Onigashima, Flower Capital and the Bajrang Gun

[Nami_Kami]

Currently Onigashima is calculated to be 57 KM in diameter, with the another landmark of Wano Country; the Flower Capital, being calculated to be 404 KM across from it, and Luffy's attack the Bajrang Gun being calculated to be 89 KM in diameter based on comparison to Onigashima as well. These values are all not only heavily inconsistent, but also outright contradicted by other information from the manga.

Onigashima: Narratively Onigashima is objectively less than 1 or 6 kilometers big, since it sank into Old Wano. We see that light penetrates down there in chapter 1055, which means it's not at deep sea level. Light doesn't penetrate below 1 kilometer depth, and in One Piece this is seen where at a depth of 6 kilometers the characters were in pitch blackness.

For Onigashima to sink into this body of water, naturally it's smaller than it as well.

The Skull Dome of Onigashima only has several floors in it shown consistently in multiple maps, which'd make no sense if the height of the Skull Dome is 18.5 KM as the current calculation states.

Based on it's structure and repeated views of the interior, we can tell that it shouldn't be as big as proposed.

Onigashima is also consistently shown to be nowhere near as big as this calculation would suggest in various wide-shots of the island. So there is no consistency to this calculation whatsoever.

The Skull Horn also doesn't dwarf a building. This would contradict the current value for the Horn of the skull to be 3.8KM in diameter.

The current calculation also uses outdated information, which is Hatcha's height being 67.80 meters. However he was retconned to being 36.75 meters tall.

The Flower Capital: This place is CONSISTENTLY shown to be just a small town with several city blocks on it, and it's buildings are always depicted as normal-sized. The most noticeable landmark of the Flower Capital is Orochi's castle which we can see in comparison to multiple ordinary buildings and yet also see it from afar thus this place is nowhere near 404 KM in diameter, and it's still larger than Onigashima.

Luffy's Bajrang Gun is not only narratively smaller than Onigashima according to Yamato, but it's also seen not fully dwarfing Kaido, whose head is only a bit larger than a normal-sized person consistently. Luffy's main body. Is also not fully dwarfed by his own Bajrang Gun, even tho Luffy was no longer in his giant form at that time. This goes against the current calculation of the fist's diameter being 89KM.

Given all of this the current calculation for Onigashima should be removed, as well as the calculations for the Bajrang Gun and the Flower Capital.

Edit: As pointed out in the thread, the photic and aphotic zones are mentioned, with it being directly stated that at a 3000 feet depth ( 0.9km ) there isn't much light, similar to how at Old Wano there was dim light as noted by Robin. Even before they reach a depth of 6 kilometers, we see that the waters start to get pitch black below them, which is also directly mentioned by Usopp as well.

Beyond that we see that Fuga, who is 37 meters tall, reaches and damages the seiling when he runs inside the floors of Onigashima. The current calculation would require these floors to each be over a kilometer tall, if not more for them to work.

Edit: I've crossed-out the 1 kilometer value to focus on information from the manga itself. It's possible that light in the show goes below 1KM depth, given how at a 0.9KM depth the characters can still see without much difficulty, although it's still dimmer to them, where as IRL it's quite a bit darker at such depth. With that I believe it's better to focus on the limit given to us by the manga, with a 6KM depth being pitch-black.

Agree: Damage3245, Therefir, TheRustyOne

Neutral: Dalesean027

Disagree: CloverDragon03

 

[Damage3245]

I've seen several of the arguments for this before, and had similar thoughts on the contradictions of Onigashima's current size especially in light of recent information. All in all, I currently agree with the calc's removal.

 

[KingTempest]

So where's the new calc for Onigashima then?

 

[Nami_Kami]

A new calculation isn't necessary to justify the removal of another calculation. This thread's topic is the removal of the flawed calculation. When that has been established then we can look into the possibility of a new calc.

 

[KingTempest]

You're effectively nuking a large part of the scaling. We need substitutions. You can't just drop a thread saying "this is wrong, get rid of this, this, this, and this" and not say what the next results will be.

 

[Damage3245]

You're effectively nuking a large part of the scaling. We need substitutions. You can't just drop a thread saying "this is wrong, get rid of this, this, this, and this" and not say what the next results will be.

What would happen to the profiles next would be covered by a follow-up CRT; it's not the sole burden of the person pointing out the flaws to have to come up with a complete replacement. And it wouldn't be the worst thing if a few calcs ended up being removed from the scaling or the profiles. There are still other calcs, other feats and other scaling.

 

[KingTempest]

lmfao

 

[Naeblis495]

That's some Ace attorney game logic : You point out how your client is innocent but if you can't find the real culprit, then it's worthless ,lmao.

Op don't have to do the new calcs himself.

 

[KingTempest]

Anyways we need yall

@Dalesean027 @TheRustyOne @SunDaGamer

 

[That_moron2]

Currently Onigashima is calculated to be 57 KM in diameter, with the another landmark of Wano Country; the Flower Capital, being calculated to be 404 KM across from it, and Luffy's attack the Bajrang Gun being calculated to be 89 KM in diameter based on comparison to Onigashima as well. These values are all not only heavily inconsistent, but also outright contradicted by other information from the manga.

Onigashima: Narratively Onigashima is objectively less than 1 or 6 kilometers big, since it sank into Old Wano. We see that light penetrates down there in chapter 1055, which means it's not at deep sea level. Light doesn't penetrate below 1 kilometer depth, and in One Piece this is seen where at a depth of 6 kilometers the characters were in pitch blackness.

For Onigashima to sink into this body of water, naturally it's smaller than it as well.

The Skull Dome of Onigashima only has several floors in it shown consistently in multiple maps, which'd make no sense if the height of the Skull Dome is 18.5 KM as the current calculation states.

Based on it's structure and repeated views of the interior, we can tell that it shouldn't be as big as proposed.

Onigashima is also consistently shown to be nowhere near as big as this calculation would suggest in various wide-shots of the island. So there is no consistency to this calculation whatsoever.

The Skull Horn also doesn't dwarf a building. This would contradict the current value for the Horn of the skull to be 3.8KM in diameter.

The current calculation also uses outdated information, which is Hatcha's height being 67.80 meters. However he was retconned to being 36.75 meters tall.

The Flower Capital: This place is CONSISTENTLY shown to be just a small town with several city blocks on it, and it's buildings are always depicted as normal-sized. The most noticeable landmark of the Flower Capital is Orochi's castle which we can see in comparison to multiple ordinary buildings and yet also see it from afar thus this place is nowhere near 404 KM in diameter, and it's still larger than Onigashima.

