exorcists literally bleed when they fly into his shield.
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Whether due to invulnerability or not, it's clear that Adam extremely outclasses him. I don't know if I'd take that single noise as proof Alastor can remotely scale to him.
 
FinePoint said:
Whether due to invulnerability or not, it's clear that Adam extremely outclasses him. I don't know if I'd take that single noise as proof Alastor can remotely scale to him.
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He doesn't, not physically, and it's At Most scaling with Shadows keeping in mind Adam one-shots Alastor no matter how you cut it.
 
FinePoint said:
Whether due to invulnerability or not, it's clear that Adam extremely outclasses him. I don't know if I'd take that single noise as proof Alastor can remotely scale to him.
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Honestly, Imo it's due to the verse scaling being less consistent than a gamer's sleeping schedule.
 
FinePoint said:
Whether due to invulnerability or not, it's clear that General of Exorcists extremely outclasses him. I don't know if I'd take that single noise as proof Alastor can remotely scale to him.
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You may be completely outclasses by a gorilla physically but you may still have a hammer to give him a slap, and speed with enough agility and skill to fight him properly.

Oh, wait, that’s basically what their entire battle was.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
You may be completely outclasses by a gorilla physically but you may still have a hammer to give him a slap, and speed with enough agility and skill to fight him properly. Oh, wait, that’s what their entire battle was.
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If you're arguing my AP should scale in any way to a gorilla's, I definitely disagree with you.
 
FinePoint said:
I don't think causing the slightest amount of pain once is valid reason to scale, my apologies, but I don't think I will change my opinion on that.
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He genuinely stroke his chin after that, which already shows that it’s not “slightest” amount of pain, it’s decent enough to downscale.

Also:


But you do you, I guess. Me out.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Every single character who isn't either an Imp or 7-A.
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I feel like that doesn't even make sense, but alright.

If I unlock the thread could you make a complete list?
 
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Mickey1940 said:
he was shown on screen that he can't
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Cuz Adam is stronger, yeah. No one's questioning the gap. But they would have an idea of his strength.

Vaggie was literally in his team, Charlie has similar level of powers and knowledable about angel powers etc etc.

Possibly 7-A isn't really bad imo.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Cuz Adam is stronger, yeah. No one's questioning the gap. But they would have an idea of his strength.

Vaggie was literally in his team, Charlie has similar level of powers and knowledable about angel powers etc etc.

Possibly 7-A isn't really bad imo.
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Adam has never had an excuse to use his full power considering every resident of Hell besides Lucifer and maybe Charlie are in the 7Cs at best and he's never fought either of those 2 until the final battle since they're both exempt from Extermination. Vaggie never saw him fight to such an extent, and Charlie never met Adam at all until the events of Hazbin Hotel

Not to mention, their "idea of his strength" was blatantly proven wrong on screen
 
Mickey1940 said:
Adam has never had an excuse to use his full power considering every resident of Hell besides Lucifer and maybe Charlie are in the 7Cs at best and he's never fought either of those 2 until the final battle. Vaggie never saw him fight to such an extent, and Charlie never met Adam at all until the events of Hazbin Hotel
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His durability don't change though, no?
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Not to mention, their "idea of his strength" was blatantly proven wrong on screen
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Charlie expecting Adam to be weaker than herself 🗿

No one claims he's Adam level. Just being able to somewhat tiny miny damage.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Inverse Square Law. Pentious didn't eat the entire explosion he ate a fraction of it.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but Inverse Square Law basically means the closer you are to an energy source, the more intense the energy is?

wasn't Sir Pentious at the very center of the explosion

so wouldn't he just have needed to tank it all
 
Mickey1940 said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but Inverse Square Law basically means the closer you are to an energy source, the more intense the energy is?

wasn't Sir Pentious at the very center of the explosion

so wouldn't he just have needed to tank it all
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sigh, listen even if Pentious tanking a Low 7-C blast was 100% legit(it ain't), it's still a titanic outlier because Blitz can throw sinners out windows and shit, and THAT GUY who was crippled by a High 8-C blast most ******* assuredly is NOT Low 7-C
 
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