Luffy's Bajrang Gun is not only narratively smaller than Onigashima according to Yamato, but it's also seen not fully dwarfing Kaido, whose head is only a bit larger than a normal-sized person consistently. Luffy's main body. Is also not fully dwarfed by his own Bajrang Gun, even tho Luffy was no longer in his giant form at that time. This goes against the current calculation of the fist's diameter being 89KM.

Given all of this the current calculation for Onigashima should be removed, as well as the calculations for the Bajrang Gun and the Flower Capital.

Vonkey is back

 

[Damage3245]

Vonkey is back

Avoid derailing the thread, please.

 

[Kachon123]

Onigashima: Narratively Onigashima is objectively less than 1 or 6 kilometers big, since it sank into Old Wano. We see that light penetrates down there in chapter 1055, which means it's not at deep sea level. Light doesn't penetrate below 1 kilometer depth, and in One Piece this is seen where at a depth of 6 kilometers the characters were in pitch blackness.

For Onigashima to sink into this body of water, naturally it's smaller than it as well.

I find it a little weird how you left out the fact that Old Wano so far down that you could fit at least 3 New Wano's diameter-wise before you reach the buildings. So unless you want to claim that mainland Wano is less than 2 kilometers across, the level of light peering down a plot inconsistency for the sake of Robin and Law being able to see the old country. This being something you considered noteworthy enough to include in the OP is odd.

The Skull Dome of Onigashima only has several floors in it shown consistently in multiple maps, which'd make no sense if the height of the Skull Dome is 18.5 KM as the current calculation states.

Based on it's structure and repeated views of the interior, we can tell that it shouldn't be as big as proposed.

I could do the same thing you did and pick and choose shots that support my claim. You're also failing to account for the fact that the floors in Onigashima are separated into dozens of different rooms. Just because a person is within a single floor, that doesn't mean that the ceiling you see is the top of said floor.

Onigashima is also consistently shown to be nowhere near as big as this calculation would suggest in various wide-shots of the island. So there is no consistency to this calculation whatsoever.

The Skull Horn also doesn't dwarf a building. This would contradict the current value for the Horn of the skull to be 3.8KM in diameter.

All that you're proving in these scans is that Oda depicts Onigashima differently depending on who is on screen. It's very clear that Onigashima is meant to be depicted as a supermassive island as in the shots drawn to depict its size we see several structures dwarfing the Thousand Sunny and other relative ships. Even insignificant shelters make the Sunny look like a toy.

Side note: Saying that Yamato can be heard from the top of Dome while Kaidou was on the rooftop means nothing when Masira and Mont Blac Cricket could hear Luffy ringing the Golden Bell all the way from Skypiea. Suspension of disbelief is a thing.

 

[KingTempest]

Actually hell no

Onigashima is factually huge as hell.
These are 60 meter ships docked in the middle of the entrance alone. The entrance alone is already dwarving the ships, pushing heights up to a couple hundred meters and this is just the entrance, which is miniscule compared to the rest of the island.
The taller numbers who are easily taller than the likes of the Sunny even when sitting down are capable of running through a single hallway while standing up, and that's just a layer of the multi layered floors that reside there. Each floor is like its own small town, and large creatures roaming like nothing happened says it all.
Momonosuke as a dragon could fly through individual floors. The huge behind dragon who is the same size as Kaidou.
I wish you would tell me Kaidou was small.
Onigashima is ginormous.

Your evidence isn't saying Onigashima is less than 1km in height. It's saying Wano in itself is less than 1 km in height. And that alone is ridiculous.
The Queen Mama Chanter clears ships larger than the Sunny by dozens to hundreds of times even when further back via perspective, and it's still ridiculously huge.
Yet it's still a portion of the height of the waterfall which you're saying is less than a km deep.

And what?
You said them being that deep is proof of the 1 km figure?
That isn't because it's so deep that there's no light. It's because they fell into a cave.
They exited the cave and went even deeper to the 10km depth of sea and there was still light shining. In fact it was shinier than ever
Larger than 5km sea kings exist down there and they still got a bunch of light shining there. So idk what you're trying to argue with this light point.
There are literally RAYS OF LIGHT beaming at the bottom of the seafloor from the sun. And even with that, there are plants that reach the sea floor, that need SUNLIGHT to grow. This is the moment you stepped out the cave too so it's not cause of some damn light distance

On top of that, old wano ≠ the ocean. It reaches that much into the ocean, but old wano is clear rainwater above sea level. Big difference

If you wanna say the flower capital isn't that big then that's a different discussion.
Onigashima is huge.

 

[Kachon123]

This brother really tried to use Big Mom to say Onigashima is small as if in that shot Big Mom wasn't drawn to be the same size of the same mountains that were as tall as Zunesha.

 

[KingTempest]

This brother really tried to use Big Mom to say Onigashima is small as if in that shot Big Mom wasn't drawn to be the same size of the same mountains that were as tall as Zunesha.

We literally have a thread about characters not being the best comparisons to giant landmarks or characters because they're wildly inconsistent

 

[KingTempest]

Dude even if the crack in the middle of Onigashima's entrance was a few hundreds of meters apart we'd still reach sizes in the quintuple digits if not pushing it.

This is just... wrong

 

[Damage3245]

Thank you for the responses so far. I'll go through them carefully and give my thoughts on them as soon as I can.

I don't think your last link is working KT.

 

[KingTempest]

Fixed

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

“This is like Trump and Vance vs Harris and Waltz” ~ Deceived

 

[Damage3245]

“This is like Trump and Vance vs Harris and Waltz” ~ Deceived

I notice that he doesn't say which is which.

But in all seriousness please don't derail. I'm hoping to keep the thread manageable and focused.

 

[Nami_Kami]

I find it a little weird how you left out the fact that Old Wano so far down that you could fit at least 3 New Wano's diameter-wise before you reach the buildings. So unless you want to claim that mainland Wano is less than 2 kilometers across, the level of light peering down a plot inconsistency for the sake of Robin and Law being able to see the old country. This being something you considered noteworthy enough to include in the OP is odd.

The story requires the body of water to have a depth of less than 1 or 6 kilometers. Both the cover image AND the story suggest that light reaches down there, as well as other visuals we have of it. The map you brought up is symbolic, and is not suggested to be to scale. The sunlight is not just noteworthy, it's something way more reliable than calculations, since it uses direct implications from the narrative, as opposed to pixel-scaling a chain of panels, which is often subject to massive inconsistency and error, especially in verses like this.

I could do the same thing you did and pick and choose shots that support my claim.

These scans for the Gate don't do anything, since the Gate that's a considerable portion of the building still doesn't appear large enough to be consistent with a 3.8KM Horn. And in fact, here are some more scans on my end to establish a bigger consistency on my end.

Your scan for the Floor height also does not change anything, since each Floor must be over a kilometer tall for the calculation to hold up, and this is not reflected on your scans, nor the manga. In fact, Fega who is only 37 meters tall, scratches the seiling when he runs. So the narrative directly suggests Onigashima's floors aren't that tall, which is consistent with the overwhelming amount of scans I have already provided.

It's very clear that Onigashima is meant to be depicted as a supermassive island as in the shots drawn to depict its size we see several structures dwarfing the Thousand Sunny and other relative ships. Even insignificant shelters make the Sunny look like a toy.

You've nitpicked the 2 instances where it appears huge, ignoring both narrative evidence AND an overwhelming amount of visual evidence showing it to be smaller than you want to make it out to be.

You're also failing to account for the fact that the floors in Onigashima are separated into dozens of different rooms. Just because a person is within a single floor, that doesn't mean that the ceiling you see is the top of said floor.

All you've shown is that in each or some floors in Onigashima there is a mezzanine, which is merely a partual floor located between two floors, something common in multiple-story buildings and seen in just about any apartment complex. A 7 story apartment complex won't suddenly be a 14 story apartment complex just because there is a mezzaine between floors. Even in the maps it's shown AND SAID that these mezzaines are located in the MIDDLE of the floors, and simply lead to the upper floors.

 

[Damage3245]

These are 60 meter ships docked in the middle of the entrance alone. The entrance alone is already dwarving the ships, pushing heights up to a couple hundred meters and this is just the entrance, which is miniscule compared to the rest of the island.

There are inconsistent visuals of the entrance unfortunately. If we go by that shot, or the other one where the Thousand Sunny is docking then the railings of those bridges appear to be dozens of meters tall. Yet we also have multiple shots where the railings are more comparable to the characters themselves. It could simply be that it is the Thousand Sunny that is drawn inaccurately here.

The taller numbers who are easily taller than the likes of the Sunny even when sitting down are capable of running through a single hallway while standing up, and that's just a layer of the multi layered floors that reside there. Each floor is like its own small town, and large creatures roaming like nothing happened says it all.

In the scan you used for Inbi's height, he doesn't necessarily appear to be much bigger than the Sunny; he's appears just a bit closer to our PoV making him seem larger by comparison. Moreover we get plenty of shots of Inbi and other comparable Numbers to confirm that while they are huge, they are not so huge as that.

More importantly, for that scene of Inbi running through the second basement floor, we also get an earlier scene of Fuga running through the same basement floor and scraping his horns against the ceiling of it. (Also shown in Episode 1058 of the anime) Fuga is confirmed to be 37 meters tall so we could round up the height of the basement floor to be 40 meters high.

This lines up with the fact that while Inbi does run through the basement floor as you said, his posture isn't exactly standing up straight and when we see him stationary later his legs are bent - suggesting that while his full height may be greater than 40 meters it isn't by much.

Even if we were to say for the sake of the argument that each level of the Skull Dome's floors was 100 meters high to accomodate even the theoretically tallest Number without any issues (which is generous considering what I've shown above) if we multiply that the number of main floors above the armoury then we get 700 meters for the main castle area. Add on another 10 meters for in between each floor for the hollow attic spaces between each floor and that's an extra 60 meters for a total of 760 meters.

A height of roughly three-quarters of a kilometer for the main bulk of the Skull Dome's height (and this is the generous version) sounds a lot more supportive of the OP's argument than the current calculation which puts the height of the Skull Dome at around 18.5 kilometers.

Momonosuke as a dragon could fly through individual floors. The huge behind dragon who is the same size as Kaidou.
I wish you would tell me Kaidou was small.
Onigashima is ginormous.

Momonosuke is much thinner than the Numbers are tall, so this doesn't add anything extra to the issue with him being able to fit easily within each individual floor like so.

The OP has also provided numerous examples of Momonosuke and Kaidou not being exceptionally large in the majority of panels whereas you have provided one counter-example for Kaidou.

Your evidence isn't saying Onigashima is less than 1km in height. It's saying Wano in itself is less than 1 km in height. And that alone is ridiculous.
The Queen Mama Chanter clears ships larger than the Sunny by dozens to hundreds of times even when further back via perspective, and it's still ridiculously huge.
Yet it's still a portion of the height of the waterfall which you're saying is less than a km deep.

The OP presented a range of height from 1 km to 6 km; either end of which would contradict the currently accepted calculation. What would you say is a more reasonable figure for Wano's height?

The Queen Mama Chanter is indeed a large ship, but that visual alone doesn't refute the narrative evidence for the depth of Wano's sea. There are multiple scans showing that the waterfalls of Wano are not exceptional large. They could easily be less than 6 kilometers in height; based on all visuals that is far more likely than being dozens or hundreds of kilometers tall.

And what?
You said them being that deep is proof of the 1 km figure?
That isn't because it's so deep that there's no light. It's because they fell into a cave.
They exited the cave and went even deeper to the 10km depth of sea and there was still light shining. In fact it was shinier than ever
Larger than 5km sea kings exist down there and they still got a bunch of light shining there. So idk what you're trying to argue with this light point.
There are literally RAYS OF LIGHT beaming at the bottom of the seafloor from the sun. And even with that, there are plants that reach the sea floor, that need SUNLIGHT to grow. This is the moment you stepped out the cave too so it's not cause of some damn light distance

This is where I must disagree with you completely. The area you're highlighting as having rays of light is unique in all the ocean thanks to the roots of the Sunlight Tree Eve that specifically carries light down to that depth underwater. That's why even in your own scan Brook questions why it is so bright down there; it is clearly not a usual phenomen.

The deep ocean is described as a world untouched by light; it's clearly not meant to just be some cave but the fact that all of the ocean is that dark that far down.

On top of that, old wano ≠ the ocean. It reaches that much into the ocean, but old wano is clear rainwater above sea level. Big difference

I agree on this point; old Wano's sea level is higher than that but everything else remains. The change in sea level outside of Wano means it's only an extra 200 meters on top of the height of the waterfall.

EDIT: Actually, I see what you mean here about it being rainwater vs. sea water, but how big of a difference would that make scientifically speaking?

 

[KingTempest]

There are inconsistent visuals of the entrance unfortunately. If we go by that shot, or the other one where the Thousand Sunny is docking then the railings of those bridges appear to be dozens of meters tall. Yet we also have multiple shots where the railings are more comparable to the characters themselves. It could simply be that it is the Thousand Sunny that is drawn inaccurately here.

So this comes to a point of "context clues" and "obvious interpretation"
If this is the case, then you'd end up having the sunny and other ships to be a few meters tall.
Like in the thread I linked, it showcases how large structures and characters are shrunken down so that the primary focus, the people, can be showcased.
The focus in your panel is the people. That's why we zoom in on specific people and such.
The focus in my panel is Onigashima.
Unless the focus was supposed to be Onigashima in your panels, which they all consistently aren't, then the point is moot, and you keep doing this and it's annoying.
You cannot use small characters to discount large sizes unless it's like... plot relevant. And this isn't. Onigashima is meant to be huge and you're trying to say it's not.
The OP had a scan comparing Linlin to the island. We're gonna say that's valid?
Like come on.

In the scan you used for Inbi's height, he doesn't necessarily appear to be much bigger than the Sunny; he's appears just a bit closer to our PoV making him seem larger by comparison.

Inbi squatting down to where his butt is almost reaching the ground is rivaling the height of the Victoria Punk (which is the same distance away in the POV), which is decently taller than the Sunny.
We can both calculate it, since we both can calc. We'd both get Inbi taller than the Sunny.

Moreover we get plenty of shots of Inbi and other comparable Numbers to confirm that while they are huge, they are not so huge as that.

Damage, I understand that you usually do consider scans like this to be valid when measuring height of objects (not throwing jabs just stating the truth, you have a track record of doing so), but we have standards now.
The numbers are known for being comparable to Ancient Giants in size, which are several times the sizes of the average giant, each average giant around 20 meters tall.
You pull a scan that shows, again, a small character in focus, to compare it to the giants. Your scan would have them around 15 meters tall. So now even you are going against the stated sizes. Your point below is much better because at least you're arguing with a specific creature with a stated size, but this is just... bad.

More importantly, for that scene of Inbi running through the second basement floor, we also get an earlier scene of Fuga running through the same basement floor and scraping his horns against the ceiling of it. (Also shown in Episode 1058 of the anime) Fuga is confirmed to be 37 meters tall so we could round up the height of the basement floor to be 40 meters high.

This lines up with the fact that while Inbi does run through the basement floor as you said, his posture isn't exactly standing up straight and when we see him stationary later his legs are bent - suggesting that while his full height may be greater than 40 meters it isn't by much.

This is badly inconsistent.
Fuga isn't that much taller standing up that sitting down but Inbi is astronomically taller since he has proportions similar to the long-limbed tribe and he ends up towering over Fuga while seated. Inbi sitting down is probably as tall as Fuga standing up. So even if he's partially stood, he's still taller than Fuga.
So Inbi not breaking the same ceiling that Fuga did just shows that Fuga isn't a good consistent variable to measure the height of the floor.

Even if we were to say for the sake of the argument that each level of the Skull Dome's floors was 100 meters high to accomodate even the theoretically tallest Number without any issues (which is generous considering what I've shown above) if we multiply that the number of main floors above the armoury then we get 700 meters for the main castle area. Add on another 10 meters for in between each floor for the hollow attic spaces between each floor and that's an extra 60 meters for a total of 760 meters.

A height of roughly three-quarters of a kilometer for the main bulk of the Skull Dome's height (and this is the generous version) sounds a lot more supportive of the OP's argument than the current calculation which puts the height of the Skull Dome at around 18.5 kilometers.

There is a mountain range surrounding the skull dome.
This is literally the only rebuttal I need.
A mountain range with mountains far above that height directly contradicts everything you just said.
Unless you wanna say that Onigashima got some fun sized mountains, which wouldn't be the case since... they couldn't get around through the mountain ranges.

Momonosuke is much thinner than the Numbers are tall, so this doesn't add anything extra to the issue with him being able to fit easily within each individual floor like so.

Yet his length is astronomical.

The OP has also provided numerous examples of Momonosuke and Kaidou not being exceptionally large in the majority of panels whereas you have provided one counter-example for Kaidou.

The OP wasn't there for this, which you were there for, where Kaidou and Momonosuke are comparable to the island in a sense.
Like you know these arguments, why you're acting as if you don't know them is beyond me.

The OP presented a range of height from 1 km to 6 km; either end of which would contradict the currently accepted calculation. What would you say is a more reasonable figure for Wano's height?

Neither, because both of those figures are contradicted in the series in itself and in the scan he sent itself.
The OP picked and chose the portions he wanted to find. His link says that 200 meters is the depth that most light is gone. Shown by the diagram there too.
In the One Piece world, the height of the sea level was increased by 200 meters. So islands sunk completely. And with this logic, it would be damn near vantablack pushing those distances.
This is clearly not the case here. These are the 200m deep lands. Far away from the Sunlight Tree Eve in fact because we've seen Fishman Island where the tree is rooted and these kingdoms are nowhere to be here, yet sunlight clearly reaches and it's BEAMING.

Damage the OP cannot utilize "light can reach" as a way to discount a size of a landscape. The Sea Kings are 5km long and some of em are as long as they are wide. I don't think we need to sit here and say the sea kings can't see underwater. You know better than to accept arguments of this caliber.
Like real world logic fails in fiction. This is like saying someone can't move at the SOL because irl it don't work. OP it's specifically cause of the areas and such.
A 10km deep manmade ocean won't have the same issues as the actual ocean.

You telling me that Wano is 1-6 kilometers TALL is pretty much the same thing as saying that Onigashima is a few dozens of meters in diameter.
Like you literally fail to understand the implications being brought about from that and it's aggravating that you can say something like a kilometer wide continent with a straight face and you have the gall to ask me "what is more reasonable" as if they both aren't just absolutely outlandish.
"What is more reasonable, a 2m tall Mount Fuji or a 10m tall Mount Fuji". This is how you sound.

Let's do a calc.
Onigashima Walls: 154 px
Onigashima Base Width: 13 px

If Wano's walls are 1km tall, then Onigashima is 84.415 meters wide.
If Wano's walls are 6km tall, then Onigashima is 506.493 meters wide.
There's a difference between playing devil's advocate and just being flat out being dishonest. This is dishonesty of the highest caliber.

Onigashima has a mountain range on it. Our wiki average mountain alone would be taller than the height of the entire island if you guys had your way, yet it's clear that that clearly isn't the case.
Onigashima is not small. If you disagree with the current calc, that's perfectly fine. Nobody cares if you disagree with it, and that isn't even being rude, it's the truth, anybody can disagree.
The only thing that people care about are the solutions to calculate it.
This is not a valid solution at all. it's just BAD.

The Queen Mama Chanter is indeed a large ship, but that visual alone doesn't refute the narrative evidence for the depth of Wano's sea. There are multiple scans showing that the waterfalls of Wano are not exceptional large. They could easily be less than 6 kilometers in height; based on all visuals that is far more likely than being dozens or hundreds of kilometers tall.

The Queen Mama Chanter being an astronomical ship in itself and it's still that much smaller than that says it all.

Unless you wanna tell me the Queen Mama Chanter is the size of Onigashima.

This is where I must disagree with you completely. The area you're highlighting as having rays of light is unique in all the ocean thanks to the roots of the Sunlight Tree Eve that specifically carries light down to that depth underwater. That's why even in your own scan Brook questions why it is so bright down there; it is clearly not a usual phenomen.

The deep ocean is described as a world untouched by light; it's clearly not meant to just be some cave but the fact that all of the ocean is that dark that far down.

The point I was making was that the depth there is not limited due to light but because it is flat out enclosed. The light from the Sunlight Tree Eve didn't reach the cave although it was right next to it.

I agree on this point; old Wano's sea level is higher than that but everything else remains. The change in sea level outside of Wano means it's only an extra 200 meters on top of the height of the waterfall.

EDIT: Actually, I see what you mean here about it being rainwater vs. sea water, but how big of a difference would that make scientifically speaking?

A large one. And it's not because of the types of water, it's because of the bodies of water.

Onigashima is huge. One Piece islands are huge. Acting like they're fun sized will never make logical sense to me.
I know this is a CGM thread and my vote doesn't matter here, but I disagree with this violently. Like nothing mentioned in here so far will make me agree in this thread.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Narratively Onigashima is objectively less than 1 or 6 kilometers big, since it sank into Old Wano. We see that light penetrates down there in chapter 1055, which means it's not at deep sea level. Light doesn't penetrate below 1 kilometer depth, and in One Piece this is seen where at a depth of 6 kilometers the characters were in pitch blackness.

This is a weak argument imo. The whole point of the panel was showcasing clearly that Onigashima is currently sinking underneath Wano and Oda wouldn't put it in pitch darkness in that case for storytelling's sake. Also I doubt he was even thinking about the relation between depth and light when making the panel.

Onigashima is factually huge as hell.
These are 60 meter ships docked in the middle of the entrance alone. The entrance alone is already dwarving the ships, pushing heights up to a couple hundred meters and this is just the entrance, which is miniscule compared to the rest of the island.

This is cool and all but this wouldn't be any different than a port in a city. For reference even the smallest cargo ships (130m) are more than double the size of these ships and the larger container ships (400m) would dwarf them yet they still dock within ports and aren't visible from satellite views of the city. And cities generally don't reach anywhere near 56km.

You telling me that Wano is 1-6 kilometers TALL is pretty much the same thing as saying that Onigashima is a few dozens of meters in diameter.
Like you literally fail to understand the implications being brought about from that and it's aggravating that you can say something like a kilometer wide continent with a straight face and you have the gall to ask me "what is more reasonable" as if they both aren't just absolutely outlandish.
"What is more reasonable, a 2m tall Mount Fuji or a 10m tall Mount Fuji". This is how you sound.

Let's do a calc.
Onigashima Walls: 154 px
Onigashima Base Width: 13 px

If Wano's walls are 1km tall, then Onigashima is 84.415 meters wide.
If Wano's walls are 6km tall, then Onigashima is 506.493 meters wide.
There's a difference between playing devil's advocate and just being flat out being dishonest. This is dishonesty of the highest caliber.

This image is definitely not meant to be to scale. We already have many shots contradicting it and we literally see buildings being absurdly larger than normal in the drawing (The buildings would have the same size as Onigashima), it's just an illustration with no scale. And if we assume that it's to scale then that means by the current accepted sizes that a ship has to climb hundreds of kilometers to reach Wano which clearly isn't the case.

We already have a panel of Onigashima right next to the walls of Wano and the difference in size between Onigashima and the walls isn't that big. (Edit:As Damage pointed out this is Udon Prison not Wano)

Onigashima has a mountain range on it. Our wiki average mountain alone would be taller than the height of the entire island if you guys had your way, yet it's clear that that clearly isn't the case.

The minimum size for something to be considered a mountain is 609.6m. If we use that as our reference then Onigashima would be 2489.2m in diameter (Although I personally don't think it's that small, the argument that Onigashima contains mountains doesn't disprove what they are saying)

The Queen Mama Chanter being an astronomical ship in itself and it's still that much smaller than that says it all.

Scaling the waterfall's height directly from the Queen Mama Chanter places it at 4877.65m

 

[Damage3245]

We already have a panel of Onigashima right next to the walls of Wano and the difference in size between Onigashima and the walls isn't that big.

I'm currently working on my big response to KT but just wanted to interject to say that is not the walls of Wano there; that's the Udon prison structure.

 

[Damage3245]

So this comes to a point of "context clues" and "obvious interpretation"
If this is the case, then you'd end up having the sunny and other ships to be a few meters tall.
Like in the thread I linked, it showcases how large structures and characters are shrunken down so that the primary focus, the people, can be showcased.
The focus in your panel is the people. That's why we zoom in on specific people and such.
The focus in my panel is Onigashima.
Unless the focus was supposed to be Onigashima in your panels, which they all consistently aren't, then the point is moot, and you keep doing this and it's annoying.
You cannot use small characters to discount large sizes unless it's like... plot relevant. And this isn't. Onigashima is meant to be huge and you're trying to say it's not.
The OP had a scan comparing Linlin to the island. We're gonna say that's valid?
Like come on.

What is an "obvious interpretation" to one person is not necessarily going to be the same for another person. I'm not arguing in favor of the Thousand Sunny and other ships being a few meters tall; what I am suggesting is that they are not necessarily drawn accurately. There are many visuals throughout the arc to take into consideration, not just the ones that just show the Thousand Sunny. Sure - I'm not going to claim that every single one is equally valid, but it seems like you're starting off from the position that Onigashima is inherently supermassive so anything that could contradict that shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Inbi squatting down to where his butt is almost reaching the ground is rivaling the height of the Victoria Punk (which is the same distance away in the POV), which is decently taller than the Sunny.
We can both calculate it, since we both can calc. We'd both get Inbi taller than the Sunny.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what height you could calculate for Inbi; as I explained up above when I covered what the situation would be like if we assumed the floors of the Skull Dome were a hundred meters high to account for that. It still will not be tall enough to justify the current calculation for Onigashima.

How big do you think the floors actually are?

Damage, I understand that you usually do consider scans like this to be valid when measuring height of objects (not throwing jabs just stating the truth, you have a track record of doing so), but we have standards now.
The numbers are known for being comparable to Ancient Giants in size, which are several times the sizes of the average giant, each average giant around 20 meters tall.
You pull a scan that shows, again, a small character in focus, to compare it to the giants. Your scan would have them around 15 meters tall. So now even you are going against the stated sizes. Your point below is much better because at least you're arguing with a specific creature with a stated size, but this is just... bad.

The two of the Numbers that have confirmed height are Fuga at 37.15 meters tall and Hatcha at 36.75 meters tall.

Rokki is of comparable size to Fuga, and Kunyun appears quite small by the standards of Ancient Giants.

So while they may be "comparable to Ancient Giants", a good number of them are not "several times the size of average giants".

I didn't argue for a specific size for Zanki (I don't think you could get one from that panel by comparing him to say Guernica because he is further in the background) but the point is that he isn't drawn to be exceptionally big in a way that would support your argument for your calculation.

This is badly inconsistent.
Fuga isn't that much taller standing up that sitting down but Inbi is astronomically taller since he has proportions similar to the long-limbed tribe and he ends up towering over Fuga while seated. Inbi sitting down is probably as tall as Fuga standing up. So even if he's partially stood, he's still taller than Fuga.
So Inbi not breathing the same ceiling that Fuga did just shows that Fuga isn't a good consistent variable to measure the height of the floor.

I don't think that Inbi has the proportions of the Long-Limbed Tribes. He doesn't have the long double-jointed arms of the Long-Arm Tribe nor do his legs appears disproportionaly large. (It's just that a lot of One Piece characters tend to have disproportionately small legs so it's odd to see someone like him with normal porportions).

Fuga is further in the background on that panel compared to Inbi from the viewer. If you are picturing them being exactly side by side, then I can see how you would think that Inbi is far taller than Fuga but that's not the case.

And I didn't say that Inbi was smaller than Fuga was just because he's not breaking the ceiling; it's just that he clearly isn't standing up to his full height; when we do see him standing his legs are bent, lowering his height.

There is a mountain range surrounding the skull dome.
This is literally the only rebuttal I need.
A mountain range with mountains far above that height directly contradicts everything you just said.
Unless you wanna say that Onigashima got some fun sized mountains, which wouldn't be the case since... they couldn't get around through the mountain ranges.

A mountain range of unknown size. One Piece characters have referred to a raised area 200 meters high as a "mountain".

Yet his length is astronomical.

How long is that?

The OP wasn't there for this, which you were there for, where Kaidou and Momonosuke are comparable to the island in a sense.
Like you know these arguments, why you're acting as if you don't know them is beyond me.

Kaidou and Momonosuke being comparable to the island doesn't necessarily suggest that they are astronomically huge as it does suggest that the island may be smaller than what has been calculated. We have multiple indepenent shots of Kaidou and Momonosuke without Onigashima and the vast majority of them tell us that they are not hundreds of meters thick or tens of kilometers long.

Neither, because both of those figures are contradicted in the series in itself and in the scan he sent itself.
The OP picked and chose the portions he wanted to find. His link says that 200 meters is the depth that most light is gone. Shown by the diagram there too.
In the One Piece world, the height of the sea level was increased by 200 meters. So islands sunk completely. And with this logic, it would be damn near vantablack pushing those distances.
This is clearly not the case here. These are the 200m deep lands. Far away from the Sunlight Tree Eve in fact because we've seen Fishman Island where the tree is rooted and these kingdoms are nowhere to be here, yet sunlight clearly reaches and it's BEAMING.

That scan doesn't show the seafloor there so all of that which is pictured would be less than 200 meters below the surface so it's not that big of an issue, and much of it is still heavily shaded anyway.

But I just want to note that this issue with the light isn't something the OP is just inventing here; it is commented in the series itself, chapter 604, that the photic and aphotic zones of the sea exist, and that while there is still light present 3000 feet or roughly a kilometer below the surface, it is noticeably dimmer to the characters. This is consistent with Nico Robin being able to see "dim light" underwater in Wano's seas when she and Law take a peek at ancient Wano.

With it getting extremely dark and hard to see 20,000 feet or roughly 6 kilometers underwater.

Damage the OP cannot utilize "light can reach" as a way to discount a size of a landscape. The Sea Kings are 5km long and some of em are as long as they are wide. I don't think we need to sit here and say the sea kings can't see underwater. You know better than to accept arguments of this caliber.
Like real world logic fails in fiction. This is like saying someone can't move at the SOL because irl it don't work. OP it's specifically cause of the areas and such.
A 10km deep manmade ocean won't have the same issues as the actual ocean.

Pardon me, but this seems like a bit of a Strawman Argument to me. The OP is not claiming that Sea King's cannot see underwater; we don't know how their senses work and presumably their super-huge eyes can capture a lot more light than a typical human. How the Sea Kings deal with deep underwater areas isn't an important concern.

I don't think that this is an issue of trying to insert IRL logic into the series because the series itself during Fish-Man Island has been very consistent about this as I pointed out above and further down this post.

You telling me that Wano is 1-6 kilometers TALL is pretty much the same thing as saying that Onigashima is a few dozens of meters in diameter.
Like you literally fail to understand the implications being brought about from that and it's aggravating that you can say something like a kilometer wide continent with a straight face and you have the gall to ask me "what is more reasonable" as if they both aren't just absolutely outlandish.
"What is more reasonable, a 2m tall Mount Fuji or a 10m tall Mount Fuji". This is how you sound.

Let's do a calc.
Onigashima Walls: 154 px
Onigashima Base Width: 13 px

If Wano's walls are 1km tall, then Onigashima is 84.415 meters wide.
If Wano's walls are 6km tall, then Onigashima is 506.493 meters wide.
There's a difference between playing devil's advocate and just being flat out being dishonest. This is dishonesty of the highest caliber.

Onigashima has a mountain range on it. Our wiki average mountain alone would be taller than the height of the entire island if you guys had your way, yet it's clear that that clearly isn't the case.
Onigashima is not small. If you disagree with the current calc, that's perfectly fine. Nobody cares if you disagree with it, and that isn't even being rude, it's the truth, anybody can disagree.
The only thing that people care about are the solutions to calculate it.
This is not a valid solution at all. it's just BAD.

As YmTheSuper pointed out, that is a map that is not suggested to be to scale in any way. If we went by the assumption that everything there was perfectly proportional then based on your calc for Onigashima the buildings of Wano would be around 60 kilometers tall, and the walls of Wano would be around 700 kilometers tall. You point out how absurd I sound for saying something you consider to be analogous to "2 meter tall Mt. Fuji"... Do I need to point out the contradictions of Wano's waterfall being 700 kilometers tall?

And your point about "average mountain level" isn't relevant; nothing suggests that the mountains of Onigashima are what we assume the "average" height of a mountain to be. It's like you're trying to argue that our conclusion is wrong because of an assumption you've made about their size.

The Queen Mama Chanter being an astronomical ship in itself and it's still that much smaller than that says it all.

Unless you wanna tell me the Queen Mama Chanter is the size of Onigashima.

YmTheSuper covered this point up above. The Queen Mama Chanter's size does not support Wano's waterfalls being as large as the current calculation would suggest.

The point I was making was that the depth there is not limited due to light but because it is flat out enclosed. The light from the Sunlight Tree Eve didn't reach the cave although it was right next to it.

I believe you may be misunderstanding it. They didn't fall into an enclosed cave system; their plan was to head for the continental wall below the Red Line so that they would get sucked down into a current that would bring them closer to the sea floor which they were able to find. In this diagram here you can see that there is no cave; the current would just bring them to the sea floor.

Furthermore, Usopp comments on how pitch-black it is before they even go down there. Without being "enclosed" in any way they can see how it gets darker.

The current does indeed suck them down and it brings them down to level 20,000 feet underwater which is why it is so dark. They say nothing about being in a cave. They're at the seabed.

The reason why the light from Sunlight Tree Eve isn't hitting them anywhere here, is because after descending to a level of 25,000 feet, they then go into a specific trench to fall a further 5000 feet to reach the level where Fish-Man Island is at.

And your original point here:

They exited the cave and went even deeper to the 10km depth of sea and there was still light shining. In fact it was shinier than ever
Larger than 5km sea kings exist down there and they still got a bunch of light shining there. So idk what you're trying to argue with this light point.
There are literally RAYS OF LIGHT beaming at the bottom of the seafloor from the sun. And even with that, there are plants that reach the sea floor, that need SUNLIGHT to grow. This is the moment you stepped out the cave too so it's not cause of some damn light distance

Wasn't just about them being enclosed. You were talking about their being beaming rays of light from the Sun at the bottom of the seafloor - which I pointed out wasn't an issue due to Sunlight Tree Eve. Hence the areas further up, back at 20,000 feet deep, were in darkness just because they weren't within range of Sunlight Tree Eve's light. They started off far away from the trench where Fish-Man Island is remember, and had to go there after an underwater volcanic eruption they were fleeing from.

A large one. And it's not because of the types of water, it's because of the bodies of water.

I don't understand your comment here? Could you explain how it makes a large difference?

Onigashima is huge. One Piece islands are huge. Acting like they're fun sized will never make logical sense to me.
I know this is a CGM thread and my vote doesn't matter here, but I disagree with this violently. Like nothing mentioned in here so far will make me agree in this thread.

I agree Onigashima is huge. I don't agree that the current calculation is suitable for it. If nothing on the thread makes you agree with it then fair enough, but I still feel quite confident in removing it.

 

[Damage3245]

It's possible that the discussion here could continue for a while, but I would appreciate it if other Calc Group Members could cast their eye on this as it is an important thread for the verse. Even if it may be too early to cast a vote, KT or I could possibly answer any queries you have. @TheRustyOne @Therefir @Dalesean027 @Psychomaster35 @Migue79 @SunDaGamer

 

[CloverDragon03]

Y'all gotta stop with these bad faith threads man (yes, I stand by this being bad faith on the part of multiple people, my mind's not exactly changing on that front)

Disagree with the OP for KingTempest's reasons

 

[Damage3245]

Y'all gotta stop with these bad faith threads man (yes, I stand by this being bad faith on the part of multiple people, my mind's not exactly changing on that front)

Disagree with the OP for KingTempest's reasons

Which reasons specifically? What part of the OP's arguments do you think is wrong?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Which reasons specifically? What part of the OP's arguments do you think is wrong?

Actually hell no

Onigashima is factually huge as hell.
These are 60 meter ships docked in the middle of the entrance alone. The entrance alone is already dwarving the ships, pushing heights up to a couple hundred meters and this is just the entrance, which is miniscule compared to the rest of the island.
The taller numbers who are easily taller than the likes of the Sunny even when sitting down are capable of running through a single hallway while standing up, and that's just a layer of the multi layered floors that reside there. Each floor is like its own small town, and large creatures roaming like nothing happened says it all.
Momonosuke as a dragon could fly through individual floors. The huge behind dragon who is the same size as Kaidou.
I wish you would tell me Kaidou was small.
Onigashima is ginormous.

Your evidence isn't saying Onigashima is less than 1km in height. It's saying Wano in itself is less than 1 km in height. And that alone is ridiculous.
The Queen Mama Chanter clears ships larger than the Sunny by dozens to hundreds of times even when further back via perspective, and it's still ridiculously huge.
Yet it's still a portion of the height of the waterfall which you're saying is less than a km deep.

And what?
You said them being that deep is proof of the 1 km figure?
That isn't because it's so deep that there's no light. It's because they fell into a cave.
They exited the cave and went even deeper to the 10km depth of sea and there was still light shining. In fact it was shinier than ever
Larger than 5km sea kings exist down there and they still got a bunch of light shining there. So idk what you're trying to argue with this light point.
There are literally RAYS OF LIGHT beaming at the bottom of the seafloor from the sun. And even with that, there are plants that reach the sea floor, that need SUNLIGHT to grow. This is the moment you stepped out the cave too so it's not cause of some damn light distance

On top of that, old wano ≠ the ocean. It reaches that much into the ocean, but old wano is clear rainwater above sea level. Big difference

If you wanna say the flower capital isn't that big then that's a different discussion.
Onigashima is huge.

Dude even if the crack in the middle of Onigashima's entrance was a few hundreds of meters apart we'd still reach sizes in the quintuple digits if not pushing it.

This is just... wrong

This stuff should do it really, I'm not exactly convinced by any rebuttals here. There's a lot of cherrypicking necessary evils to display things as points against a larger size, and I think you should know from previous discussions like with MHA that this is a massive no for me. Like, I think Onigashima is in fact, that huge.

 

[Damage3245]

This stuff should do it really, I'm not exactly convinced by any rebuttals here. There's a lot of cherrypicking necessary evils to display things as points against a larger size, and I think you should know from previous discussions like with MHA that this is a massive no for me. Like, I think Onigashima is in fact, that huge.

If we're going to go into the topic of cherrypicking, what makes you believe that the scans for the currently accepted calculation haven't been cherrypicked? If you believe that Onigashima is in fact that huge, then shouldn't there be supporting evidence that could corroborate and verify that result? Shouldn't evidence that exists that could contradict that result be examined?

Why doesn't the rebuttals to KT's argument about the light underwater convince you? The OP and I have given numerous scans contradicting KT on that topic.

Does the height of the floors inside the Skull Dome have no relevance to you? There's no contradiction in your mind between the exterior of Kaidou's castle being over 18 kilometers tall and the interior being less than kilometer?

 

[KingTempest]

If we're going to go into the topic of cherrypicking, what makes you believe that the scans for the currently accepted calculation haven't been cherrypicked? If you believe that Onigashima is in fact that huge, then shouldn't there be supporting evidence that could corroborate and verify that result? Shouldn't evidence that exists that could contradict that result be examined?

Why doesn't the rebuttals to KT's argument about the light underwater convince you? The OP and I have given numerous scans contradicting KT on that topic.

Does the height of the floors inside the Skull Dome have no relevance to you? There's no contradiction in your mind between the exterior of Kaidou's castle being over 18 kilometers tall and the interior being less than kilometer?

The fact that the OP's argument is pretty much saying that the entire multi-country of Wano is under a kilometer in diameter and you have the absolute gall to sit here and act as if that isn't a crazy take is exactly why I didn't even respond to the previous argument because it is absolutely ridiculous.

Onigashima's points are valid to an extent but everything else isn't

 

[Damage3245]

The fact that the OP's argument is pretty much saying that the entire multi-country of Wano is under a kilometer in diameter and you have the absolute gall to sit here and act as if that isn't a crazy take is exactly why I didn't even respond to the previous argument because it is absolutely ridiculous.

Onigashima's points are valid to an extent but everything else isn't

Do you mean the Flower Capital's points are valid to an extent?

And if you actually read my previous argument you would see that neither the OP nor I is arguing that the country of Wano itself is under a kilometer in diameter. Like... There is literally nowhere we have said; you'd be putting words in our mouths. We explained that the side-profile view of Wano has no reason to be assumed to be to scale and there are multiple contradictions to that being assumed to be the case.

 

[KingTempest]

Do you mean the Flower Capital's points are valid to an extent?

And if you actually read my previous argument you would see that neither the OP nor I is arguing that the country of Wano itself is under a kilometer in diameter. Like... There is literally nowhere we have said; you'd be putting words in our mouths. We explained that the side-profile view of Wano has no reason to be assumed to be to scale and there are multiple contradictions to that being assumed to be the case.

Damage.

The OP said that the light reaching the bottom of the mini ocean made by the rain water is LESS THAN A KILOMETER in depth because light can reach the bottom.
That depth is MUCH LARGER than THE WIDTH OF WANO. Then it says that Onigashima is damn near THE SIZE OF THE SUNNY.

That was my ENTIRE POINT.

You are saying THAT WANO IS TINY.

"If you actually read my previous argument" IF YOU LOOKED AT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE OP you would notice the consequence by using "light and water" as an argument to size.

 

[CloverDragon03]

If we're going to go into the topic of cherrypicking, what makes you believe that the scans for the currently accepted calculation haven't been cherrypicked? If you believe that Onigashima is in fact that huge, then shouldn't there be supporting evidence that could corroborate and verify that result? Shouldn't evidence that exists that could contradict that result be examined?

Why doesn't the rebuttals to KT's argument about the light underwater convince you? The OP and I have given numerous scans contradicting KT on that topic.

Does the height of the floors inside the Skull Dome have no relevance to you? There's no contradiction in your mind between the exterior of Kaidou's castle being over 18 kilometers tall and the interior being less than kilometer?

Your approach is fundamentally different from mine, because what I'm using comes from a clearer narrative intent given that the size calculation is the result of a stated size (Oars and the Numbers being 67 meters tall), whereas you expect everything drawn in a visual medium to be completely consistent which is a losing battle and then taking any inconsistencies as a sign to go as low as humanly possible. If you want to play the semantics game, every scan is "cherrypicked" to an extent, but I'd rather take something that comes from a stated size. Something stated signifies narrative intent more than anything else.

 

[Damage3245]

Your approach is fundamentally different from mine, because what I'm using comes from a clearer narrative intent given that the size calculation is the result of a stated size (Oars and the Numbers being 67 meters tall), whereas you expect everything drawn in a visual medium to be completely consistent which is a losing battle and then taking any inconsistencies as a sign to go as low as humanly possible. If you want to play the semantics game, every scan is "cherrypicked" to an extent, but I'd rather take something that comes from a stated size. Something stated signifies narrative intent more than anything else.

None of the Numbers have been stated to be 67 meters tall yet. The only two we actually have confirmed size values for are less than 40 meters.

 

[CloverDragon03]

None of the Numbers have been stated to be 67 meters tall yet. The only two we actually have confirmed size values for are less than 40 meters.

The ones being as tall as Oars and can fit through the gate? Okay

 

[KingTempest]

None of the Numbers have been stated to be 67 meters tall yet. The only two we actually have confirmed size values for are less than 40 meters.

"Yet" they were stated in the vivre cards and they just abruptly got changed very recently. They used to be 66.8 meters tall.
The Numbers were stated to be as tall as Oars so the vivre cards gave them that size. It just recently got changed for some reason, but the tallest numbers should still be similar heights to him

 

[CloverDragon03]

Also even in the worst case if we were to use the newer lower size, that still is in direct contention with so many of the OP's points that result in Wano being comically small

 

[KingTempest]

Also even in the worst case if we were to use the newer lower size, that still is in direct contention with so many of the OP's points that result in Wano being comically small

It still keeps Wano at ~30km, which still slaps this